Kulbhushan Jadhav - Developments

[Vinod DX9]

India has right to seek consular access: Judge Ronny Abraham #KulbhushanVerdict

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Pak army is showing itself to be utterly mad. If they ignore ICJ verdict, it effectively signals the end of IWT. India can legitimately ignore any meeting of Indus Water Commission and block all the water.

 

[raheel besharam]

"India ne bhi apna ek judge bitha rakha hai, jo ki hindu hai"

this is the line i heard from a paki penalist on ary news....

 

[sayareakd]

Pakistanis read legal books which India write and put in foreign lawyers to argue its case: ICJ says no evidence put up by Pakistan........... Amazing part: 11 judges at the ICJ were unanimous................

 

[Vinod DX9]

Historic slap for Pakistan's 'justice' system. International Court of Justice stays execution of Kulbhushan Jadhav until final order.

 

[mendosa]

it won't be just a fire assault. modi needs to come back to power in 2019. expect a major HVT elimination or recapture of some parts of PoK.

Are bhai expect karneko toh hum Azad Baluchistan bhi expect kar le. Expectation pe thodi ni tax lagta hai. Deliver kare toh sahi.

Whatever action India takes has to be military, which Pakistan would have already accounted for through war gaming. They would have already calculated the chain of escalation and decided that it will not escalate beyond a certain point because China and US will intervene, and human life has no value in Pakistan, least of all the human life of footsoldiers in salwarkameez.

What a shameful situation we have arrived at. An empire like Maurya which used to send shivers down the spines of neighboring countries, has today been reduced to going to some foreign nation and reading some legal technicalities to beg a third power to intervene to get a failed state to stop the execution of a man. And people are even celebrating it.

"Miilaard, meelard as per Article 30, clause 4.5, page number 11..."

We have allowed them to make a fool of us in front of the whole world and this is a nation which wants to become Vishwaguru

Pakistan is a country where even being defeated by India is seen as some sort of David versus Goliath victory. They declared 1965 to be a victory simply because Pakistan lived to tell the tale. What do you think they are going to do this time when they were able to use one person to bring an entire nation to its knees and change its policy of isolating Pakistan?

Had we cultivated the covert capability to kidnap the family of a 4 star Pakistani jernail, this matter would have been resolved much earlier without making a fool of ourselves in front of everyone.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Well ICJ verdict technically can be ignored only if it falls under ambit of sovereignty. China used the same logic for South China sea but ICJ has clearly stated that this is a case of violation of Vienna convention and not about sovereignty . So if Paki does not accept the verdict, it effectively relinquishes all its legal rights under international law including UN security council resolutions on kashmir, Indus water treaty. India can simply ignore Indus water commission as Pakistan has to go to same ICJ for redress.Effectively its pakiland not India which is screwed.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Are bhai expect karneko toh hum Azad Baluchistan bhi expect kar le. Expectation pe thodi ni tax lagta hai. Deliver kare toh sahi.

Whatever action India takes has to be military, which Pakistan would have already accounted for through war gaming. They would have already calculated the chain of escalation and decided that it will not escalate beyond a certain point because China and US will intervene, and human life has no value in Pakistan, least of all the human life of footsoldiers in salwarkameez.

What a shameful situation we have arrived at. An empire like Maurya which used to send shivers down the spines of neighboring countries, has today been reduced to going to some foreign nation and reading some legal technicalities to beg a third power to intervene to get a failed state to stop the execution of a man. And people are even celebrating it.

"Miilaard, meelard as per Article 30, clause 4.5, page number 11..."

And this is a nation which wants to become Vishwaguru

Lol, I think you are badly mistaken. By ignoring this verdict , Pakiland will effectively end all its privileges under international law. Indus Water treaty is now dead.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Also UN security council resolutions which are backbone of Pak kashmir policy will become useless as India can argue that Pakiland simply cannot be trusted to follow international law. This verdict is very very powerful tool in our hands. In fact I may not be surprised if jadhav was betrayed by RAW itself because as per reports he belonged to DIA not RAW and RAW does not tolerate intrusions into its domain. His case is landmark as Pak if it does not obey will loose all international priveleges including IWT and SC resolutions.

 

[raheel besharam]

Pak will face sanctions from the UN if it doesn't comply with the ICJ's order: Harish Salve

 

[ezsasa]

Now ideally we should start a campaign for proof of life..

 

[ezsasa]

Pak will face sanctions from the UN if it doesn't comply with the ICJ's order: Harish Salve

Sanctions will be vetoed by china..

 

[Amrk]

Same situation exists on the paki forum, they are all for hanging Jadhav anyway, comparing themselves to US, saying ICJ has no jurisdiction in this case but it does in IWT case.
They say KJ is a spy, sometimes he becomes a terrorist who caused the death of 100s of Pakis, no one ever talks about the fact that Pakis haven't provided a shred of evidence of his supposedly monstrous acts even after India gave them a golden chance just now.
It's obvious that no such proof exists, I don't know how stupid Paki generals have become that they tried to pull such a childish stunt.

 

[mendosa]

Lol, I think you are badly mistaken. By ignoring this verdict , Pakiland will effectively end all its privileges under international law. Indus Water treaty is now dead.

Also UN security council resolutions which are backbone of Pak kashmir policy will become useless as India can argue that ..

It's such an intelligent retort, I don't know what to say.

The UN security resolutions have already been rendered useless after the UN removed Kashmir from its list of disputed regions in 2010. It is not the UN which is standing between India and POK, that matter is unresolved because of Pakistani military occupation of POK, not because of some legal judgement.

Indus water treaty is held in place not by legal order but because of US and European pressure on India. US and EU have made huge investments to build hydroelectric dams on the Pakistani side of Indus and they are the ones who have pressurized India from stopping water to their projects.

Being on the right side of the legal argument is not solving any of our problems. It needs to be solved like 1971. If things could have been resolved legally, then Raja Harisingh's accession document would have been enough for the whole of Kashmir to be under our writ already.

 

[Krusty]

Even if ICJ receives India’s supplication and asks Pakistan not to execute Jadhav, “nothing can stop Pakistan to go ahead and accomplish him”.

Yes, then Pakistan can never go to UN or any international forum crying if India unilaterally scraps IWT. Everything is connected buddy.

 

[ezsasa]

Better put the entire country on high alert.

History has shown Paki army doesn't mind arty firing and loosing a few soldiers/civilians but they take loosing face seriously.

Expect a tango attack in next couple of weeks.

 

[mendosa]

Yes, then Pakistan can never go to UN or any international forum crying if India unilaterally scraps IWT. Everything is connected buddy.

IWT is held in place by World Bank obligations, India cannot scrap it unilaterally. The big powers have made big hydropower investments on the Indus and that's what ensures that it will remain.

This euphoria reminds me of 26/11 when everyone and their grandmother was convinced that India is going to invade Pakistan the next day. 10 years have passed and news is coming in that RAW arranged for the admission of Sayed Salahuddin's son in a medical college. This is how the Baniya brain works.

Let's not underestimate India's unlimited ability to do nothing.

I like what @ezsasa is saying. The very fact that India did not have the coercive options to squeeze Pakistan to surrender Kulbhushan and had to run to a third party intermediary itself is seen as a triumph by the Punjabi brain. They will be the ones who will open celebratory fire first to rub our noses in.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

It's such an intelligent retort, I don't know what to say.

The UN security resolutions have already been rendered useless after the UN removed Kashmir from its list of disputed regions in 2010. It is not the UN which is standing between India and POK, that matter is unresolved because of Pakistani military occupation of POK, not because of some legal judgement.

Indus water treaty is held in place not by legal order but because of US and European pressure. They have built hydroelectric dams on the Pakistani side of Indus and they are the ones who have pressurized India from stopping water.

Being on the right side of the legal argument is not solving any of our problems. It needs to be solved like 1971.

Lol wrong on both counts. UN security council resolution still stands and while Paki occupation of POK is an obstacle so is India's refusal to guarantee a plebiscite. By removing Kashmir from list of active disputes, it does not negate UN security council resolution- not following this verdict NEGATES it in TOTO. IWT is a legally binding agreement for both India and Pak, after this Pakistan is effectively ceding its rights under international law. best part is that this verdict has no relation to sovereignty so it cannot be ignored by Pak. If pak ignores this verdict, it is effectively:
1) Ending all its privileges under international law including indus water treaty and UN security council resolution.
2) Effectively ending its rights under international contract law which means no international bank will invest in Pak
3) Giving India full freedom to call UNSC resolution and IWT infructous effectively ending Pak's stance on kashmir because Pak has not implemented the basic of international law.

Going to UNSC if Pak does not follow ICJ order will be a horrendous blunder as China will veto it and both India and Pak will be equated for not followiing international law. By keeping it at ICJ, we have won a huuuuge victory as Pakistan's stance on all issues becomes zero.

 

[Krusty]

IWT is held in place by World Bank obligations, India cannot scrap it unilaterally. The big powers have made big hydropower investments on the Indus and that's what ensures that it will remain.

This euphoria reminds me of 26/11 when everyone and their grandmother was convinced that India is going to invade Pakistan the next day. 10 years have passed and news is coming in that RAW arranged for the admission of Sayed Salahuddin's son in a medical college. This is how the Baniya brain works.

Let's not underestimate India's unlimited ability to do nothing.

And as usual, Pakistan 1 - India 0

This will atleast mean Pakistan cannot bitch about Kashmir in the UN. All of the outstanding issues and the progress made by Pakistan in jnternational fora would by default be negated.

Still, I think it's safe to say India has amply demonstrated its ability to do squat. We probably might send dossiers, light up the LOC at the max as per our usual 'befitting reply' routine. It will mean nothing for Pakistan. It has won this round.

 

[vinuzap]

congrats to indian legal team for exposing and humiliating pakistan again internationally