Pakistan Economy: News & Discussion

[lcafanboy]

I'mraand Khan naya Pakistan getting ready for future.....

 

[devx101]

I'mraand Khan naya Pakistan getting ready for future.....

above top class...

 

[Pandeyji]

I'mraand Khan naya Pakistan getting ready for future.....

Honestly, this is a brilliant idea

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Honestly, this is a brilliant idea

China has started Randi rona now. His foreign minister said that Now India shall be the main adversary of China in coming years and not US. He said that CHina had never expected to practice such aggressive diplomacy. One Chinese diplomat said that now India is encircling China and supplying weapons to Chinese enemy states like China does to Pakistan. He said that China is unable to save Pakistan from Economic collapse inspite of its best effort. India has become so powerful that it can push a country with 200 million people into economic crisis. India's making India is becoming successful and it is taking away business of China.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

India's making India is becoming successful and it is taking away business of China.

Sir, I defer on this.
The most profitable and visual industry the mobile industry is dominated by those HAN people and there are many more industries too where Chinese are expanding in India. I don't think your point is correct.

 

[garg_bharat]

HariPrasad-1,

China is a very resourceful and powerful country. Remember China is spending one trillion US dollars on belt and road; which is far more than entire foreign debt (around 100 B) of Pakistan.

So the clear fact is China does have the money to bail Pakistan out.

If China is not bailing out Pakistan; then reason is not lack of money.

India cannot "push pakistan in economic crisis". It is simply impossible. India hardly has any trade with Pakistan. There is no mechanism available to India to "push Pakistan into economic crisis".

Pakistan's economic crisis is due to serious financial mismanagement for last 30 years. It is due to internal factors.

 

[garg_bharat]

China will try to push blame onto India. India should show it the mirror.

And India should move on. As I said elsewhere China WILL NOT fight for Islam. It will give weapons no doubt but its commitment is superficial.

India MUST work with the West to defeat Chinese plan.

And don't get confused by Timatar. Pakistan has plenty of agriculture. It can grow as many timatar as it wants.

 

[Butter Chicken]

If international bailout doesn't arrive in the next 2-3 months, within a few months we would witness provinces and ethnic entities in #Pakistan start their own process of contacting international donors to get a bail out for their provinces #Sindh #Balochistan #KPK

 

[Butter Chicken]

tl;dr for Pak economy

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Sir, I defer on this.
The most profitable and visual industry the mobile industry is dominated by those HAN people and there are many more industries too where Chinese are expanding in India. I don't think your point is correct.

It is said by China and not by me.

So far as mobile is concern, We had 2 manufacturing units in India in 2014 and we have more than 100 today.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

It is said by China and not by me.

So far as mobile is concern, We had 2 manufacturing units in India in 2014 and we have more than 100 today.

Yes, but sir they are Chinese dominant except that Samsung and Taiwan one.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

HariPrasad-1,

China is a very resourceful and powerful country. Remember China is spending one trillion US dollars on belt and road; which is far more than entire foreign debt (around 100 B) of Pakistan.

So the clear fact is China does have the money to bail Pakistan out.

If China is not bailing out Pakistan; then reason is not lack of money.

India cannot "push pakistan in economic crisis". It is simply impossible. India hardly has any trade with Pakistan. There is no mechanism available to India to "push Pakistan into economic crisis".

Pakistan's economic crisis is due to serious financial mismanagement for last 30 years. It is due to internal factors.

Who said we need to have trade to punish pakistan. We diplomatically isolated Pakistan and blocked its loan manged to put them in Gray list of terrorism supporting nation. This should be good enough Cripple term economically. Other way is boost the export of those things which they export to created substitute of their export product at a cheaper rate. Pakistan import yans from India for their textile industries. Once it is hit, pakistan's export shall be affected. Though the food Items Pakistan imports from India may not be substantial in value but if it is stopped, there will be havoc in public. It is happening right now. In Pakistan, Milk, tomatoes ,potatoes etc have become very costly. Their people are literally crying. Depreciation of PKR has made crude import very costly and it has pushed import upward. India's measure to use our part of water more effectively has pushed Pakistan agriculture miserable condition. It is not that only Pakistan's economical condition has worsen, Pakistn's basic survival needs are getting difficult to meet.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

China itself imports 90% of its semiconductors in smartphones. Technically, even China only assembles.


We are approaching there gradually (making other components what China makes) and are completely making at least simple phones (not smartphones yet).

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

China itself imports 90% of its semiconductors in smartphones. Technically, even China only assembles.


We are approaching there gradually (making other components what China makes) and are completely making at least simple phones (not smartphones yet).

China assembles most of phones. But using its extensive assembling ability, it has started to develop several technology itself. It has developed its own processor like "spreadtrum" and has its own display manufacturing etc. Though these are rarely bought by people outside China due to its lower quality compared to USA semiconductors, China is still capable of making their own fully indigenous phones. So, India is a long way from that.

Making simple phone is also difficult as modern phones have 14nm or 22nm processors even in feature phones. Older feature phones of 2005-6 used to have only 200 contacts, 50SMS storage, low battery endurance etc. But now the low powere processrs give marathon battery endurance and has large number of contact storage, SMS storage etc. So, if we have to make feature phones, even then we will have to get the latest semiconductor to be competitive in market

 

[airtel]

China assembles most of phones. But using its extensive assembling ability, it has started to develop several technology itself. It has developed its own processor like "spreadtrum" and has its own display manufacturing etc. Though these are rarely bought by people outside China due to its lower quality compared to USA semiconductors, China is still capable of making their own fully indigenous phones. So, India is a long way from that.

Making simple phone is also difficult as modern phones have 14nm or 22nm processors even in feature phones. Older feature phones of 2005-6 used to have only 200 contacts, 50SMS storage, low battery endurance etc. But now the low powere processrs give marathon battery endurance and has large number of contact storage, SMS storage etc. So, if we have to make feature phones, even then we will have to get the latest semiconductor to be competitive in market

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The biggest Chinese chipmaker company is not spreadtrum , it is HiSilicon of Huawei..... And huawei is popular outside China too.
They have some very advanced technologies and they have invested a very large amount in the development of 5G technologies ......and this is why USA and allies blocked them in many countries.

 

[singhboy98]

China has started Randi rona now. His foreign minister said that Now India shall be the main adversary of China in coming years and not US. He said that CHina had never expected to practice such aggressive diplomacy. One Chinese diplomat said that now India is encircling China and supplying weapons to Chinese enemy states like China does to Pakistan. He said that China is unable to save Pakistan from Economic collapse inspite of its best effort. India has become so powerful that it can push a country with 200 million people into economic crisis. India's making India is becoming successful and it is taking away business of China.

Could you post a link supporting your claims?

 

[garg_bharat]

Who said we need to have trade to punish pakistan. We diplomatically isolated Pakistan and blocked its loan manged to put them in Gray list of terrorism supporting nation. This should be good enough Cripple term economically. Other way is boost the export of those things which they export to created substitute of their export product at a cheaper rate. Pakistan import yans from India for their textile industries. Once it is hit, pakistan's export shall be affected. Though the food Items Pakistan imports from India may not be substantial in value but if it is stopped, there will be havoc in public. It is happening right now. In Pakistan, Milk, tomatoes ,potatoes etc have become very costly. Their people are literally crying. Depreciation of PKR has made crude import very costly and it has pushed import upward. India's measure to use our part of water more effectively has pushed Pakistan agriculture miserable condition. It is not that only Pakistan's economical condition has worsen, Pakistn's basic survival needs are getting difficult to meet.

1. Pakistan has more agricultural land to population ratio compared to India.
Pakistan can grow anything. This issue is economics as agriculture is subsidized by State. So it is more a question of how much money Pakistan State has to subsidize. Practically Pakistan can grow timato and Aalu as much as it needs.

2. The cost of most foods (in USD) is lower in Pakistan compared to India.

3. India is not the only producer of cotton. Pakistan can import from other countries. There is no embargo on Pakistan.

4. FATF is an international reaction to misdeeds of Pakistan. India has been shouting before also but India was not taken seriously. Believe me USA is hurt in Afghan theater.

5. Bangladesh is a better competitor to Pakistan (compared to India) in garment export.

6. Pakistan is still getting aid and petroleum subsidy from Gulf States.

7. Water - yes; India controlling water does have an impact. This one I agree.

 

[garg_bharat]

My viewpoint is that Pakistan monkey is not caged yet. It is still running amuck. India has wounded the monkey so it is showing even more aggressive behaviour like the bombing in Sri Lanka; and it may be planning more bigger attacks in India too. China's tech is also a serious worry for India as Pakistan-China collusion has deepened.

India needs West (weapons, tech) and West needs India (China containment). If India goes isolation path again; short term (next 3-5 years) will be deadly.

Indians have no idea of general wars (like world war) when cities are bombed; and general population is in direct crossfire.

Every Indian needs to be ready for coming troubles.

Under-estimating Pakistan is a serious mistake.

 

[mayfair]

1. Pakistan has more agricultural land to population ratio compared to India.
Pakistan can grow anything. This issue is economics as agriculture is subsidized by State. So it is more a question of how much money Pakistan State has to subsidize. Practically Pakistan can grow timato and Aalu as much as it needs.

2. The cost of most foods (in USD) is lower in Pakistan compared to India

Can you cite your sources for those claims?

Secondly, cost in USD terms means little in the absence of PPP.

The land may be capable of "growing anything" (highly disputable, since the soil geology is not that diverse) and ARE capable of growing everything are two very different things.

 

[garg_bharat]

Can you cite your sources for those claims?

Secondly, cost in USD terms means little in the absence of PPP.

The land may be capable of "growing anything" (highly disputable, since the soil geology is not that diverse) and ARE capable of growing everything are two very different things.

My dear google is a friend. I have been researching on this since mid nineties, now 34 years.

Arable area Pakistan % of total land - 39.7%
Arable area India % of total land - 52.65%

But land Pakistan has is 26% of India. Pakistan population 210 million compared to India 1.3 billion.
You can do the math.
Plus Pakistan has the best agricultural land in Punjab - of the entire South Asia.

Why are food prices lower in Pakistan - direct result of good crop.

However one variable which can hurt Pakistan is WATER.