Pakistan Floods: India Increases aid to $25million

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People in pakistan itself are not donating then why blame india for not giving relief material..The thing is countries got fed up with pakistan asking for donation every 2-3 months for natural calamities but where these money end up ultimately anyone can guess.And after wikileaks episode countries have become more suspicious of pakistan.Think about it same pakistan which creates money out of thin air to buy shiny weapons and to buy Mercedes for govt ministers dont have money for natural disaster relief.And thats the only reason worlds top two economies USA and china gave only the token money of $10 million and $1.3 millions respectively.coz they two know well where this money gonna end up except for the relief of the poor people.So suspicious are the people of pakistan are that they themselves are not make donations.

People not donating for relief work like the past


Survivors bitter due to inadequate govt response

Wednesday, August 04, 2010
Syed Bukhar Shah

PESHAWAR: Although activists of various political parties have established relief camps on almost all main roads to collect donations, many volunteers there noticed a cold-shoulder response to their calls this time as compared to the response they got for the assistance to the internally displaced persons (IDPs) due to military operations and the survivors of the 2005 earthquake in Hazara.

"Lack of confidence!" was the quick response of one of the activists at a relief camp in Peshawar Saddar. "We have lost public confidence and now most people don't like to donate to a relief organisation but try to help the victims on their own," he added.

A Pakhtun woman, who had been watching devastating floods and miseries of survivors on TV channels in Saudi Arabia, told The News that she had sent some money and requested her parents to distribute it among the deserving instead of handing it to someone else. She was not happy with her previous experiences with some "welfare" bodies.

Influential people in various areas have accommodated many affected families in their respective places and providing them two-time meals while the residents in some areas including Taru Jabba, Pashtun Garhi, Camp Koroona, Toru Mayar in Mardan have made announcements on loudspeakers asking people to donate for the flood affected people.

"We have been taking bread, water and food for the affectees of Nowshera and fodder for their cattle," said Hashim Khan from Toru village in Mardan. He said almost every household contributed according to their resources.

"We also asked people to provide clean drinking water bottles and we distribute it among the survivors now living on certain main roads," he said, adding that arranging fodder for cattle was difficult but the locals have taken this responsibility also.

Hashim Khan asked who would be held accountable for the death of several people who lost their lives due to non-availability of food and water in Pir Sabak in Nowshera where the government failed to arrange meals for them.

"The real death toll and destruction by floods will be known later," said Hakim Khan, adding that the entire village Zadai near Chamkani had been washed away, including a family comprising 30 members. Only two bodies of the ill-fated family had been recovered so far, he said.

He said villagers were providing meals to the affected people on self-help basis by cooking rice near the main roads and later supplying it to the affected people. Hakim Khan said almost all the mud houses in Taru Jabba, Ali Baig, Banda Sheikh Ismail, Banda Mulla Khan, Kodai, Tarkha, Khush Muqam, Fazal Koroona, Camp Koroona, Jabba Khushk, and all of Zakhai had been destroyed. He said that villagers could not live in the partially damaged houses, as they fear the structures may collapse anytime. The flood victims everywhere were criticising the government as well as political and religious parties for their inability to assist them in time. "We know that nobody could extend perfect assistance in such calamities but the government could lessen the scale of destruction by giving timely warning about floods," said an emotional volunteer Iqbal. "Now we do not find a place to bury bodies," he remarked.

The once thickly populated areas on both sides of the G T Road are now presenting a deserted look. "There is mud everywhere. But the situation can be improved through joint efforts," said a doctor who suggested to the government, NGOs and philanthropists to mobilise the public and undertake humanitarian work instead of indulging in blame game.
 

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I didn't quote that extract to blame India for the flood. I am sorry if my words caused any misunderstanding.


Typical crap from Indian!

First, internation news channel is nothing special, news reported by media has never been absolutely objective. Reading news from Xinhua is no different from reading news from AP.

Second, i do read news on Yahoo, Times of India, Rediff everyday. So you are no better informed than me, stop acting you are superior to us.

Third, there are websites blocked in China. But most main-stream news channels are available, for example, AP, AFP, BBC, Time, NYT. So get your fact straight before spouting those everything-is-banned-in-China crap.
In China, some websites and channels are banned. In India, nothing is banned! That is the difference!

In China, you see some. In India, we see all!

Check this:

China amongst worst predators to freedom

Its more lasting impact may lie in the global exposure it has given to the Chinese government's complex system of censorship – an ever-shifting hodgepodge of restrictions on what information users can access, which Web tools they can use and what ideas they can post.

Censorship in China is unpredictable in part because it employs an array of tools — combining cutting-edge filtering algorithms and software that detects taboo keywords with the blunt instruments of the government's old propaganda machine. It takes place at different levels, involving government agencies and the private sector.

Charles Zhang, the often outspoken chief executive of Sohu.com Inc, told a forum in Beijing that plans to create global Chinese media giants were doomed to fail if the government did not relax controls.

"Chinese newspapers and television stations completely lack meaningful competition, and have no independent personality ... so they have no authority or respect," Zhang said, according to a transcript of the speech posted on the company's website.
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I could indicate many more links but what is the universal truth need not be elaborated upon.
 

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What kind of thread title is this? are you guyz playing politics even in this disastrous incident?
have some fear of god peoples, rather than showing sympthy towards the peoples or helping them as a human being you are talking about China offered 1.48 million dollars?

Please change the title, UK offered 10 million dollars, some other countries too donated some money. Why countering china only? please change it to Floods in Pakistan or something like that
Zaki,
Last time as i remember correctly india did offer the Choppers but mushy's politics he wanted the choppers minus the crew........Now tell me who plays politics......
 

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LoC Ajar

Musharraf says every Kashmiri can go to the other side
Ostensible reason: to unite the families, not to obstruct those wanting to help in relief efforts
Real reason: to blunt the criticism for turning down India's help offer
Advantage: deny India diplomatic points

Anger Against The Army


It rushed to fortify border defences instead of helping civilians in villages and towns
Delay in rescue efforts cost many lives
Not bothered about Kashmiris, so rejected India's offer of aid. Story may have been different if Punjabis were affected.
Breakdown of law and order leading to chaos, widespread looting
Goodwill Militants

All militant groups in PoK hit by the quake
2,000-3,000 have died, their assets and camps devastated
Yet, within hours of the quake, they came out with relief. At many places before the army.
More disciplined and honest than state aid workers. Base will widen.

Islamabad has itself to blame for the chaos in these parts, for the flak it has received for its poor response to the quake. It should have accepted India's offer of assistance in rescue operations, instead of getting swayed by imaginary sensitivities.
Critical of the government's poor response to the quake, the media was dismayed that in such circumstances India's offer should have been turned down.
 

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The question is not about india offering aid but indian aid becomes H&D and pride issue for pakistanis where they dont to be seen taking anything from india in relief or aid but Entitlement from india is Ok.as we saw in IPL saga.
 

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Well, my point here is Pakistan government's issuing a statement that blames India should not stop India from helping people who are suffering there. Assistance should be extended to the flood victims. That is genuine humanity, isn't it?

Your argument that there is absolutely no need for providing assistance to those who hate you only shows you are narrow-minded.

But what is the reason for issuing this statement care to explain? What is the justification for this statement? Until any justification can be given for that there is no need for giving any aid to those who want to initiate anti India propaganda on every occasion

PS: Isn't government represent it's people?
 
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What kind of thread title is this? are you guyz playing politics even in this disastrous incident?
have some fear of god peoples, rather than showing sympthy towards the peoples or helping them as a human being you are talking about China offered 1.48 million dollars?

Please change the title, UK offered 10 million dollars, some other countries too donated some money. Why countering china only? please change it to Floods in Pakistan or something like that
Politics has been in this thread from the very first post where your authorities have started anti India propaganda as usual. Hence don't play the victim game here
 

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Family in flood-hit Pakistan scrambles for survival

PASTUN GARI, Pakistan (Reuters) - As the driving rains bore down on northwest Pakistan last week, Mohammad Yaseen told his wife not to worry, that it was just a summer storm and there might be a little flooding, nothing unusual.


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Zaki,
Last time as i remember correctly india did offer the Choppers but mushy's politics he wanted the choppers minus the crew........Now tell me who plays politics......
I wasn't asking support from the indian government. I was asking moral support and condolences. We are busy in collecting donations and helping them by our own resources so your kind words and prayers are enough that we need at the moment
or you can also donate as a human being using any international charity organisation just like i do for other nations regardless of arguing about who is living inside that particular country or who will be served.

Thanks for changing the title

@ post 81
some idiot Journalists need masala news to gain some publicity even at this disasterous moment. My whole city is busy collecting donation and sending necassary food and equipments and this guy saying peoples are not donating. I have heard similar news from other cities as well. May be he did not donate himself so wrote this crap article
 
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Come to reality. We all know that prayers wouldn`t help the victims.So what if the GOI is ready to provide direct help to the sufferers. Not all but many lives then could have been saved. Now this is no condition that they want only choppers and not the pilots. Indian pilots will not attack them as that they are putting these conditions.
 

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Sats China as offered roughly INR 7 crores. That is peanuts. Considering that China is pakistans all weather friend. Looks like they are not monsoon friends.. Just when the sun is shining. Gujarat had given Bihar 6 crores for flood relief, the same thing that created a lot of media hype recently.
You can be sure that Pakistanis will find a way to blame their own government for this paltry aid.

Or may be they will say that China wants to see Pakistan as self reliant. They just can see no wrong with China.
 

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I wasn't asking support from the indian government. I was asking moral support and condolences. We are busy in collecting donations and helping them by our own resources so your kind words and prayers are enough that we need at the moment
or you can also donate as a human being using any international charity organisation just like i do for other nations regardless of arguing about who is living inside that particular country or who will be served.

Thanks for changing the title

@ post 81
some idiot Journalists need masala news to gain some publicity even at this disasterous moment. My whole city is busy collecting donation and sending necassary food and equipments and this guy saying peoples are not donating. I have heard similar news from other cities as well. May be he did not donate himself so wrote this crap article
Oh no even the moral support and condolences and Sympathy from Indians becomes pride issues with pakistan.They will only accept entitlement from india nothing less nothing more.
 

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Floods ravage Punjab, threaten Sindh

Floodwaters ravaged hundreds of villages in the province of Punjab Wednesday, destroying homes, soaking crops, and threatening more lives. Aid workers warned that bloated rivers would soon surge into the country's south, prompting more evacuations.
 

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after all this their president is busy launching his son....pity the pakistani people, PBUT[peace be upon them]
 

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Even UK has pledged 8 million. The very country whose pm was cursed by pakistanis for calling spade a spade.
 

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Pakistan president's visit to UK criticised

Pakistan's president has arrived in Britain amid a row over comments made about the country's role in terrorism by Prime Minister David Cameron.

Ahead of his arrival, Mr Cameron again defended his claim that Pakistan must not "promote the export of terror".

President Asif Ali Zardari has also been criticised for making his UK trip while Pakistan is facing severe floods.

Ahead of his visit he told Le Monde the international community was losing the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

In an interview with the French newspaper, he said coalition forces had "underestimated" the situation on the ground.

Meanwhile, aid organisation Unicef says the death toll from the worst flooding to hit Pakistan in 80 years is at least 1,400, with up to three million people affected.

Mr Cameron made his controversial remarks during a visit to India last week. He said of Pakistan that the world could not "tolerate in any sense the idea that this country is allowed to look both ways and is able, in any way, to promote the export of terror".
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That led to an effigy of the British PM being burned in the street in Karachi, and to Pakistani intelligence officials cancelling a visit to the UK in protest.

In a phone-in with BBC West Midlands on Tuesday, Mr Cameron defended his remarks and insisted the UK-Pakistan relationship was "strong".

"But there has been and still is a problem of terror groups in Pakistan that threaten other countries," he said. "[They] also threaten our troops in Afghanistan, threaten India and threaten us in the UK, and they need to be dealt with.

"As I said in India, to be fair to the Pakistan government they have done more recently to combat these terror groups, but they need to go on doing even more, and we should be working with them in order to encourage them to do that."

President Zardari pledged to speak to Mr Cameron on Friday about the prime minister's remarks.

He told Le Monde: "The war against terrorism must unite us and not oppose us. I will explain face to face that it is my country that is paying the highest price in human life for this war."

President Zardari is due to meet several UK politicians with Pakistani links on Thursday, but two - Khalid Mahmood and Lord Ahmed - have refused the invitation.

Mr Mahmood told the BBC the country was facing "a huge environmental catastrophe" and the president should not be "swanning around" overseas, but should be at home helping those who are suffering.

He also said extremists in Pakistan would take advantage of the president's absence to try to win support from ordinary people.

Unconfirmed reports say that Islamist groups, some accused of having links to the Taliban, have been providing aid to many of the victims.

"Whilst he's visiting around here, you're going to get extremists going to those people saying, 'We're going to be working with you, your president's not here, we want you to come with us,' and that's a huge coup for the extremists," said Mr Mahmood.

He also said the prime minister's comments were "hugely offensive to the Pakistani diaspora in the UK and the Pakistani people as a whole".

Mr Mahmood said they also undermined the ability of the UK to work with Pakistan to identify and stop terrorist plots formulated there and designed to target Britain.

Ishtiak Ahmed, of the Bradford Council of Mosques, agreed that the president should have stayed in Pakistan.

He told the BBC it would have been a "very firm diplomatic response" to David Cameron, and the finances spent on the trip would have been "better invested" helping those affected by the floods.

Rebuild bridges
President Zardari is due to meet Mr Cameron on Friday.

Sam Zarifi, Amnesty International's Asia and Pacific director, told the BBC: "There has been quite a bit of pressure on President Zardari to cancel his trip.

"[This is] partly due to the magnitude of the flood, but also because of what is perceived as a slight against Pakistan by Prime Minster Cameron."

And former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell urged the government to use the visit to "rebuild bridges with Pakistan", and suggested that a generous response to the floods could help.

"It is not in our interests to be at loggerheads with a country which is so important to the outcome in Afghanistan and so essential to our national security," he said.

"The fact that the president has continued with the visit gives us an opportunity to re-establish good relations, not least because of the criticism which he has come under for persisting with the visit.

"The more generous we can be with aid and assistance with what is now a terrible tragedy, the easier it will be to get back on good terms."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10847801
 

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