Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier
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The mock-up doesn't touch down at over 200kph. How do you tow a mockup so fast that its tires make such marks on a non slip flight deck? Come up with a something better.
*sarcasm* Maybe the aircraft tugs were drifting and doing 360's on deck?
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BBC News - China's first aircraft carrier enters service
China's first aircraft carrier has entered into service, the defence ministry says.
The 300m (990ft) Liaoning - named after the province where it was refitted - is a refurbished Soviet ship purchased from Ukraine.
For now the carrier has no operational aircraft and will be used for training.
But China says the vessel, which has undergone extensive sea trials, will increase its capacity to defend state interests.
China's Premier Wen Jiabao said the ship would have "a mighty and deep significance". It would be "a cause for patriotic passion", he said at a ceremony attended by top Chinese leaders at Dalian Port.
The delivery of the aircraft carrier comes at a time when Japan and other countries in the region have expressed concern at China's growing naval strength.
China and Japan are embroiled in a row over disputed islands in the East China Sea.
Several South-east Asian nations are also at odds with China over overlapping territorial claims in the South China Sea.
It also comes weeks ahead of a party congress expected to see the transition of power to a new generation of Chinese leaders.
'Defend interests'
The Liaoning was formally handed over to the navy at a ceremony in Dalian, state-run Xinhua news agency said.
"Having the aircraft carrier enter the ranks will be of important significance in raising the overall fighting capacity of our nation's navy to a modern level," the defence ministry said in a statement.
The vessel will "increase [China's] capacity to defend, develop its capacity to co-operate on the high seas in dealing with non-traditional security threats and will be effective in defending the interests of state sovereignty, security and development", it added.
The 300m (990ft) Liaoning is a refurbished Soviet ship purchased from Ukraine
The official commissioning of the country's first aircraft carrier signals China's status as a rising power, says the BBC's Damian Grammaticas in Beijing.
The country's Communist leaders are spending billions modernising their armed forces so they can project military power far beyond China's borders.
But China does not yet have a fleet of aircraft or pilots ready for carrier operations. So the Liaoning will be used to test and train them, a task that will probably take several years, our correspondent adds.
The Liaoning, formerly known as the Varyag, was constructed in the 1980s for the Soviet navy but was never completed.
When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the Varyag sat in Ukraine's dockyards.
A Chinese company with links to China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) bought the ship just as Soviet warships were being cut for scrap.
It said it wanted to turn the Varyag into a floating casino in Macau and in 2001 the ship was towed to China.
The Chinese military confirmed in June 2011 that it was being refitted to serve as the nation's first aircraft carrier.
Analysts say it will take years to outfit the carrier with aircraft and make it fully operational. But Chinese officials say that the Liaoning advances the country's military modernisation.
"The development of aircraft carriers is an important part of China's national defence modernisation, in particular its naval forces, and this aircraft carrier is an essential stepping stone toward its own more advanced aircraft carriers in the future," China's Rear Admiral Yang Yi wrote in the state-run China Daily newspaper.
The carrier will be mostly used "for scientific research and training missions" so China could build "a more advanced aircraft carrier platform in the future", he added.
China's first aircraft carrier has entered into service, the defence ministry says.
The 300m (990ft) Liaoning - named after the province where it was refitted - is a refurbished Soviet ship purchased from Ukraine.
For now the carrier has no operational aircraft and will be used for training.
But China says the vessel, which has undergone extensive sea trials, will increase its capacity to defend state interests.
China's Premier Wen Jiabao said the ship would have "a mighty and deep significance". It would be "a cause for patriotic passion", he said at a ceremony attended by top Chinese leaders at Dalian Port.
The delivery of the aircraft carrier comes at a time when Japan and other countries in the region have expressed concern at China's growing naval strength.
China and Japan are embroiled in a row over disputed islands in the East China Sea.
Several South-east Asian nations are also at odds with China over overlapping territorial claims in the South China Sea.
It also comes weeks ahead of a party congress expected to see the transition of power to a new generation of Chinese leaders.
'Defend interests'
The Liaoning was formally handed over to the navy at a ceremony in Dalian, state-run Xinhua news agency said.
"Having the aircraft carrier enter the ranks will be of important significance in raising the overall fighting capacity of our nation's navy to a modern level," the defence ministry said in a statement.
The vessel will "increase [China's] capacity to defend, develop its capacity to co-operate on the high seas in dealing with non-traditional security threats and will be effective in defending the interests of state sovereignty, security and development", it added.
The 300m (990ft) Liaoning is a refurbished Soviet ship purchased from Ukraine
The official commissioning of the country's first aircraft carrier signals China's status as a rising power, says the BBC's Damian Grammaticas in Beijing.
The country's Communist leaders are spending billions modernising their armed forces so they can project military power far beyond China's borders.
But China does not yet have a fleet of aircraft or pilots ready for carrier operations. So the Liaoning will be used to test and train them, a task that will probably take several years, our correspondent adds.
The Liaoning, formerly known as the Varyag, was constructed in the 1980s for the Soviet navy but was never completed.
When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the Varyag sat in Ukraine's dockyards.
A Chinese company with links to China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) bought the ship just as Soviet warships were being cut for scrap.
It said it wanted to turn the Varyag into a floating casino in Macau and in 2001 the ship was towed to China.
The Chinese military confirmed in June 2011 that it was being refitted to serve as the nation's first aircraft carrier.
Analysts say it will take years to outfit the carrier with aircraft and make it fully operational. But Chinese officials say that the Liaoning advances the country's military modernisation.
"The development of aircraft carriers is an important part of China's national defence modernisation, in particular its naval forces, and this aircraft carrier is an essential stepping stone toward its own more advanced aircraft carriers in the future," China's Rear Admiral Yang Yi wrote in the state-run China Daily newspaper.
The carrier will be mostly used "for scientific research and training missions" so China could build "a more advanced aircraft carrier platform in the future", he added.
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@ 4:00, when the captain was introducing the aft takeoff position to Hu JinTao, you can see the skid marks on the deck, so the skidmarks are real. Touch-and-go was made, by an unknown type of aircraft.
Also, note the bridge interiors, though brief you could see the controls have brought up to date and certainly less cluttered than her Russian sister ship.
PS. Its awesome that Liaoning will have female officers. Women should feature in every level in China, the military included.
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I am only replying coz i assume you Come up with something which at-least enough to prove your claims..
How do you know those are marks of 200kph touchdown. ? If so where are the link and photos ?
How do you know those are marks of 200kph touchdown. ? If so where are the link and photos ?
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boss coming~
all members here,we dont need to argue about whether J15 landed or not.
first we still dont have enough evidence,only some 'footprint'
second we dont need to worry about that.we know J15 is for that and it will finally on deck.we
last all we need is to wait
all members here,we dont need to argue about whether J15 landed or not.
first we still dont have enough evidence,only some 'footprint'
second we dont need to worry about that.we know J15 is for that and it will finally on deck.we
last all we need is to wait
the first fixed wing aircraft which lands on the Liaoning might be this one
JL9G(the last one of these three) trainer
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the following will be J15(and a two seated version J15S?) ...and the shipboard version of 4th Gen fighter(actually this project has began for 5 years) ...its trainer would be L15 shipboard version. now 4 R&D teams from Shenyang ,Guiyang ,Chengdu, Hongdu are working on the shipboard fixed wing aircrafst...these are confirmed projects...but the future of SAC 31001 jet is not certain.
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JL9G(the last one of these three) trainer
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the following will be J15(and a two seated version J15S?) ...and the shipboard version of 4th Gen fighter(actually this project has began for 5 years) ...its trainer would be L15 shipboard version. now 4 R&D teams from Shenyang ,Guiyang ,Chengdu, Hongdu are working on the shipboard fixed wing aircrafst...these are confirmed projects...but the future of SAC 31001 jet is not certain.
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The Ship have similar config as the Russian CV, Its a Steam turbine ship with 8 boilers to run...
When inside dock it is towed by tug boats, To start a steam turbine ship it takes hours..
When inside dock it is towed by tug boats, To start a steam turbine ship it takes hours..
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Interesting read. Logical if we consider this article suggests there is little military significance to the ship according to the Chinese.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/w...t-carrier-but-experts-are-skeptical.html?_r=1
China Launches Carrier, but Experts Doubt Its Worth
BEIJING — In a ceremony attended by the country's top leaders, China put its first aircraft carrier into service on Tuesday, a move intended to signal its growing military might as tensions escalate between Beijing and its neighbors over islands in nearby seas.
Officials said the carrier, a discarded vessel bought from Ukraine in 1998 and refurbished by China, would protect national sovereignty, an issue that has become a touchstone of the government's dispute with Japan over ownership of islands in the East China Sea.
But despite the triumphant tone of the launching, which was watched by President Hu Jintao and Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, and despite rousing assessments by Chinese military experts about the importance of the carrier, the vessel will be used only for training and testing for the foreseeable future.
The mark "16" on the carrier's side indicates that it is limited to training, Chinese and other military experts said. China does not have planes capable of landing on the carrier and so far training for such landings has been carried out on land, they said.
Even so, the public appearance of the carrier at the northeastern port of Dalian was used as an occasion to stir patriotic feelings, which have run at fever pitch in the last 10 days over the dispute between China and Japan over the East China Sea islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China.
The carrier will "raise the overall operational strength of the Chinese Navy" and help China "to effectively protect national sovereignty, security and development interests," the Ministry of Defense said.
The Communist Party congress that will begin the country's once-in-a-decade leadership transition is expected to be held next month, and the public unveiling of the carrier appeared to be part of an effort to forge national unity ahead of the event.
For international purposes, the public unveiling of the carrier seemed intended to signal to smaller nations in the South China Sea, including the Philippines, an American ally, that China has an increasing number of impressive assets to deploy.
American military planners have played down the significance of the commissioning of the carrier. Some Navy officials have even said they would encourage China to move ahead with building its own aircraft carrier and the ships to accompany it, because it would be a waste of money.
Other military experts outside China have agreed with that assessment.
"The fact is the aircraft carrier is useless for the Chinese Navy," You Ji, a visiting senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore, said in an interview. "If it is used against America, it has no survivability. If it is used against China's neighbors, it's a sign of bullying."
Vietnam, a neighbor with whom China has fought wars, operates land-based Russian Su-30 aircraft that could pose a threat to the aircraft carrier, Mr. You said. "In the South China Sea, if the carrier is damaged by the Vietnamese, it's a huge loss of face," he said. "It's not worth it."
Up to now, Chinese pilots have been limited to practicing simulated carrier landings on concrete strips on land in Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MIG-23s produced about 25 years ago, Mr. You said. The pilots could not undertake the difficult maneuver of landing on a moving carrier because China does not yet have suitable aircraft, Mr. You said.
The question of whether China will move ahead and build its own carrier depends in large part, he said, on whether China can develop aircraft to land on one. "It's a long, long process for constructing such aircraft," he said.
In contrast to some of the skepticism expressed by military experts outside China, Li Jie, a researcher at the Chinese Naval Research Institute, said in an interview in the state-run People's Daily that the carrier would change the Chinese Navy's traditional mind-set and bring qualitative changes to its operational style and structure, he said.
Although the Chinese military does not publish a breakdown of its military spending, foreign military experts say the navy is less well financed than the army and air force.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/w...t-carrier-but-experts-are-skeptical.html?_r=1
China Launches Carrier, but Experts Doubt Its Worth
BEIJING — In a ceremony attended by the country's top leaders, China put its first aircraft carrier into service on Tuesday, a move intended to signal its growing military might as tensions escalate between Beijing and its neighbors over islands in nearby seas.
Officials said the carrier, a discarded vessel bought from Ukraine in 1998 and refurbished by China, would protect national sovereignty, an issue that has become a touchstone of the government's dispute with Japan over ownership of islands in the East China Sea.
But despite the triumphant tone of the launching, which was watched by President Hu Jintao and Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, and despite rousing assessments by Chinese military experts about the importance of the carrier, the vessel will be used only for training and testing for the foreseeable future.
The mark "16" on the carrier's side indicates that it is limited to training, Chinese and other military experts said. China does not have planes capable of landing on the carrier and so far training for such landings has been carried out on land, they said.
Even so, the public appearance of the carrier at the northeastern port of Dalian was used as an occasion to stir patriotic feelings, which have run at fever pitch in the last 10 days over the dispute between China and Japan over the East China Sea islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China.
The carrier will "raise the overall operational strength of the Chinese Navy" and help China "to effectively protect national sovereignty, security and development interests," the Ministry of Defense said.
The Communist Party congress that will begin the country's once-in-a-decade leadership transition is expected to be held next month, and the public unveiling of the carrier appeared to be part of an effort to forge national unity ahead of the event.
For international purposes, the public unveiling of the carrier seemed intended to signal to smaller nations in the South China Sea, including the Philippines, an American ally, that China has an increasing number of impressive assets to deploy.
American military planners have played down the significance of the commissioning of the carrier. Some Navy officials have even said they would encourage China to move ahead with building its own aircraft carrier and the ships to accompany it, because it would be a waste of money.
Other military experts outside China have agreed with that assessment.
"The fact is the aircraft carrier is useless for the Chinese Navy," You Ji, a visiting senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore, said in an interview. "If it is used against America, it has no survivability. If it is used against China's neighbors, it's a sign of bullying."
Vietnam, a neighbor with whom China has fought wars, operates land-based Russian Su-30 aircraft that could pose a threat to the aircraft carrier, Mr. You said. "In the South China Sea, if the carrier is damaged by the Vietnamese, it's a huge loss of face," he said. "It's not worth it."
Up to now, Chinese pilots have been limited to practicing simulated carrier landings on concrete strips on land in Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MIG-23s produced about 25 years ago, Mr. You said. The pilots could not undertake the difficult maneuver of landing on a moving carrier because China does not yet have suitable aircraft, Mr. You said.
The question of whether China will move ahead and build its own carrier depends in large part, he said, on whether China can develop aircraft to land on one. "It's a long, long process for constructing such aircraft," he said.
In contrast to some of the skepticism expressed by military experts outside China, Li Jie, a researcher at the Chinese Naval Research Institute, said in an interview in the state-run People's Daily that the carrier would change the Chinese Navy's traditional mind-set and bring qualitative changes to its operational style and structure, he said.
Although the Chinese military does not publish a breakdown of its military spending, foreign military experts say the navy is less well financed than the army and air force.
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The question of whether China will move ahead and build its own carrier depends in large part, he said, on whether China can develop aircraft to land on one. "It's a long, long process for constructing such aircraft"
This statement just ruined the author's whole argument... He's basically saying that China refurbished this carrier from an empty hulk to a fully functioning modern vessel with xxx billion CNY and didn't develop a fighter for it, when we've all seen the announcements of the J15 last year, we've seen them in training at the navies new carrier flight ops academy. We've all seen the new naval JL9 trainers and most importantly, we've all seen what seems to be a carrier-borne 5th gen fighter in the J31...
The "China isn't advanced enough to do it" argument has fallen flat on its face more than once. This is another "China cant write up an advanced avionics suite for the J20" argument or "China doesn't have the targeting capability to employ the DF21D" or even "Liaoning doesn't have arrestor gear". Doubters, even if presented with evidence that an advanced Chinese weapons system exists, will always find excuses to criticize it on what they cant see in a pic. People hear like Trackwack before Liaoning's arrestor cables were installed, were claiming that J15's would be ditching into the sea because we COULDN'T make our own arrestor gear. Only when they SAW the cables were they satisfied, so there's really nothing to do but wait till J15's and JLH9's become a regular feature on Liaoning's deck, otherwise, there'll always be doubter.
Why would we build a 5th gen fighter if we cant develop an advanced avionics suite? Why build a carrier if you cant build jets for it? Why make a ASBM if you cant provide targeting for it? Call the PLA and CCP what you want, but they are anything but stupid.
"Chinese pilots have been limited to practicing simulated carrier landings on concrete strips on land in Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MIG-23s produced about 25 years ago"?
1. Its common knowledge that the PLAN selected its carrier pilots from its best PLANAF MKK and J10 pilots, why then would you train them on a 3rd gen fighter like the J8 after they've earned their stripes on full fledged 4th gen aircraft?
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Pics like this prove that PLAN pilots HAVE been training with J15s off landbased ski jumps. Note the ski jump on the runway on the far side of the photo and the J15. This also being supported by reports of the PLAN building NIKITTA like flight op academies. I haven't seen or heard of J8's flying off ski jumps though, have you?
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The PLAN has been using the JL9 for 4th gen fighter training for a while now, and we're seeing more n more pics of tail hook equipped JL9's as the carrier borne fighter program expands.
Not forgetting the new JLH9 with DSI intakes, leading-edge slats, improved cockpit and enlarged wings and tail fins.
The J8 claim is just laughable
My last counter is, considering that Liaoning is the better carrier in almost every aspect (eg. aircraft carried, deck space, elevator location, sortie generation etc etc) as compared to Vikramaditya, if Liaoning is a paper tiger, then what is Vikramaditya? You cant claim that ex-Gorshkov will be useful to the IN yet claim that Liaoning, which is superior to her in almost every way, is worthless.. Cant have it both ways.
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