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Pakistan says India’s Rafale deal will disturb balance of power
 

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Su30 mki and mig 29 pilots would be so jealous like a coworker buying Audi while you're stuck with bolero.



She is not wrong because she's thinking from Indian mindset. Some Indians are too naive or living in utopian world of peace that they don't realize what lies outside Indian army firewall at borders. A pampered generation will talk like this.
A way to be cool,iissshtyle,delhi me hai toh jnu connection hoga
 

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Is there any possibility for ordering additional rafales, Negotiations of a deal are happening for 18 months, If we announce a deal now, Negotiations can take over 18 months, are we waiting for 36 Rafale deliveries to be completed and then finalize the next deal?, which means for 2 years we wont be inducting any rafales?
 

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Is there any possibility for ordering additional rafales, Negotiations of a deal are happening for 18 months, If we announce a deal now, Negotiations can take over 18 months, are we waiting for 36 Rafale deliveries to be completed and then finalize the next deal?, which means for 2 years we wont be inducting any rafales?
Budget , we also need's budget for other purchases's .
 

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Is there any possibility for ordering additional rafales, Negotiations of a deal are happening for 18 months, If we announce a deal now, Negotiations can take over 18 months, are we waiting for 36 Rafale deliveries to be completed and then finalize the next deal?, which means for 2 years we wont be inducting any rafales?
It's a logical move to order more Rafales to get 2-3 squadrons worth of order because,

1. The fate of MMRCA 2 is uncertain; even under fast track processing of tender it will take atleast 2-3 years for conclusion of deal , at around 2023-2024. Given, the ordered tranche of 36 Rafale will arrive here by 2022, so it's better to order more Rafale under the Existing Arrangement to obtain fast track delivery of 36-48 more airframes till MMRCA come to fruition. Or even if this tender also bites the dust, these purchases will certainly hedge the risk till our domestic solutions get matured (MWF, Tejas).

2. Having paid billions in ISE and logistics support, it will be criminal stupidity to not order more Rafales to exploit full benefit of these enhancements. 2 Squadron worth of aircraft can't defend a large country like India with hostile neighborhood.
 

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It's a logical move to order more Rafales to get 2-3 squadrons worth of order because,

1. The fate of MMRCA 2 is uncertain; even under fast track processing of tender it will take atleast 2-3 years for conclusion of deal , at around 2023-2024. Given, the ordered tranche of 36 Rafale will arrive here by 2022, so it's better to order more Rafale under the Existing Arrangement to obtain fast track delivery of 36-48 more airframes till MMRCA come to fruition. Or even if this tender also bites the dust, these purchases will certainly hedge the risk till our domestic solutions get matured (MWF, Tejas).

2. Having paid billions in ISE and logistics support, it will be criminal stupidity to not order more Rafales to exploit full benefit of these enhancements. 2 Squadron worth of aircraft can't defend a large country like India with hostile neighborhood.
Any nation where National Security issues are provided Bipartisan support will certainly do so. General Ved Pradish Malik in his book Kargil from Surprise to Victory has stated that " Opposition parties slam government for lack of defence preparedness, but create of lot of problems when an new equipment is purchased by the government for force modernization, this forces Government to tread very cautiously on import capital items for armed forces which leads to lot of delay". BJP should take one more risk of ordering additional 36 Rafales even if its politically disadvantage one.

Please clear my doubts regarding MMRCA? are we going to evaluvate all the Jets like Rafale, Eurothyphoon Fighter, Gripen, F-18, F-21 or F-16 Block 70 from the start? like they did for MMRCA 1? how long it would take to finalize an aircraft? Negotiations? Off set clauses? It may take a decade or so?
 

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It's a logical move to order more Rafales to get 2-3 squadrons worth of order because,

1. The fate of MMRCA 2 is uncertain; even under fast track processing of tender it will take atleast 2-3 years for conclusion of deal , at around 2023-2024. Given, the ordered tranche of 36 Rafale will arrive here by 2022, so it's better to order more Rafale under the Existing Arrangement to obtain fast track delivery of 36-48 more airframes till MMRCA come to fruition. Or even if this tender also bites the dust, these purchases will certainly hedge the risk till our domestic solutions get matured (MWF, Tejas).

2. Having paid billions in ISE and logistics support, it will be criminal stupidity to not order more Rafales to exploit full benefit of these enhancements. 2 Squadron worth of aircraft can't defend a large country like India with hostile neighborhood.
With the money already paid for indian specifics, it is high unlikely that another 36 will not be purchased.
The real question is "what about after these 72 ?"
I think at least a third air base, in front of China, to be Rafale adapted.
 

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Please clear my doubts regarding MMRCA? are we going to evaluvate all the Jets like Rafale, Eurothyphoon Fighter, Gripen, F-18, F-21 or F-16 Block 70 from the start? like they did for MMRCA 1? how long it would take to finalize an aircraft? Negotiations? Off set clauses? It may take a decade or so?
Maybe only the new contenders, as regarding the dynamic spec.
The focus may be on the weapon system only (radar, IRST, elecronic counter measures, sensor fusion...)
 

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Waiting for the day when IAF will come up with these sort of videos, but it's probably a couple of decades away.
Rafale intercepting a Cessna (I am guessing) in the video.
 

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Any nation where National Security issues are provided Bipartisan support will certainly do so. General Ved Pradish Malik in his book Kargil from Surprise to Victory has stated that " Opposition parties slam government for lack of defence preparedness, but create of lot of problems when an new equipment is purchased by the government for force modernization, this forces Government to tread very cautiously on import capital items for armed forces which leads to lot of delay". BJP should take one more risk of ordering additional 36 Rafales even if its politically disadvantage one.

Please clear my doubts regarding MMRCA? are we going to evaluvate all the Jets like Rafale, Eurothyphoon Fighter, Gripen, F-18, F-21 or F-16 Block 70 from the start? like they did for MMRCA 1? how long it would take to finalize an aircraft? Negotiations? Off set clauses? It may take a decade or so?
Agree to your first part; National security is non negotiable. Govt. should do everything to what the forces deemed suitable for the defense of country particularly in this precarious situation of hostilities at two fronts. My proposition is to give IAF aircraft of their own choice first, after all as an end user, they have to keep the machine running and fight with it. Then think about the other solutions to support your own cause. Or more simply, let the IAF purchase 2-3 more squadrons of Rafales with the best weaponry. Once they are satisfied, push them on board with indigenous projects like MWF and AMCA with separate funding created under Strategic Project funds.

AFAIK, MMRCA was originally brainchild of Late Mr. Manohar Parrikar (in aftermath of failure of MRCA 1), where as per his assessment, he found that double engine aircraft are expensive both in purchase as well as operating costs (Great Idea !!). As majority of IAF fleet is single engine jets like Migs, he thought it would be prudent to have a single jet fighters for their replacement. But later due to bad precedence set by Augusta Westland scam, the Law ministry suggested to not limit the competition by specifying number of engines in the tender. Hence, came the MMRCA 2.0, where all aircrafts F-16, Gripen, to Su 35 or F-15 will contest with Make in India component.

But now this has embroiled into a tricky position. Where if a low cost Single engined aircraft i.e. F-21/Gripen NG is selected , it would kill the requirement of another single engine aircraft (Tejas MWF) hence aborting the whole Swadeshi/HAL project. Now if you go for Rafale, "Where is the Money, Honey? " would be the pertinent question before the Govt. Most of such lofty projects were launched during 2015-2016 under the assumption that Indian economy will grow at minimum 8-9 %, hence the revenue will increase so is the Def Budget. But sadly, it didn't happen and we are seeing scrambling for funds by the govt to save their butt to support socio-economic welfare programs and at the same time balancing the bare minimum needs of country's defense.
 

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With the money already paid for indian specifics, it is high unlikely that another 36 will not be purchased.
The real question is "what about after these 72 ?"
I think at least a third air base, in front of China, to be Rafale adapted.
Even though it seems most logical and prudent solution, so far no signs are coming from Govt. for that. Spooked by their own campaign for self dependence during Covid onslaught, the Govt. is shying with announcing off-the-shelf purchase of another 36 as of now. May be next year, till the picture gets more clear about the fate of MMRCA 2, any decision related to another tranche of Rafale seems unlikely.

I am no defense expert or IAF veteran, but I feel 72-90 Rafales are good enough for India by virtue of its so called Advanced omni-role capabilities. Also, it will let the domestic sector with their own solutions grow and mature (may be not as capable as Rafale but they would compensate by quantity.)
 

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What, in India, is the point of view of Indian Navy for the MRCBF [Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter] :

Are they prefering Rafale or SH18 ?
Budgetary hurdles will delay it's , may go for the TEDBF .
 

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What, in India, is the point of view of Indian Navy for the MRCBF [Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter] :

Are they prefering Rafale or SH18 ?
SH-18 chances are very high, given the goodwill earned by Boeing after delivery of multiple aircraft (C-17 to Chinooks, P8I etc) on time. Plus, they offered the F18 to demonstrate & qualify Ski jump on Indian AC. So far no such offer made news from Dassault Aviation regarding Rafale -M.
 

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SH-18 chances are very high, given the goodwill earned by Boeing after delivery of multiple aircraft (C-17 to Chinooks, P8I etc) on time. Plus, they offered the F18 to demonstrate & qualify Ski jump on Indian AC. So far no such offer made news from Dassault Aviation regarding Rafale -M.
But if the budget's allow for it .
 

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How about a little detour low level supersonic run at 100 ft over Karachi to get to Ambala, that would be trolling of the highest order. Damn already 12 years of fucking waiting, finally new wings.

A McCallan 12 years will bring this day to a joyous close, also 7 years anniversary today so whether the IAF ready or not, there will be a deep penetration surgical strike today for God and Country. :india:
Fati padi hai Chinese Pakis ki.... their typical "Disturb balance of power" randi rona rants. They are so confused as some says it doesn't matter but internally they know all about Dara's capabilities and their Chini copied junk. :rofl:

Just 5 Dara's have made their panties in a twist.


RAF + ALE = RAFALE, (ALE) CARTOON pic mein fit nahi hua.
BTW very very heart touching pic. If Hon'ble Mr. Manohar Parikar would have been alive, we wouldn't be running for emergency purchases due enemy at the gate syndrome. We would have got self reliant in many armament technologies.
I have already named it as DaRa Singh in the honor of the legend.

DaRa = Dassault Rafael

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