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Unlike Karakoram and Khunjerab pass?Whatever definition of Western China you can come up with, doesn't change the fact that Chinese population lives near it's East Coast. So please enlighten us mortals about your great plan.
So, your logic is: since majority of Chinese population lives near its East Coast, those 472.6 millions Chinese living in west China shouldn't be anyone's concern?
 

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So, your logic is: since majority of Chinese population lives near its East Coast, those 472.6 millions Chinese living in west China shouldn't be anyone's concern?

Not true.

Western china which the road via Khunjreb Pass will serve is sparsely populated.
 

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@no smoking

I was hoping that living in Australia would have had improved your understanding of English language but clearly this isn't the case. So you say that Eastern China and Western China are divided by mountainous terrain which affects logistics and at the same time you are fooling Pakis that they are the solution to this problem despite Khunjerab pass is closed down for 6 months and is thousands of kms away.

Here, let me simplify this for you, AGAIN.
 

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Somebody in china seems to think we do not know about Good Cop Bad Cop routine....
Debate on Chinese TV..
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TIME TO CHOOSE ONE BETWEEN INDIA-PAKISTAN ? IMPACT OF INDIAN NATIONALISM ON CHINA ?

 
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Somebody in china seems to think we do not know about Good Cop Bad Cop routine....
Debate on Chinese
If Doklam standoff proved anything it is that Chinese media and Chinese citizens are probably the best examples of echo chamber one can find.

Clueless as fuck and don't know how to argue with someone who disagrees with them. Chinis are madly in love with themselves.:drool:
 

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Rauf Klasara commenting how china cheated pakistsn with INTEREST RATE! in the name of CPEC and OBOR


Rauf Klasara Praising Modi for bringing Bullet train at Cheap Interest Rate !
 

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@no smoking

I was hoping that living in Australia would have had improved your understanding of English language but clearly this isn't the case. So you say that Eastern China and Western China are divided by mountainous terrain which affects logistics and at the same time you are fooling Pakis that they are the solution to this problem despite Khunjerab pass is closed down for 6 months and is thousands of kms away.

Here, let me simplify this for you, AGAIN.
Yes, the key warrior like you know nothing but English.
I said:" the transportation distance and difficulties put them in disadvantage position to trade with overseas."
Let me put it in a simple so you can understand:
for western China,
--going east, after climbing over the mountains, they are getting into their competitors--well established factories;
--going west, after climbing over the mountains, they find no competitors but MARKET.

Get it?
 

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Yes, the key warrior like you know nothing but English.
Off course, not all of us are blessed enough to join the 50 CENT COMMANDO REGIMENT like you.

Let me get this straight, China is building a road in Pakistan with the money which it loaned to latter which not only goes through the least populated and developed region but also remains closed for 6 months a year and prone to huge landslides to export to "Middle East".

This against the fact that China has been boasting about it's massive infrastructure which connects "Western" and "Eastern" China through a series of all weather expressways and HSR lines.

Yep, sounds like a win-win to me.
 

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Stop CPEC now: Baloch leaders to China
Wednesday, October 18, 2018 By: ET Source Link: CLICK HERE






On the day the supreme body of the Communist Party of China met for its 19th Congress in Beijing, the Baloch leadership in exile issued a strong warning to China to stop the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPECBSE -4.45 %) or face on the ground consequences.

The CPEC passes across disputed territory and is rejected by the Baloch as a "tool for exploiting the Baloch land."

Baloch and other oppressed people, including Sindhis, have reacted strongly after U.S. Defense Secretary James Mattis told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the One Belt One Road project goes through disputed territory.

Abdul Nawaz Bugti, senior Baloch human rights activist and representative of Baloch Republican Party at the United Nations Human Rights Council issued a statement aimed at China, saying "The statement of Secretary Mattis vindicates our stance on the so-called China Pakistan Economic Corridor that it is not only a illegal project because of the fact that it passes through and exploits PoK (Pakistan occupied Kashmir) and Balochistan, but also because it has resulted in massive human rights abuses in these territories. We call upon China to stop the CPEC immediately."

Calling upon China to honour international norms on disputed territory Abdul Nawaz Bugti said Beijing must realise the mistake it is making as further work on the CPEC will lead to a stronger Baloch rebellion.

Then, addressing the U.S. Bugti said "Being a super power and the most influential player in the region, it is the responsibility of the United States to play its due role to stop the massive injustices committed by China and Pakistan against indigenous people, in this case the CPEC."

Bugti's concern over growing injustice in Balochistan is being supported by Prof. Naela Quadri Baloch, President of Canada-based World Baloch Women's Forum.

She said, "We are glad that US Defense Secretary recognizes that CPEC passes through disputed territory. We expect that US will also recognize that major part of CPEC is in an occupied territory called Balochistan that is bleeding and burning."

"We do not need occupier's mega projects. We deserve a dignified life as a nation, our identity our own democratic and pluralistic way of life. We expect from the US to support Baloch for peace and justice in the region," Professor Naela added.

The multi-billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project also affects other parts of Pakistan including Sindh, where people are demanding intervention of international community to stop the CPEC's construction.

Lakhu Luhana, Secretary General of World Sindhi Congress said, "We believe the statement of the US Defence Secretary Mr James Mattis is timely, just and in accordance with the international law. The people of Gilgit and Baltistan are already suffering colonial exploitation and occupation by Pakistan. CPEC which is illegal according to international law would result in complete elimination of people of Gilgit and Baltistan. Moreover, it is a project that will completely destabilise peace in the region for decades to come in addition to complete marginalisation of Sindhi and Baloch nations."

"We hope that the US will proactively enhance its role to stop this catastrophe from continuing and we hope that the 19th Congress of the Communist Party of China realises that it is time to stop this illegal road from being built on Kashmiri and Baloch land," said Mr.Luhana, head of the World Sindhi Congress.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/Stop-CPEC-now-Baloch-leaders-to-China-434069
 

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China fears its top envoy in Pakistan might be killed, seeks more security
By Press Trust of India | Islamabad | 22 Oct 2017 14:50 pm






China has asked Pakistan to provide additional security for its long-serving envoy in Islamabad in the wake of threats to his life from an outlawed extremist separatist group, media reports said today.
The request was made in a letter written to the Ministry of Interior on October 19.
The letter, circulated in the local media, was written by the focal person for the multi-billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) Ping Ying Fi who has also asked Pakistan to immediately arrest a militant who wanted to "assassinate" Chinese ambassador in Islamabad Yao Jing.
Ping said that Yao is facing threats to his life from a militant, Abdul Wali, who belongs to the banned East Turkestan Independent Movement, which largely operates from China's Xinjiang region, bordering Pakistan. It is suspected that Wali has entered Pakistan from China.
China asked Pakistan to "enhance the protection" of the ambassador and other Chinese working in Pakistan.
It has also asked Pakistan to "arrest the terrorist and hand over to us (China) as soon as possible".
The security of Chinese officials in Pakistan is a major issue and army has been tasked to provide security to the Chinese working on various projects, including the CPEC.
Pakistan's Interior Ministry and the Chinese embassy have declined to comment on the letter.
The CPEC, which traverse through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), will connect Xinjiang with Pakistan's seaport Gwadar through a network of rail, road and pipeline.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/wap.bu...illed-seeks-more-security-117102100697_1.html
 

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China ready to address Indian concerns over BRI
Sunday, October 22, 2017 By: Indian Express Source Link: CLICK HERE






STRESSING THAT it was important for India to join the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said that it is willing to engage in “in-depth communication” to address Indian concerns. Senior MFA officials also said that China supports Indian efforts to play a bigger role in international affairs and expressed hope that India would respect Chinese concerns, especially those involving the Dalai Lama and border disputes.

“We had invited India to the Belt and Road Forum and hoped they would join the initiative, but India has expressed concerns. We think it is important for India to participate in this programme. We are ready to have in-depth communication with the Indian side to address their relevant concerns,” said Yao Wen, Counsellor of the Department of Asian Affairs under China’s MFA. The official said he hoped that India would “understand” China’s position and join Chinese President Xi Jinping’s initiative.

According to Yao, Japan and the US had made positive statements about BRI. “So we do not want to see absence of India in BRI. We hope India can join BRI, which is beneficial to the development of this region,” he said. On Wednesday, Xi made multiple references to BRI in his address to the 19th National Congress, an indication of the project’s importance. The ambitious initiative aims to leverage China’s manufacturing clout and enhance trade by connecting Asia, Europe and Africa through a vast network of roads and two sea routes. India chose to skip the the inaugural Belt and Road Forum in Beijing in May, which was attended by 29 heads of state and where 270 MoUs and agreements were signed. India is opposed to the BRI, citing the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, which runs through POK.

“India has expressed its concerns on CPEC because they believe CPEC passes through territory they believe is their own. One important project is the Karakoram Road. This is the only land passage between China and Pakistan. It was completed in the 1970s and we are upgrading this road for more convenient transport. We keep telling our friends in India that the BRI and CPEC are not about territorial claims and will not affect China’s position on the Kashmir issue,” Yao said. The official said China considered the Kashmir conflict as a top priority along with the Korean Peninsula, the South China Sea dispute and instability in Afghanistan.

Just weeks after the BRF, ties between India and China sunk to a low following a military stand-off in Doklam. Ties improved after the BRICS summit in Xiamen where Xi and Prime Minister Narendra Modi held bilateral talks. “China-India relations have seen twists and turns this year. As the major countries in this region, it is natural that we have some disagreements,” Yao said.
Yao said China supported India’s development and efforts to play a bigger role in international affairs. “At the same time it is hoped that India could respect China’s concerns, for example, the Dalai Lama issue and the boundary question…” Asked if China had offered to mediate between India and Pakistan, Yao said, “The Kashmir issue has been there for years and China hopes it is resolved peacefully. We hope the situation can be managed to avoid further conflicts.”
http://www.defencenews.in/article/China-ready-to-address-Indian-concerns-over-BRI--434125
 

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The ambitious initiative aims to leverage China’s manufacturing clout and enhance trade by connecting Asia, Europe and Africa through a vast network of roads and two sea routes.
Only for chinese goods to be dumped plus creating a debt trap to other nations and participants by building roads through non viable geographies.

“India has expressed its concerns on CPEC because they believe CPEC passes through territory they believe is their own.
This is where china and Xshe went wrong altogether..ITS NOT INDIAN BELIEF..ITS A FACT that Its India Territory.
India want china to change this stance of "BELIEF" and actually come to the release that CPEC PASS THROUGH INDIAN TERRITORY!!
Same way
India BELIEVES that Tibet requires own freedom and so is East Turkestan
And CPEC pass through Balochistan, which India and USA BELIEVES is another rightful nation.

china cannot just "believe" blindly in Xshes ambition through other nations territories as it has to face facts and realities in real world.


We keep telling our friends in India that the BRI and CPEC are not about territorial claims:pound::pound:and will not affect China’s position on the Kashmir issue,” Yao said. The official said China considered the Kashmir conflict as a top priority along with the Korean Peninsula, the South China Sea dispute and instability in Afghanistan.
how can china be so naive and make such childish statements!!?!!
It will affect china's position on infrastructure in disputed regions just like the road china tried to build in a conflict of "interest " zone at Doklam.
India has so far not cared about china's position in kashmir as its true that all the trouble in kashmir is created by chinese help and support.
India knows china says one thing and does another. so china's position on kashmir is fake as chinese products. So who cares about such statements from china.

Question is why have chinese occupied part of kashmir with their troops even prior to CPEC program!! if china believes its a conflict zone.

if the OBOR is chinese priority, then china should vacate their position on the conflict zone, sticking to the so called "chinese position on kashmir" and keep away till India solves it for the betterment of region and for chinese peaceful rise :D

JK is India's priority and India is still playing the waiting game for 70 years. India has all the time in the world, as such a conflict zone will make sure pakistan is further weakened in the name of futile ideology making it easy for India the day which India choose is the best.
china and over ambitious Xshe sure can wait with the OBOR till such a time happens after India resolves the kashmir issue :D

India has alternate and viable safe routes via the international maritime route to Afghan and other middle east nations. Indian navy and its allies are building the capability to make these maritime routes solid and secure from chinese influence.

More than India, china needs to watch their mouth and Indian interests on India's conflict zones if it has to make things easy for them.



Yao said China supported India’s development and efforts to play a bigger role in international affairs.
By blocking India's UNSC bid
By blocking NSG bid
By promoting pak terrorists against India which again china BELIEVES is just a paki citizen tho UN and world nations think otherwise..
By arming rebels against India.

chinese contribution for International support is all over the place. :rofl:
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This only means one thing
Xshe and china has ambition but doesnt know how to proceed with it taking everyone on board.the infamous chinese selfishness and behavior at large..
china will continue the same action/reaction with all its nations..
nothing will change for the world from china in the coming years with Xshe as the leader.
 

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Off course, not all of us are blessed enough to join the 50 CENT COMMANDO REGIMENT like you.
Well, obviously, you are blessed enough to be the STUPID COMMANDO REGIMENT.

Let me get this straight, China is building a road in Pakistan with the money which it loaned to latter which not only goes through the least populated and developed region but also remains closed for 6 months a year and prone to huge landslides to export to "Middle East".
I guess someone just too stupid to see the potential of this market even if you only get 6 months access.

This against the fact that China has been boasting about it's massive infrastructure which connects "Western" and "Eastern" China through a series of all weather expressways and HSR lines.
Which part don't you understand that "western China" need overseas market?
 

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china hasn't learned the lessons from america and the soviets. this area is a dump, albeit with plentiful resources. in the pursuit of these resources, both america and russia have suffered great costs. now, its china's turn to suffer the same way.
 

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If Doklam standoff proved anything it is that Chinese media and Chinese citizens are probably the best examples of echo chamber one can find.

Clueless as fuck and don't know how to argue with someone who disagrees with them. Chinis are madly in love with themselves.:drool:
Recently I had a chance of reading 'China Daily' newspaper. There was nothing negative about China. OpEds were full of (paid) articles by foreign observers and analysts with praise and awe of China and CCP.

I felt sick soon after finishing that propaganda waste.
 

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Recently I had a chance of reading 'China Daily' newspaper. There was nothing negative about China. OpEds were full of (paid) articles by foreign observers and analysts with praise and awe of China and CCP.

I felt sick soon after finishing that propaganda waste.
you just can't find the kind of negative news you wanted.

most comments on China by indian members are superficial because you people lack the necessary means to get insightful observations of China.

China Daily is a marginal newspaper in China because it's published in English and only distributed in cities, those who read China Daily are English learners. yet you think you understand Chinese propaganda machine because you read China Daily for once?
 
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you just can't find the kind of negative news you wanted.

most comments on China by indian members are superficial because you people lack the necessary means to get insightful observations of China.

China Daily is a marginal newspaper in China because it's published in English and only distributed in cities, those who read China Daily are English learners. yet you think you understand Chinese propaganda machine because you read China Daily for once?

No one reads Newspapers with checklist of negatives in mind. May be it is Chinese and Porkis who search negatives about India with usual tag words.

The China Daily came to me just by a coincidence. I started reading it as I would read any typical Newspaper. I didn't even notice that the gibberish I am reading has nothing negative about China. I was just trying to kill my time then at the end I somehow didn't felt being educated any way because the schooling we have teaches us to quench knowledge by observing Negatives and Positives.

As I was reading faces of small eyed Chinese with big smiles on their faces started orbiting around my head. I felt sick then went into diagnostics to realised there is something seriously wrong with this kind of News dissemination.

China Daily I read that day was nothing but nauseating propaganda waste. And actually from World Affairs Board to that porki website It has started making me good sense why Chinese behave this way.
 

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CPEC benefits China more than Pakistan : Report
Sunday, October 29, 2017 By: Outlook India Source Link: CLICK HERE







The multibillion-dollar China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which is part of Chinese President Xi Jinping's 'Belt and Road Initiative', will benefit China more than Pakistan due to lack of Pakistani input in the project.

The lack of Pakistani input into the CPEC, which the government said would drive economic growth to a targeted 6 per cent this financial year, adds to concerns that its benefits might not be as widely distributed as initially thought, the South Morning China Post reported, adding that it runs the risk that Islamabad will be left paying interest on loans to Chinese banks way into the future.

According to the news report, Chinese banks are keenly waiting to get their share of the pie, holding more than US$20 billion for potential financing, much of it has already been filled by the Chinese, with Pakistani lenders getting little look in.

"As of now around US$6 billion to US$7 billion worth of projects are likely going on. Out of that, 10 per cent, or around 50 billion rupees (US$470 million), can be local financing," the South Morning China Post quoted Saad Hashemy, research director at Karachi brokerage Topline Securities, as saying.

"It seems the lion's share of CPEC financing will come from China itself," Bilal Khan, a senior economist at Standard Chartered, said.

The Thar coal mine worth USD 3.5 billion, which is expected to generate 1.3 gigawatts of electricity, is one of the most expensive energy projects.

China will also spend US$5.5 billion for a significant upgrade of Pakistan's rail system.

Meanwhile, local lenders, both Islamic and conventional, are keen to deploy funds after parking much of their advances in government securities, holding 82 per cent of the total 9.26 trillion rupees of local securities, the report said.

Pakistan's banks will have minimal opportunities for direct financing in CPEC projects as the private sector at the government level is not so much involved in the project.

When the CPEC was announced few years back, it was anticipated that the project would mostly be funded with Chinese money as Pakistan was not in a position to deploy the necessary capital after taking an International Monetary Fund bailout in 2013.

China Development Bank is providing US$7.9 billion, according to a report by the state-run China News Service, and Bank of China said it had lent more than US$80 billion as of the end of June.

National leader of the government affair unit of Deloitte Norman Sze has said that the financing demand for the project has since increased from more than US$40 billion in 2015 to US$62 billion this year, and most of the funding so far has come from Chinese banks.

He added that the finance sector in Pakistan is not very advanced and mature to participate in the projects, but it would be difficult for them to meet such a huge financing demand.

However, China has faced criticism for its decision to import goods and labour for the projects at the expense of the local market.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/CPEC-benefits-China-more-than-Pakistan--Report-444187
 

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The DRAMA (Infighting between best friends) begins !!




Local businesses lose big under CPEC

Nasir Jamal. October 30, 2017

https://www.dawn.com/news/1367136/local-businesses-lose-big-under-cpec



For 30 years, Kamal Amjad Mian’s family resisted the temptation to invest heavily in their electricity cable manufacturing business to avoid creating surplus capacity. Instead, they chose to make regular but smaller investments to keep up with growing market demand.

But then Nawaz Sharif returned to power in 2013 with a promise to tackle the nationwide blackouts through massive investments in new power generation and by upgrading the country’s rundown transmission network. On top of that, China also agreed to pour in billions in Pakistan’s power infrastructure under the multibillion-dollar China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) initiative.

Both developments offered electricity cable manufacturers an unprecedented opportunity to grow big fast. It was at that time Mr Amjad’s family decided to set up their second plant in Sundar near Lahore. They thought that the new state-of-the-art plant would help their company win business as new power projects under the CPEC initiative got under way.

But the dream of growing bigger remains unrealised as Mr Amjad’s Fast Cables, like other manufacturers, has yet to reap any benefit from the CPEC-related power projects. The Chinese firms working on power projects prefer to import equipment from China rather than source from Pakistan.

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“We could utilise only 40 per cent of our capacity last financial year because of lack of demand,” Mr Amjad said. “The government has also given the Chinese a big advantage instead of giving us a level playing field.

“On the one hand, it has given them relaxation on their imports, but on the other, it has raised the cost of our raw materials by increasing taxes and placing regulatory duty on raw materials used by local producers. The total federal and provincial tax burden on our products has increased to 45pc in the last three years.”

The government says the Chinese investors were allowed tax relief on their imports for power projects in order to ensure their timely completion. “Moreover, our local industry does not have enough capacity to meet the needs of these projects,” a Pepco official argued.

But a senior executive of another cable manufacturing company rejected this claim as frivolous. “If they had any doubt about local suppliers’ ability to meet demand the government could have talked to us. The manufacturers could also invest and increase their capacity if they had enough orders.

“In the worst-case scenario, the government could allow Chinese investors to meet the shortfall with imports. But keeping us out of the competition is not going to help the local industry and jobs,” he contended, requesting anonymity because of restrictions from his employer.

Mr Amjad, whose company became the first Pakistani cable manufacturing facility to have obtained KEMA gold certification from Holland earlier this year for mid- to low-voltage electricity cables because of their international quality, says his company could create another 300 jobs at its second plant if 100pc capacity was used.

“Because of the underutilisation of capacity, our payback period on new investment has increased to seven years from four and a half years earlier. Who would want to invest in these conditions?” he asked. “If the government cannot withdraw tax exemptions for Chinese companies, it should refund us all taxes it charges from us to give us an even playing field.”

Recently, there’s talk of some Chinese investors venturing into electricity cable manufacturing in Pakistan. “That’ll be a good development. But the government should ensure that local investors also receive the same treatment as the Chinese companies. And it should also ensure that they employ local labour and don’t import labour as well.

“We certainly require foreign private investment in the industry. But it is the job of the government that foreign investors don’t get any advantage over local investors or new jobs don’t go to (Chinese) workers. It is time we realised that exemptions to foreign investors and contractors are hurting domestic industry and jobs. At present there is no incentive for local businesses to expand or set up new projects,” insisted Mr Amjad.

However, not everyone is unhappy. The steel factories are in an expanding mode because they are getting orders for CPEC projects. Construction chemical manufacturers are also glad because the Chinese are using their materials instead of importing them.

“Our chemicals are widely being used for CPEC power and other projects. A major reason is that we are cheaper than imported Chinese chemicals and we also have a network of backup services,” said Ahmed Naveed Chaudhry, chief executive of Sika Pakistan.

But he acknowledged that not every industry is reaping the benefits of the investments around the China-Pakistan trade route initiative. “I think the government should put in place a framework to ensure 100pc utilisation of local industry. If we want to benefit from the corridor initiative we have to give our companies their share in the projects.”

Published in Dawn, The Business and Finance Weekly, October 30th, 2017
 

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Dangerous if the project actually materialises. May be disasterous for the ecology also.
 

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