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Such videos must be translated to Urdu, Punjabi, Pasthu, and other Pakistani regional languages and posted and spread on various social media platforms.
OBOR News & Developments
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Is it related to CPEC?
Can you please summarise what's it about?
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Astaghfirullah. @Zarvan brother look what those pork and dog eating najis chini kafirs are doing to Muslims and Islam. Doesn't your ghazi blood boil after seeing all this? Dont you care for honour of rasool allah(pbuh) ?
Didnt you want death of a martyr? This is the chance brother to become shahid. Go get your suicide vest and blast them some chini kafirs. Allah o Akbar.
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Porkis are China's pussy lickers. They dare not react to China's atrocities against Muslims, but go berserk on so called 'human rights violations' in Kashmir. These buggers are nothing but hypocrites.
What else can one expect from the fake Muslims of the Land of the Pure?
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Indeed it is relevant!!
I wouldn't run the risk of having someone complain irrelevance to have it removed
Often when I face an unpleasantness I turn my face away and try to avoid it. ....I'm by no means the only one who does that ..... actually it's a natural reaction
So neither do I find fault with you for obviously not having viewed it .... Please try to listen to it, discount any rough language and hear out the facts ....
The fact is that it is the leadership in pckland is knowingly abandoning the ummah to cruel wolves for money but even worse. .and if they did it to th uighurs then they can and will do the same to paktoonqwa sindh and baluchstan, if not already
... .... With that kind of leadership is that ?
who wants to be part of ........ ????
Have the courage (later) to Listen and hear for oneself if many points are not indeed accurate
@Neo @Zarvan @shimshali
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Don't be afraid, reported posts from non Indian members are usually ignored, there's only one mod actually doing the cleaning up and even that's a once in couple of months. Mods are cursing here, calling names and trolling so why not you.
Yes it is. We always have a choice to either engage or ignore it. I often chose to ignore in the absence of fair moderation.
What is it that you seek of me actually? You want me to tell you that we are the biggest hypocrites on earth, would that satisfy you?
It's all real politik, nothing more nothing less.
Without listening to the video, I will try to reply you to some level of satisfaction but it will be a wall post, I won't derail the thread because imho its still not related to the topic. Hope you don't mind.
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China is offering to rename CPEC, for the sake of India.
This should be fun...
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https://thewire.in/133138/china-pakistan-india-obor/
This should be fun...
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https://thewire.in/133138/china-pakistan-india-obor/
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lets propose for balochistan china economic corridor.....pakistan would be finished in next 20 yrs
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Doesn't change the fact that it still passes through Indian territory. Still a no go. It's bound to doom.
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What's in the name? Call it Gwadar-Urumxi corridor, Trans Karakoram Corridor or whatever but it will not have the name India in it.
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US makes U-turn, to participate in One Belt One Road initiative
HIGHLIGHTS
BEIJING/NEW DELHI: The US has made a sudden U-turn and decided to participate in the One Belt, One Road (OBOR) initiative being organised by China with much fanfare in Beijing this Sunday and Monday.
The US move puts tremendous pressure on India, which remains undecided on whether to send representatives to the event. India maintains that China has not created an environment of trust to carry out the belt and road projects.
A very good example is the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor through which China is looking to link Xinjiang with Gwadar port, which it has built in Balochistan.
Beijing has shown scant regard for the fact that it impinges on India's sovereignty, passing as it does through the Gilgit-Baltistan region which India claims as its own.
There may not be any immediate material loss to India if it goes unrepresented because OBOR is not a membership-based organisation.
In fact, India might be praised in some quarters for taking a bold principled stand. Sources in Delhi said India at best may be represented by junior embassy officials and ruled out sending any high-level dignitary.
A few Indian academics may also be present at the meet which would attract representation from over 50 countries and international organisations like the World Bank.
Though taking part in the initiative is a political decision, the US has made it appear like a trade-off that included China's commitment to buy American beef as part of the '100-day plan' agreement.
On its part, Washington agreed to allow Chinese banks to expand operations in the US.
"India is in a dilemma," Jagannath Panda, a research fellow at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis in New Delhi, told TOI. "India has to take cognizance of the US decision. It is an early signal that the Trump administration is reframing the US-China relationship," he said.
The US is sending an inter-agency delegation led by Matthew Pottinger, a top adviser to the Trump administration and National Security Council senior director for East Asia.
The decision emanated directly from the meeting between the presidents of the US and China in Florida last month. "We welcome all countries to attend. And we welcome the United States' attendance as the world's largest economy," said Chinese vice-finance minister Zhu Guangyao.
China's dominant position in the programme may be somewhat diluted with the US now joining developed countries like Britain and Germany in sending representatives.
China may come under pressure to become more transparent about its plans, and whether it would follow internationally-accepted standards on environment and labour in the projects, they said.
Japan and South Korea, which have military differences with China, are sending representatives. Most other countries engaged in territorial disputes with China over the South China Sea issue, including Vietnam and Indonesia, are also sending official delegations. Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka are also taking part.
Twenty-nine countries will be represented by their heads of state.
China says it would be a win-win for all countries, but there are serious doubts on whether Beijing would eagerly share the benefits in the face of pressure from Chinese companies.
The programme includes six economic corridors but no reliable map has been made available and it is evolving with time.
"What actually gets built will depend on what deals Chinese companies or the government make with other countries," abroad or on the deals that the Chinese government makes with other governments abroad, and no one knows exactly what those are going to be," said Tom Miller, author of a recent book, China's Asian Dream.
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/us/...-one-road-initiative/articleshow/58652294.cms
HIGHLIGHTS
- The US move puts tremendous pressure on India, which remains undecided on whether to send representatives to the event.
- India maintains that China has not created an environment of trust to carry out the belt and road projects.
- There may not be any immediate material loss to India if it goes unrepresented because OBOR is not a membership-based organisation.
BEIJING/NEW DELHI: The US has made a sudden U-turn and decided to participate in the One Belt, One Road (OBOR) initiative being organised by China with much fanfare in Beijing this Sunday and Monday.
The US move puts tremendous pressure on India, which remains undecided on whether to send representatives to the event. India maintains that China has not created an environment of trust to carry out the belt and road projects.
A very good example is the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor through which China is looking to link Xinjiang with Gwadar port, which it has built in Balochistan.
Beijing has shown scant regard for the fact that it impinges on India's sovereignty, passing as it does through the Gilgit-Baltistan region which India claims as its own.
There may not be any immediate material loss to India if it goes unrepresented because OBOR is not a membership-based organisation.
In fact, India might be praised in some quarters for taking a bold principled stand. Sources in Delhi said India at best may be represented by junior embassy officials and ruled out sending any high-level dignitary.
A few Indian academics may also be present at the meet which would attract representation from over 50 countries and international organisations like the World Bank.
Though taking part in the initiative is a political decision, the US has made it appear like a trade-off that included China's commitment to buy American beef as part of the '100-day plan' agreement.
On its part, Washington agreed to allow Chinese banks to expand operations in the US.
"India is in a dilemma," Jagannath Panda, a research fellow at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis in New Delhi, told TOI. "India has to take cognizance of the US decision. It is an early signal that the Trump administration is reframing the US-China relationship," he said.
The US is sending an inter-agency delegation led by Matthew Pottinger, a top adviser to the Trump administration and National Security Council senior director for East Asia.
The decision emanated directly from the meeting between the presidents of the US and China in Florida last month. "We welcome all countries to attend. And we welcome the United States' attendance as the world's largest economy," said Chinese vice-finance minister Zhu Guangyao.
China's dominant position in the programme may be somewhat diluted with the US now joining developed countries like Britain and Germany in sending representatives.
China may come under pressure to become more transparent about its plans, and whether it would follow internationally-accepted standards on environment and labour in the projects, they said.
Japan and South Korea, which have military differences with China, are sending representatives. Most other countries engaged in territorial disputes with China over the South China Sea issue, including Vietnam and Indonesia, are also sending official delegations. Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka are also taking part.
Twenty-nine countries will be represented by their heads of state.
China says it would be a win-win for all countries, but there are serious doubts on whether Beijing would eagerly share the benefits in the face of pressure from Chinese companies.
The programme includes six economic corridors but no reliable map has been made available and it is evolving with time.
"What actually gets built will depend on what deals Chinese companies or the government make with other countries," abroad or on the deals that the Chinese government makes with other governments abroad, and no one knows exactly what those are going to be," said Tom Miller, author of a recent book, China's Asian Dream.
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/us/...-one-road-initiative/articleshow/58652294.cms
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I think India should have sent a representative to tell the participating nations the security and sovereignty issues of the OBOR as part of it (CPEC) passes through the territory of another country (India) even if it is 'disputed'.
So what is the guarantee that the Chinese OBOR will not impinge on the sovereignty of other countries? Are some smaller countries going to head the way of Pakistan where it has almost become an autonomous Region of China by parceling away thousands of hectares free for the ostensible reason of infra development?
So what is the guarantee that the Chinese OBOR will not impinge on the sovereignty of other countries? Are some smaller countries going to head the way of Pakistan where it has almost become an autonomous Region of China by parceling away thousands of hectares free for the ostensible reason of infra development?
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IMHO China has done nothing new. For thousands of years connectivity between Asia and Europe was land based. But problem is this path passes through many HIGHLY unstable countries. Also transportation via land is way more expensive. This is the reason why Vasco da Gama took all the trouble to find India via sea route.
America has nothing to do with OBOR because it is land based connectivity program and USA is not connect to Asia by land. Appearing in OBOR is a stupid idea it makes US look weak in front of China. USA is currently led by a complete idiot, Trump who has no idea about foreign policy. This simpleton thinks selling beef in China is his big achievement while China is flooding his country with high value electronics. Indian RW should be disillusioned by Trump at this point. He is a pathological liar and a stupid moron, an American version of Lalu.
China doesn't want india they NEED India to join OBOR. Without two of the largest economies in Asia India and Japan this initiative can't be successful. Keep out of OBOR and let this thing die its natural death while bankrupting some small countries in the process.
America has nothing to do with OBOR because it is land based connectivity program and USA is not connect to Asia by land. Appearing in OBOR is a stupid idea it makes US look weak in front of China. USA is currently led by a complete idiot, Trump who has no idea about foreign policy. This simpleton thinks selling beef in China is his big achievement while China is flooding his country with high value electronics. Indian RW should be disillusioned by Trump at this point. He is a pathological liar and a stupid moron, an American version of Lalu.
China doesn't want india they NEED India to join OBOR. Without two of the largest economies in Asia India and Japan this initiative can't be successful. Keep out of OBOR and let this thing die its natural death while bankrupting some small countries in the process.
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@Krusty look at the gravity of this move.US makes U-turn, to participate in One Belt One Road initiative
HIGHLIGHTS
- The US move puts tremendous pressure on India, which remains undecided on whether to send representatives to the event.
- India maintains that China has not created an environment of trust to carry out the belt and road projects.
- There may not be any immediate material loss to India if it goes unrepresented because OBOR is not a membership-based organisation.
BEIJING/NEW DELHI: The US has made a sudden U-turn and decided to participate in the One Belt, One Road (OBOR) initiative being organised by China with much fanfare in Beijing this Sunday and Monday.
The US move puts tremendous pressure on India, which remains undecided on whether to send representatives to the event. India maintains that China has not created an environment of trust to carry out the belt and road projects.
A very good example is the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor through which China is looking to link Xinjiang with Gwadar port, which it has built in Balochistan.
Beijing has shown scant regard for the fact that it impinges on India's sovereignty, passing as it does through the Gilgit-Baltistan region which India claims as its own.
There may not be any immediate material loss to India if it goes unrepresented because OBOR is not a membership-based organisation.
In fact, India might be praised in some quarters for taking a bold principled stand. Sources in Delhi said India at best may be represented by junior embassy officials and ruled out sending any high-level dignitary.
A few Indian academics may also be present at the meet which would attract representation from over 50 countries and international organisations like the World Bank.
Though taking part in the initiative is a political decision, the US has made it appear like a trade-off that included China's commitment to buy American beef as part of the '100-day plan' agreement.
On its part, Washington agreed to allow Chinese banks to expand operations in the US.
"India is in a dilemma," Jagannath Panda, a research fellow at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis in New Delhi, told TOI. "India has to take cognizance of the US decision. It is an early signal that the Trump administration is reframing the US-China relationship," he said.
The US is sending an inter-agency delegation led by Matthew Pottinger, a top adviser to the Trump administration and National Security Council senior director for East Asia.
The decision emanated directly from the meeting between the presidents of the US and China in Florida last month. "We welcome all countries to attend. And we welcome the United States' attendance as the world's largest economy," said Chinese vice-finance minister Zhu Guangyao.
China's dominant position in the programme may be somewhat diluted with the US now joining developed countries like Britain and Germany in sending representatives.
China may come under pressure to become more transparent about its plans, and whether it would follow internationally-accepted standards on environment and labour in the projects, they said.
Japan and South Korea, which have military differences with China, are sending representatives. Most other countries engaged in territorial disputes with China over the South China Sea issue, including Vietnam and Indonesia, are also sending official delegations. Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka are also taking part.
Twenty-nine countries will be represented by their heads of state.
China says it would be a win-win for all countries, but there are serious doubts on whether Beijing would eagerly share the benefits in the face of pressure from Chinese companies.
The programme includes six economic corridors but no reliable map has been made available and it is evolving with time.
"What actually gets built will depend on what deals Chinese companies or the government make with other countries," abroad or on the deals that the Chinese government makes with other governments abroad, and no one knows exactly what those are going to be," said Tom Miller, author of a recent book, China's Asian Dream.
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/us/...-one-road-initiative/articleshow/58652294.cms
The only reason US was against OBOR earlier was because they feared that it would lead to a Chinese naval domination of Arabian sea region. It was naive of us to assume that the US would get together with India to stop China and Pakistan, when they have a more lucrative option available to get together with China and have both US and Chinese naval presence in Arabian sea. Result? neither China nor US has to compromise on their sphere of influence and both of them get to expand their influence and keep India and Pakistan under their toes.
The only way to break this jinx is for India to play the disruptive game and....hear me out....work out some common minimum program with Pakistan and make them understand that we are both losing from this arrangement. Pakistan is getting colonized and India is getting dominated. It is in Pakistan's and India's interest to keep the US out of our waters, at least we can agree on that part, even if we disagree on whether China has a role to play or not.
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US deep state has always been pro China since Henry Kissinger days. Where we have failed is loosing our old friend Russia to China.
Pakis will never agree with us against China. Pak's whole existence is based on hatred towards India. They will rather be a Chinese colony than a friend of India. Only way to break this jinx is by becoming economically strong and militarily independent. World respects power not diplomacy.
Pakis will never agree with us against China. Pak's whole existence is based on hatred towards India. They will rather be a Chinese colony than a friend of India. Only way to break this jinx is by becoming economically strong and militarily independent. World respects power not diplomacy.
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China to invest $50b to develop Indus River Cascade
By Zafar Bhutta
Published: May 13, 2017
PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE
ISLAMABAD: In a major development that may attract $50 billion Chinese investment to Pakistan, Islamabad is expected to sign an MoU with Beijing on Saturday (today) for financing and developing the North Indus River Cascade which has the potential to generate 40,000MW hydro electricity.
The $50 billion investment comes on top of the $46 billion investment being provided by the Chinese government and Chinese banks for financing power and road infrastructure projects in Pakistan under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).
With the signing of the MoU – which will be witnessed by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who is on an official visit to China – Beijing will emerge as the biggest financier of infrastructure projects in Pakistan.
According to the studies conducted by the Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda), Pakistan has an identified potential of producing up to 60,000MW of hydroelectric power.
Some 40,000MW of this potential power is located in the region called the Indus River Cascade, which begins from Skardu in Gilgit-Baltistan and runs through Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa as far as Tarbela, the site of Pakistan’s biggest dam in.
The Indus River Cascade includes Diamer-Bhasha Dam project for which Pakistan needs $15 billion financing. Other multilateral donors were not willing to invest on this project but now China has come up to finance this mega project.
Sources said the Chinese side conducted survey and studies on the North Indus Cascade including the sites of Pattan, Thacoat, Bunji, Dasau and Diamer in February 2017.
The Chinese side in their last high-level meeting agreed to convert the survey and initial study to an MoU whereby the Chinese will conduct a detailed study spanning over a period of three months on a developing roadmap for financing that will lead to initiation and completion of these mega projects.
Sources said this will be Pakistan’s first-ever private sector investment in mega projects in hydel resources as until now only Wapda led such projects. The most important development could be the Chinese undertaking of these projects as it has a vast experience for building such huge dams.
According to the sources, the CPEC and the North Indus River Cascade can be the biggest-ever Chinese investment in Pakistan.
In 2015, the owner of the world’s largest hydroelectric dam, China Three Gorges (CTG) Corporation, had expressed willingness to participate in a financing consortium to fund up to $50 billion of hydroelectric power projects in Pakistan.
Pakistan, China to jointly oversee CPEC projects
The Chinese government-owned CTG expressed an interest in financing projects in Pakistan in conjunction with the International Finance Corporation, a World Bank subsidiary.
The CTG owns and operates the Three Gorges Dam, the world’s largest hydroelectric power plant with a capacity of 22,500MW, nearly matching in one power plant the entire installed capacity of the Pakistani grid of 23,500MW.
By Zafar Bhutta
Published: May 13, 2017
PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE
ISLAMABAD: In a major development that may attract $50 billion Chinese investment to Pakistan, Islamabad is expected to sign an MoU with Beijing on Saturday (today) for financing and developing the North Indus River Cascade which has the potential to generate 40,000MW hydro electricity.
The $50 billion investment comes on top of the $46 billion investment being provided by the Chinese government and Chinese banks for financing power and road infrastructure projects in Pakistan under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).
With the signing of the MoU – which will be witnessed by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who is on an official visit to China – Beijing will emerge as the biggest financier of infrastructure projects in Pakistan.
According to the studies conducted by the Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda), Pakistan has an identified potential of producing up to 60,000MW of hydroelectric power.
Some 40,000MW of this potential power is located in the region called the Indus River Cascade, which begins from Skardu in Gilgit-Baltistan and runs through Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa as far as Tarbela, the site of Pakistan’s biggest dam in.
The Indus River Cascade includes Diamer-Bhasha Dam project for which Pakistan needs $15 billion financing. Other multilateral donors were not willing to invest on this project but now China has come up to finance this mega project.
Sources said the Chinese side conducted survey and studies on the North Indus Cascade including the sites of Pattan, Thacoat, Bunji, Dasau and Diamer in February 2017.
The Chinese side in their last high-level meeting agreed to convert the survey and initial study to an MoU whereby the Chinese will conduct a detailed study spanning over a period of three months on a developing roadmap for financing that will lead to initiation and completion of these mega projects.
Sources said this will be Pakistan’s first-ever private sector investment in mega projects in hydel resources as until now only Wapda led such projects. The most important development could be the Chinese undertaking of these projects as it has a vast experience for building such huge dams.
According to the sources, the CPEC and the North Indus River Cascade can be the biggest-ever Chinese investment in Pakistan.
In 2015, the owner of the world’s largest hydroelectric dam, China Three Gorges (CTG) Corporation, had expressed willingness to participate in a financing consortium to fund up to $50 billion of hydroelectric power projects in Pakistan.
Pakistan, China to jointly oversee CPEC projects
The Chinese government-owned CTG expressed an interest in financing projects in Pakistan in conjunction with the International Finance Corporation, a World Bank subsidiary.
The CTG owns and operates the Three Gorges Dam, the world’s largest hydroelectric power plant with a capacity of 22,500MW, nearly matching in one power plant the entire installed capacity of the Pakistani grid of 23,500MW.
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