OBOR News & Developments

[Kshatriya87]

What do you mean by open mind? Bakis are mindless (mad). Now China has entered into their mind and will remain there till they get another invader to enslave them.

Just trying to talk some sense into at least one pakistani.

 

[airtel]

As an implication of the development China may block the Brahmaputra river,

blah blah blah ...........Brahmaputra get most of the water from tributaries which are situated inside Indian territory .......what china can do ?? nothing .

also Indian agriculture is not dependent on Brahmaputra river but paki panjab is dependent on tributaries of Indus river .

at-least read some geography before blabbering .

 

[PSYOP]

Simple answer would be, the water instigates from Chinese territory, if india stops water in between, indian water can be stopped by china.

 

[PSYOP]

blah blah blah ...........Brahmaputra get most of the water from tributaries which are situated inside Indian territory .......what china can do ?? nothing .

also Indian agriculture is not dependent on Brahmaputra river .

at-least read some geography before blabbering .

Please talk sense here, I know geography better than you, As lower riparians, India and Bangladesh rely on the Brahmaputra River for water, agriculture and livelihoods. Upstream, China holds an important strategic advantage over the river’s flow.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

China, which is salaried to re-engineer the trans-boundary, flows of rivers originating in Tibet, and if the IWT is abrogated by India (

But there are many reasons why India cannot scrap Indus Water Treaty as recently, China will fund and build two Indus mega-dams at a total cost of $27 billion)

As an implication of the development China may block the Brahmaputra river, China is an upstream riparian country relatively to India, and don’t forget China’s Himalayan part is the primary source of all of the major and several small rivers which flows towards us, and recent move by our brother China to build its new dam projects promise to bring the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) under greater pressure. So, what India can do now?

Learn more about these rivers.

Puny humans can never block the mighty brahmaputra river, if they could they would have done it by now.

Stop day dreaming.

 

[Willy2]

We already discuss many-times that panjubi pakistani psychology about CPEC that it going to help them to defeat us economically , militarily etc, and it's potential impact on them .
we don't care a single bit of them , but ppl of G-B is our ppl , and we don't let them suffer on the hand of communist han .

 

[PSYOP]

Learn more about these rivers.

Puny humans can never block the mighty brahmaputra river, if they could they would have done it by now.

Stop day dreaming.

Then india should aspect and deliver also concerning talking of rasping of IWT. Remember, water is essential for life. Therefore, being too dominant about it means threatening other country's (people's) life. No one would want unnecessary war, and it's also
International obligations to pursue them as it is.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Then india should aspect and deliver also concerning talking of rasping of IWT. Remember, water is essential for life. Therefore, being too dominant about it means threatening other country's (people's) life. No one would want unnecessary war.

India wants a war with Pakistan, are you a dolt to not figure that out.
Now We are just waiting for Pakistan to take the bait, but later We will be forcing them once the dams get built in Jammu and Kashmir in 2018-2019.

Also if you are that worried about life then tell your Army to stop sending terrorists into Indian Territory.

 

[Krusty]

Then india should aspect and deliver also concerning talking of rasping of IWT. Remember, water is essential for life. Therefore, being too dominant about it means threatening other country's (people's) life. No one would want unnecessary war, and it's also
International obligations to pursue them as it is.

You do realise India isn't using its legal quota as prescribed in IWT in the first place. Now Pakistan has gotten used to the quantity it receives. If India merely starts using the legal Quota as per international obligations, how will that be casus belli? All we are saying is we will use our full Quota to start with. That alone will be enough to give Pak a heartburn.

BTW Mr.Jadhav's case isn't for fun. If Pakistan doesn't abide by ICJ ruling, it will give India reason simply scrap IWT. Pak cannot go to any international body. Maybe it can sit on Chinas lap and cry.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Blocking water is a useless strategy even in war. We should simply fund disgruntled groups like LEJ who will explode once they find Pakistani takeover by China. These chauvinistic groups along with Balochis and TTP will make life miserable for Pakis and Chini masters for decades to come.

 

[mayfair]

Please take this IWT-based discussions to the appropriate thread. The Napakis have no credible answers to our rejoinders over OBOR/CPEC so going off the tangent.

Let us burst their IWT bubble in a different thread.

 

[Krusty]

Blocking water is a useless strategy even in war. We should simply fund disgruntled groups like LEJ who will explode once they find Pakistani takeover by China. These chauvinistic groups along with Balochis and TTP will make life miserable for Pakis and Chini masters for decades to come.

Drop tons of pig carcass into the river. And pigs blood for good measure. Whole of Pakistan will be haram.

Edit: apologies for flying off on a tangent. Back to OBOR/CPEC

 

[airtel]

Please talk sense here, I know geography better than you, As lower riparians, India and Bangladesh rely on the Brahmaputra River for water, agriculture and livelihoods. Upstream, China holds an important strategic advantage over the river’s flow.

Lulz Madarsachap paki talking about Geography ??

Look at this Map (i dont think You can understand a Map but Fir bhi )....... that area is called rain forest and is characterized by high levels of rainfall..........Bramhaputra get most Most of the water from rainfall & tributaries situated in India & bhutan ............So china can not do anything .

Assam is famous for Chay bagans ...............Which is dependent on rainfall and not on bramhaputra river .

so how Blocking one or 2 tributaries situated inside china will affect India ?


but pakistaan is dependent on Indus river and we will destroy agriculture and economy of Pakistani after scraping Indus water treaty .

 

[Kshatriya87]

Simple answer would be, the water instigates from Chinese territory, if india stops water in between, indian water can be stopped by china.

First of all, you can't STOP river water. You can only divert it.

Second, chinese can divert sutlej and indus only. Rest rivers originate in India. Won't matter.

 

[PSYOP]

Assam is famous for Chay bagans ...............Which is dependent on rainfall and not on bramhaputra river .

so how Blocking one or 2 tributaries situated inside china will affect India ?


.

When China blocked a tributary of the Brahmaputra river in Tibet as part of the edifice of its hydro project, then why instigating distress in India? As, it may impact the water flow into the country, including states like Assam?

 

[airtel]

When China blocked a tributary of the Brahmaputra river in Tibet as part of the edifice of its hydro project, then why instigating distress in India? As, it may impact the water flow into the country, including states like Assam?

oh jahil madarsachap ...........that area is is not situated in sahara desert , this area is one of the wettest places on earth

Every year bramhaputra river is creating floods in that area .......................so If China is diverting some of its water then it is Good for India .

P.s. no more discussion on bramhaputra ................just stick to the topic .

 

[ALOK31]

India’s objection to CPEC is extremely valid, but the moot point remains that we were not able to carry any of the big powers on the vital question of Westphalian sovereignty.
As the Narendra Modi government completes three years of its tryst with electoral destiny on May 16, it could not have wished for a more portentous international conference in far, but yet nearby, Beijing.

The One Belt One Road conference convened by the People’s Republic of China over the weekend to unveil and showcase the most ambitious connectivity project of modern times represents the grandest failure of Indian foreign policy and it’s quarantine into splendid isolation. However, first a word about the project.

Chinese president Xi Jinping, in 2013, unveiled a novel economic structure that would connect China’s Silk Road Mercantile Belt project in Central Asia with its Maritime Silk Road, through linked bodies of water from the South China Sea to the Indian Ocean. In principle, these trade stratagems centre on increasing China’s connection with countries along the ancient Silk Road in Eurasia, while creating a new Silk Road across Asia to South Asia and Africa.

One part of the project is focused on the creation of road connections between China and Eurasia, involving infrastructure projects such as highways and rail links. The other part of the project concerns maritime routes that will connect China with South East Asia, South Asia and ports up and down the east coast of Africa.

The measure of this concept, if it ever reaches fruition, is both the project’s greatest hawking point and conceivable trial. The trade links once established will cover 65 per cent of the world’s population, one-third of global GDP and a quarter of all goods and services in the international economy.

Such a focus of goods and services will upturn how conventional products, such as energy, are traded. Observers draw parallels with the Marshall Plan that reinvented Europe post the Second World War. With enormous sums of money, ranging from $ 800 billion to $1 trillion to be invested over the next five years, there is a lot of cash to spread around, even in China’s extended neighbourhood.

In comparison, the investment into the Pakistani component of this initiative, the Chinese Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), anywhere between $46-62 billion, is a mere pittance.

The summit in Beijing over the weekend was attended by 29 heads of states and governments which included Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Sri Lankan PM Ranil Wickermasinghe, delegations from all other South Asian countries barring Bhutan, as well as leaders and officials from the big boys on the global stage, namely Russia, US, Japan, UK, Germany and France.

That is where India’s lack of nimbleness became counterproductive. While our objection to the CPEC is extremely valid — that it passes through territory acceded to India by the erstwhile Maharaja of Jammu Kashmir, Hari Singh, on October 26,1947 and whatever is in the possession of Pakistan is illegally occupied — the moot point remains that we were not able to carry any of the big powers, including the US, and especially our neighbors along on the vital question of Westphalian sovereignty.

By boycotting the summit rather than showing up and making our voice heard loud and clear in the comity of nations, India has in fact sent out a message that it will make proforma noise on this issue but actually acquiesce to the fait accompli.

What this lack of dexterity does is allow the Chinese embrace of Pakistan to get even tighter. A front page exclusive in Pakistan’s ‘Dawn’ newspaper for the first time revealed to Pakistanis themselves the extent of Chinese colonisation this project would entail. But given the desperate, if not perilous, situation that Pakistan finds itself in, it would be surprising if there is any substantive protest by any section of the population.

A strategic relationship transformed into an economic vested interest means that India cannot bank upon Chinese neutrality in case of a possible conflict with Pakistan – which India may blunder into as the BJP-led government works overtime to use the Kashmir flashpoint to drive home the otherness of the citizens to the rest of India.

A two-front situation may become an unfortunate imperative that India may just have to deal with, given the fact China is revising its position on accepted principles with regard to the territorial dispute with India, in the protracted but ongoing Special Representative process.

With Gwadar becoming operational, China would be able to surmount its Malacca Dilemma — that is pump and transport it’s energy and mineral resources directly to Kashgar as they exit the Straits of Hormuz — thereby circumventing the Malacca chokepoint.

The fact remains that India would have to deal with Pakistani and Chinese navies jointly patrolling the Arabian Sea off India’s western seaboard and directly threatening India’s energy and resource supply lines. The story does not end there. With Hambantota also being developed as a Chinese resourced port in Sri Lanka, the Gwadar-Hamabantota axis may end up emerging as an access denial area in India’s home waters.

Then there is the eastern headache, which is the growing Chinese proximity to Nepal and Bangladesh, as well as the deep economic linkages with Myanmar. While Sheikh Hasina’s government is very friendly towards India, that may not be the permanent state of play. There is a perception in the Bangladesh polity, especially the principal opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), that India has put all its eggs into one basket.

Given the strained relations with Nepal post the economic blockade of 2015, Kathmandu’s propensity to explore other options especially energises the torturous land route with China.

While all this infrastructure development has been in the works for a while, where the Modi government has tripped badly is in its inability to tread the fine balance between the big powers. Though it’s perceived cosiness towards the US has not borne any tangible fruit in the past three years, what it has achieved is to drive both Russia and China into a state of ambivalence and antagonism, respectively. There is no better evidence of this than the recent Russian-Pakistani defense exercises, a first in 70 years.

It is therefore in India’s larger national interest to not allow the China-Pakistan embrace to turn into its greatest strategic nightmare. India must finesse it’s relationship with China, for there are other implications, namely in Afghanistan.

This is only one of the great blunders over the past three years. The others will follow in the days to come. [emoji38]

http://indianexpress.com/article/op...est-failure-of-indian-foreign-policy-4657738/

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[Tarun Kumar]

Leave the water thing please. By using water we are proving we are weak which we are not. We need to have strong covert capabilities to hit Pakiland. As for CPEC terrorist groups in Pakiland who call even shias as kafir will explode with unconstrained anger when they find their land and culture being sold off to Chins for bargain basement price. All we need is few bags of dollars for them and rest enjoy the fireworks :biggrin2:

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Leave the water thing please. By using water we are proving we are weak which we are not. We need to have strong covert capabilities to hit Pakiland. As for CPEC terrorist groups in Pakiland who call even shias as kafir will explode with unconstrained anger when they find their land and culture being sold off to Chins for bargain basement price. All we need is few bags of dollars for them and rest enjoy the fireworks :biggrin2:

I agree that we should hit them wherever it hurts. IWT is one of the targetable object. So no reason to leave it unturned.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Techincal challenges with Indus and Brahamputra rivers


CPEC economic feasibility


Above two threads provide detailed insight about topics in concern.