Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

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AC is just a tool to bully small and mid-size countries.

to a war among USA, Russia and CHina, AC groups are just white elephants and would be destoryed in weeks after war were to break out!
The Soviets could, right now China and Russia are too far behind US technology and naval superiority to even pose a mild challenge on the oceans, for the USN carrier groups to be irrelevant.

The real problem is envisioning a role for the carrier groups, USN carrier groups don't have planes to provide air support for the naval ships, they are there to strike over land (enemy territory), their navy has ships and submarines which together hold more land strike capability(long range cruise missiles) than the rest of the world combined, they hold this lead by a margin many times over the combined world total. USN can sink any navy, or a combination of them over sea in a week.

Now you have Russia and PRC, they have invested heavily on their air defence network over the last few decades and the naval planes without the advantage of stealth will not fare so well alone, and Russia and PRC have SAM systems that follow the Soviet ways, mobile and advanced.

So in effect on its own the Navy wont make a difference over land, however they will be very useful when you consider that USA still has the biggest air force in the world to make sure that they do make a difference when you consider the entire military.

However consider this, USN can land marines anywhere in the world, while providing total air superiority to them, it has the range to support land operations anywhere in the world, has more fighter planes than entire nations posses, that gives them a power projection capability unmatched by anyone, and by default makes them the power which can settle military issues over the oceans.
 
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our carrier pilots will beat theirs any day,so dont dare t look at us
 

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Correct grammar would give this statement slightly more credibility but not much.
What kind of 'credibility' are you looking for?

How many years' experience have you had operating from carriers anyway?

Nitpicking at a missing vowel in someone's post might make you look good, but only for so long.
 

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reality seems hard to swallow for some ppl here. I think it will take china at least a decade to catch up with india; with f35, it would take them much longer.
 

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Atul, the jet on the deck is not FC-1 (JF-17), it is chinese A-5, an attack originated from Mig19. A-5 was very popular in PLAAF, PAK AF, and middle east, african AF.
 

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if conflict happened in future& indian navy got f-35 those mighty chinese carriers kisses the bed of the sea!
 

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one question come in mind is russia helping china behind the door

is not indirect help to china by delaying our AC

is not russia a doubtful by delaying and price increase
 

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Here comes the Cheap Su-33 copy, oh wait, it has 2 chinese engines?

 
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And the evil and mighty propaganda machine: CCTV broadcast the conference of Military Department which confirmed that China is building AC, officially, first time ever
 

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China Defends Carrier, But Neighbors Worry

China's neighbors are worried its aircraft carrier program may in time intimidate regional rivals but its military on July 28 defended the plan as vital for maritime security.

A day after China confirmed it was refitting an old Soviet vessel, and sources told Reuters it was building two of its own carriers, the official Liberation Army Daily stressed the mix of patriotic glory-seeking and future security worries behind the decision.

China's humiliations at the hands of Western powers in the past centuries "left the Chinese people with the deep pain of having seas they could not defend, helplessly eating the bitter fruit of being beaten for being backward," said a front-page editorial in the paper.

That trend is changing as Beijing ramps up its military spending while Washington discusses cutting its much larger defense budget. Growing Chinese military reach is triggering regional jitters that have fed into longstanding territorial disputes, and could speed up military expansion across Asia.

In the past year, China has had run-ins at sea with Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines. The incidents -- boat crashes and charges of territorial incursions -- have been minor, but the diplomatic reaction often heated.

"The issue of transparency regarding China's defence policy and its military expansion itself are concerns not only for Japan but for the region and the international community," Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said July 28.

In the 2012 budget submitted to its Congress this week, the Philippines wants to raise military spending to 8 billion pesos ($190 million) per year from a previous 5 billion.

"China's new carrier demonstrates the current phase of China's military modernization. The Philippines cannot match this modernisation trend," said Rommel Banlaoi, executive director at the Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research.

"But it serves as a clarion call for the Philippines to also upgrade its military capability to patrol its waters," he said.

The Chinese carrier program could fuel the drive for submarines in Southeast Asia, said Rory Medcalf, program director of International Security at the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney.


"There is already a submarine race, or submarine capability competition, in the region. This could add to that dynamic but I do not think it will be fundamental driver of it," he said.

South Korea also disputes territory with China, which is also the major backer of the principal threat to security on the Korean peninsula, the North.

"In the past, China could only criticise the Americans whenever a U.S. aircraft carrier entered the Yellow Sea off of the South Korean coast," said Moon Hong-sik, research fellow at the Institute for National Security Strategy in Seoul. "Now, they are capable of displaying their own show of force in response to an American carrier deployment in close proximity to China."

PROTECT NATIONAL INTEREST

As well as refitting the old Soviet-era carrier bought from Ukraine in 1998, China is building two indigenous aircraft carriers as part of a broad modernization program, sources told Reuters on July 27.

"Putting it in the overall context of China's expanding and modernizing military, there is some cause for concern," said Daniel Pinkston of the International Crisis Group in Seoul.

"When we ask what they will do, or might do, with the growing capability, there is greater concern these days about the uncertainties that lie ahead with the South China Sea."

Others point to India, China's great rival as an emerging Asian economic and military powerhouse.

"If the Chinese leave the west Pacific, there's only one areas they're interested in, the Indian Ocean. In that sense, competition with (India) is inevitable," said Raja Menon, a former rear admiral in the Indian navy.

China's Liberation Army Daily pointed to future risks as a rationale for the carrier programme, which will take many years to create an operational carrier force.

"The struggle to win maritime interests is increasingly intense," the editorial added. A powerful navy is "an inevitable choice for protecting China's increasingly globalised national interests," said the paper.

President Hu Jintao has made the navy a keystone of China's military ramp-up, and the carriers will be among the most visible signs of the country's rising military prowess.

"An aircraft carrier is a battle platform that can be used for offence or defence, and that fundamentally rests on a country's defense policy and military strategy," said the paper.

"China's development is the development of a force for peace."



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2011-07-27 one yellow,one grey,by far the most clear photos of PLA J-15 fighters.
The importance was ppl said two J-15's jet engines not like Russia AL-31,shorter than it. It was likely both of them installed domestic TH-10 jet engines.


 

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Varyag - Strait of Istanbul

 
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China's navy carrier to begin maiden voyage soon
China's navy carrier to begin maiden voyage soon - People's Daily Online

08:37, August 02, 2011

China'S first aircraft carrier is nearing completion and could embark on its initial sea trials as soon as the middle of this month, according to an official.

Scaffolding has been removed from the Varyag, the vessel bought from Ukraine in 1998 and which is being fitted out at a shipyard in Dalian in northeast China's Liaoning Province, the Oriental Morning Post reported yesterday.

There has been a fall in the number of workers on the warship recently, while an increasing number of naval soldiers in white hats and blue uniforms could be seen training on the ship.

At around 5pm on Sunday, more than 200 naval soldiers were seen forming ranks on the warship and dispersed after 30 minutes.

This was an indication that the carrier's maiden voyage would be soon, an official close to the Chinese military told the newspaper.

The Chinese Navy Command has appointed 50-year-old Li Xiaoyan, a senior colonel in the Chinese Navy, to command the ship, the official said.

The official said another three Navy officials were appointed deputy captains along with Li at the beginning of the year.

He said Li and another seven Navy officials began training at the Guangzhou Naval Academy in 2008. They were then dispatched to the Varyag last December.

Li, from northeast China's Jilin Province, was a member of the country's first warship academy class in 1987 mainly for aircraft carrier commanders and among the country's first group of commanders who could both pilot aircraft and sail warships.

Cao Weidong, a researcher with the PLA Navy's Academic Research Institute, said the Varyag was a conventionally powered medium-sized carrier that would be equipped with Chinese engines, aircraft, radar and other hardware.

Source: Shanghai Daily
 

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Indian Carrier pilots where trained in USA, Russia, UK and India when Vikramadity is in docks, did the Chinese pilots get similar training or will training begin once the Ship is commissioned??
 

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Indian Carrier pilots where trained in USA, Russia, UK and India when Vikramadity is in docks, did the Chinese pilots get similar training or will training begin once the Ship is commissioned??
They are already training on a simulated aircraft carrier by the time PLAN 1st carrier is deployed it will have trained pilots..
















 

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if conflict happened in future& indian navy got f-35 those mighty chinese carriers kisses the bed of the sea!
Wow,F-35~

that really cost a lot of money.

but u know what? india is really more rich than china.our government even dont have chance to buy it.

however,i still doubt those mean PLAs would buy mass f-35s if they could~~

PLA r really mean guys
 

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