NIA books Italian marines for Kerela fishermen's murder

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Italy warns India: Death sentence to our marines will be an act of war
Rome: Giving death sentence to two Italian marines charged with the killing of Indian fishermen will be an act of war, a top Italian lawmaker has warned.

"(If the punishment is approved, it will be) an attack on Italy," chairman of the lower house foreign affairs committee Fabrizio Cicchitto was quoted as saying by ANSA news agency on Thursday.

He recently met the marines — Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, currently lodged at the Italian Embassy in New Delhi.

The two marines were deployed on the Italian-flagged oil tanker MT Enrica Lexie when they shot dead two Indian fishermen off Kerala coast in February, 2012, sparking diplomatic tensions between India and Italy.

They had said they mistook the fishermen for pirates. India's National Investigation Agency (NIA) has sought sanction to prosecute the two marines under the 'Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against Safety of Maritime Navigation and Fixed Platforms on Continental Shelf' Act (SUA), a provision which has only death penalty as punishment.

India has, however, given an assurance to Italy that the two would not be awarded death penalty.

The NIA on Thursday told a special court in New Delhi it was "ready" with a chargesheet against the marines and would file it after the Supreme Court decides on the issue raised by the Italian government.

According to the agency, the apex court is scheduled to hear the plea of Italian government challenging invocation of anti-terrorism law against the marines on February 3.

Rome wants the marines to be tried in Italy, claiming the incident took place in international waters. However, India said it has the right to try the Italian personnel as the victims were Indians on board an Indian fishing boat.
Italy warns India: Death sentence to our marines will be an act of war - daily.bhaskar.com
 

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Let them go. Those fishermen were probably useless anyway. WHat could those poor people have contributed to the world? These marines will be far more productive over their lifetime than the fishermen. It's like getting arrested for killing a horse. That's going overboard.
 

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Let them go. Those fishermen were probably useless anyway. WHat could those poor people have contributed to the world? These marines will be far more productive over their lifetime than the fishermen. It's like getting arrested for killing a horse. That's going overboard.
Similarly then there should be no consequence if someone were to shoot you dead, coz your death and flushing shit down the toilet would have the same effect on the planet.
 
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Similarly then there should be no consequence if someone were to shoot you dead, coz your death and flushing shit down the toilet would have the same consequence on the planet.
It sounds harsh so let me qualify my position. With a billion population, what is the worth of these fishermen's lives? I'm sure this matter can be settled out of court by providing the families a monetary compensation. The fishermen would have wanted a better life for their families anyway. Their souls (if it exists) will rest in peace if this is done.

I live in a country that is one of the most productive on a per capita basis. Let's say that gdp per capita is a proxy for per capita productivity of a nation. Also factor in population density of nations so that in nations with the highest densities and the lowest gdp per capita, the average citizen's life is worth the least. On top of these, consider a third factor, the individual's occupation and income.
 
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Let them go. Those fishermen were probably useless anyway. WHat could those poor people have contributed to the world? These marines will be far more productive over their lifetime than the fishermen. It's like getting arrested for killing a horse. That's going overboard.
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Death penalty for the two marines is a little too extreme, but if the Italians think they can get away with "warning" Indians about their domestic laws, I say, lets hang the Marines:fyeah:
Give them death sentence then Presidential pardon.

Let's see how Italy reacts.

It's not the death of the marines, Italy wanted to convey that as they were on official duty, the death sentence will be taken as war against Italy. ( even if commuted or physically not carried out)

So, give death sentence but latter commute it.
 

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SC gives Centre one week to resolve dispute in Italian marines case - The Hindu

The Supreme Court on Monday asked the Centre to resolve within a week all disputes arising out of the issue of invoking anti-piracy law against two Italian marines accused of killing two Indian fishermen off Kerala coast in 2012.

A bench headed by Justice B.S. Chauhan directed the Centre to end the logjam in the issue in which Ministries of Law, Home Affairs and External Affairs are involved and make its stand clear on February 10.

"Will you be able to end the logjam by next Monday? Don't expect us to grant adjournment on the next date," the bench said while posting the case for hearing on February 10.

Attorney General Goolam E. Vahanvati told the bench that the Centre has "almost" resolved the issue and will respond on the next date of hearing.

Senior advocate Mukul Rohatgi, appearing for Italian Government and Marines, submitted that the Centre has not been able to proceed in the case and 13 months have lapsed since the apex court has passed the order for conducting day-to-day proceedings.

He submitted that marines should be allowed to go back to their country.

The bench was hearing a petition filed by Italian government challenging invoking of anti-terrorism law SUA (Suppression of Unlawful Acts against safety of Maritime Navigation And Fixed Platforms on Continental Shelf) Act, saying it is against the order of the apex court which allowed proceedings only under the Maritime Zone Act, IPC, CrPC and UNCLOS.

The joint petition, filed by Ambassador of Italy Daniele Mancini along with Italian marines Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, also sought direction to the Centre and NIA to expedite the proceedings in the case or discharge the marines.

During the last hearing on January 20, the apex court had adjourned the case after Mr. Vahanvati had submitted that the Centre was trying to resolve all disputes with Italian government on the issue.

The petition has said, "Invoking the anti-terrorism SUA Act would tantamount to the Republic of Italy being termed a terrorist state and acts of its organs, which were in repression of piracy, as being deemed as acts of terrorism, which is wholly untenable and unacceptable in the facts and circumstances of this case and in keeping with the comity of nations and international cooperation."

It has said that the draft protocol of 2005 to the SUA convention expressly excludes the applicability of the convention to activities undertaken by the military forces of a State in the exercise of their official duties.

"The purported attempt by the Centre to unilaterally invoke the provisions of SUA Act is contrary to and in wilful disregard of the directions of this court," the petition has said, adding that they came to know about invoking SUA on the basis of application filed by NIA in trial court.

It has contended that one year has passed since the apex court had directed an expeditious hearing in the case but the Centre has failed to implement the order and charge sheet has so far not been filed in the case.

"The petitioners have been detained in India for the last two years without any criminal case against them being started and the Centre has in fact failed to present any Final Report against them for almost one year despite the direction of the apex court to try and dispose of the case on a fast track basis," the petition has said, adding that the accused be allowed to return to Italy till the proceedings begin.

On January 18 last year, the Supreme Court had directed the central agency to probe the case against the marines and directed the Centre to set up a special court to conduct the trial on a day-to-day basis after the charge sheet is filed.

The case pertains to the killing of two Indian fishermen allegedly by Latorre and Girone on board 'Enrica Lexie'.

Fearing a pirate attack, the two officers had allegedly fired at the fishermen's vessel off Kerala coast on February 15, 2012, killing two of them. The marines were arrested on February 19, 2012.
 

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Italian marines' issue halting India-EU relationship, says German ambassador

NEW DELHI: Could the stalled India-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) have become a victim of the ongoing diplomatic tussle between India and Italy over the issue of Italian marines charged with killings of Kerala fishermen?

The ambassador of Germany - EU's most powerful country - Michael Steiner set many thinking Monday when he said that India and EU could achieve better results in their relations if the Italian marines' issue was resolved smoothly.

The ambassador insisted that he was not drawing any link between FTA, or the bilateral trade and investment agreement (BTIA), and the marines even though he brought the proposed agreement up while answering a question about the marines.

Think about FTA...I don't want to link this...we have to (can) come to better results if atmosphere is right,'' he said, while making his point that a result oriented approach was required to resolve the issue. The ambassador said that Italy had taken a realistic'' position over the marines.

Steiner was talking to journalists about the state visit by German President Joachim Gauck starting Tuesday. Steiner said it was in the interest of all 3 parties - India, Italy and EU - that the matter is resolved smoothly. We have so much to do here together,'' he said.

There have been far more serious rumblings in the recent past in EU about the manner in which India has handled the issue of marines. Its industry commissioner Antonio Tijani recently tweeted, "Can we keep negotiating FTA India when death penalty is considerated against EU citizens fighting sea piracy? I think not." EU ambassador to India Joao Cravinho recently said that the FTA with India could now happen only in the first half of next year.

The negotiations have remained stuck for years now and the EU has made up its mind that any substantial progress could be made only after the formation of a new government in India. The EU now seems to be focused more on signing the same agreement with the US and Japan.

The EU also urged India to find as a matter of urgency'' a mutually satisfactory solution to the case in accordance with international law and UN conventions on the law of the sea saying that the issue had a bearing on the global fight against piracy.

The government has earlier invoked anti-terrorism law SUA (Suppression of Unlawful Acts against safety of Maritime Navigation And Fixed Platforms on Continental Shelf) Act which entails death penalty. EU has said that capital punishment is out of question as there is already a commitment from India to that effect, referring to foreign minister Salman Khurshid's statement in Parliament.

EU wants India to increase FDI cap in the insurance sector to 49 per cent. India will need an approval from Parliament to do this. EU also wants considerable duty cuts for its automobiles. India, on its part, has been demanding a data secure nation status from the US which is important for its IT companies.
Italian marines' issue halting India-EU relationship, says German ambassador - The Times of India
 

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Im curious how will italy attack India militarily ? :rofl:
 

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German envoy backs Italian marines cause - Hindustan Times



Expressing support for Italy in the Italian marines case, Germany's ambassador to India Michael Steiner said a smooth handling of the case is in the interest of Italy, India and the European Union (EU).
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Steiner's comment comes close in the heels of EU saying the case may impact its relationship with India, stressing that "this issue has also a bearing on the global fight against piracy, to which the EU is strongly committed."

"Italy is part of the EU so we are following the case closely. It is on one hand a bilateral issue, but we think it is in the mutual interest of India, Italy and the EU to solve it smoothly, considering it has been going on for two years (now)," Steiner said.

Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission had recently said that any decision on the case may have an impact on EU-India relations. "The EU encourages India to find, as a matter of urgency, a mutually satisfactory solution to the long-standing case of the Italian marines arrested for killing two Indian fishermen off the Kerala coast in 2012 in accordance with international law and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea", he had said.

On Monday, Supreme Court had given the Centre a week's time to resolve all disputes arising out of invoking anti-piracy law against the Italian marines.

Meanwhile, some Italian media like Tempo, Libero and IL Fatto have hinted that talks in India to slap charges of death penalty on the two Italian marines is an act of revenge after "revelation were made by a middleman in AgustaWestland that top politicians in the ruling party of India could have been approached to clinch the deal."German president's india visit begins today

German President Joachim Guack will arrive here on Tuesday on a six-day state visit, during which he will hold talks and discuss ways to enhance bilateral ties. Guack will be accompanied by a 80-member delegation, including 15 business leaders, said German ambassador, Michael Steiner.
 

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Spare their life but make sure they get 15 years behind bars.
 

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No point giving them life term... under the bilateral convicted prisoners agreement between India and Italy, they will serve their term in Italy and you know how they would be wining and dining with celebrities in Rome.

Spare their life but make sure they get 15 years behind bars.
 

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Fishermen killing: Italian marines to escape death penalty
New Delhi: The Home Ministry has revised sanction given to prosecute the two Italian marines Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, accused of killing two Indian fishermen off the Kerala coast.

The two marines will now escape death penalty with the Home Ministry agreeing to drop the death penalty clause against them.

The development came a day after the Supreme Court asked the government to resolve within a week all disputes arising over the issue of invoking anti-piracy law against the marines.

A PTI report said that, the Ministry is of the opinion that the duo should be tried under anti-terrorism Suppression of Unlawful Acts against safety of Maritime Navigation And Fixed Platforms on Continental Shelf Act but the provision for death penalty should not be invoked.

The MHA view is in consonance with the commitment given by India to Italy that provisions for death penalty will not be invoked against the two in the case related to 2012.

National Investigation Agency (NIA) has sought sanction to prosecute the two marines -- Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone -- under SUA, which states that if a person causes death to any person, he shall be punished with death.

Italy's special envoy Staffan de Mistura today that his country would "forcefully oppose" any move by Indian authorities to press charges against the two marines under an anti-terror law that carries the death penalty or to postpone a court decision, IANS reported.

Latorre and Girone -- are facing trial in India for allegedly killing two Indian fishermen after allegedly mistaking them for pirates and opening fire on their trawler.

Latorre and Girone were guarding the privately owned Italian-flagged oil-tanker MT Enrica Lexie off the coast of Kerala Feb 15, 2012.

With PTI/IANS inputs
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