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In my view, It still a have export potential ..
If kaveri has to stay, Then it must mass produce for following points ..
If kaveri has to stay, Then it must mass produce for following points ..
Source : :: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::Gujarat: A MiG-21 fighter jet of the Indian Air Force today crashed near Bed village in Gujarat's Jamnagar disrtict.The pilot was able to eject safely before the crash. The jet was on a routine exercise mission."The pilot safely ejected and landed in tide-pool created by the sea water near the spot," said Suerintendent of Police Neeraj Badgujar.The pilot who has sustained minor injuries was rescued by an Indian Air Force (IAF) chopper immediately after the crash.A court inquiry has been initiated to determine the cause of the crash.This is the second MiG fighter jet that has crashed in this week.A MiG-27 jet had crashed on Tuesday in Barmer, Rajasthan hitting a passing by motorcycle. The rider was seriously injured, while the pilot who ejected before the crash, suffered minor injuries.
How about turning them into drones, like chinese did to their j7's, can HAL do it?If not kaveri, Then their should be some other alternative is an immediate requirement ..
How about turning them into drones, like chinese did to their j7's, can HAL do it?
I think you have answered it yourself. RD-33 is much better choice compared to Kavery for re-engining Mig-21. I think this should be given serious consideration.MiG-21-93 re-engined with the Klimov RD-33 engine in past and proved successful, But IAF did not included that into the upgrades of MIG-21 in past and today we are losing pilots in mass, Either, Be it Kaveri or RD-33 which is also used by MIG-29 in IAF, This will stop killings of young pilots ..
We are expecting nearly +200 Tejas in next 10 years to replace MIG-21 and 27 fleet in IAF according to multiple sources, Including Government, IAF wanted to keep MIG-21 till 2022 ..
==============I think you have answered it yourself. RD-33 is much better choice compared to Kavery for re-engining Mig-21. I think this should be given serious consideration.
However I feel that increasing LCA Tejas production rate to 25+ per year is a better solution. India can and must build one squadron of Tejas per year.
I know @ Kunal and it is indeed a good idea which is my first line in my previous post but every proposal meets with pros & cons hence the list of points!
Having said that I also wish that we stop this Widow Maker from killing any more pilots...till 2022 or 2025!
The upshot will be that Kaveri will get refined over the production period!
What I heard from the guy @kaveri stall @aeroindia 2015 is that they have the mandate to complete the project with all the necessary certifications and then the gov will decide in what capacity/platform can the engine be used!!!sgarg sahib, there is no doubt about our own engine should get into LCA. my desire is having come this far, and having certified Kaveri in whatever form and specification it was certified for, should be ported to a TD/Prototype. If we have 8 engines, convert about 8 LCA TDs to Kaveri based fighter. The data from such use is so much useful that it beats all certifications so far we have got. This is vital, and not dump Kaveri project like our babooze think and do. For them, it is all about input/output.
absolutely, precision engineering and safety-critical systems like kaveri can't be dumped like that. or is this all a whitewash for public information I am not sure. Yes, we can have the next generation engine going in that matches GE 414 specs, but that is entirely different ball game. Getting Kaveri data from LCA TD is entirely different base-ball game. This is important.
sgarg sahib, there is no doubt about our own engine should get into LCA. my desire is having come this far, and having certified Kaveri in whatever form and specification it was certified for, should be ported to a TD/Prototype. If we have 8 engines, convert about 8 LCA TDs to Kaveri based fighter. The data from such use is so much useful that it beats all certifications so far we have got. This is vital, and not dump Kaveri project like our babooze think and do. For them, it is all about input/output.
absolutely, precision engineering and safety-critical systems like kaveri can't be dumped like that. or is this all a whitewash for public information I am not sure. Yes, we can have the next generation engine going in that matches GE 414 specs, but that is entirely different ball game. Getting Kaveri data from LCA TD is entirely different base-ball game. This is important.
@Ray @LETHALFORCE @sorcerer @Kunal @sgarg @pmaitra @Singh @ersakthivel
Few points for the uninformed please
so at aero india they displayed half-done job ?
as the kaveri is yet incomplete ?
why not Namo does some personnel changes for kaveri - as he has done for drdo etc ?
or the fact that he is not doing so indicates satisfaction ?
i.e kaveri is close to completion ?
if so we would be ahead of china in this particular area ?
Sirs, many thanks for your esteemed clarification & information
Don't give ideas to NaMo. I have my fears, which I hope are unfounded, that NaMo is getting too used to being in the media spotlight, and he might end up doing something very stupid.
- Does NaMo have the slightest idea as to what goes into making a turbine?
- How will simply shifting people around or replacing people make things better?
- The people at GTRE have brought the project so far. Would it be a smart move to remove or shuffle these people around?
- Can NaMo instead bring in people that can plug the gaps and deficiencies of what has been made already?
Slightly off-topic, but not entirely:
Don't give ideas to NaMo. I have my fears, which I hope are unfounded, that NaMo is getting too used to being in the media spotlight, and he might end up doing something very stupid.
- He got rid of the Planning Commission, but replaced it with something very similar.
- He cut down on the funding for research, which will affect our universities. Is this a good idea to achieve self reliance in high-tech fields?
thanks to both of you above for appreciating my sarcasm - i agree with both of your closing sentencesIt very well can go that way.
as a general manager one has to make it one's business to know about an area under oneself that isThere is no interference in DRDO functioning from PM's office. PM's job is to encourage the scientists to achieve bigger objectives. That is what he has done.
Why would PM interfere in Kavery turbine project. It makes no sense.
It is our wish to see Kavery engine on LCA Tejas. Of course the starting point is to put it on Tejas TD series.
@roma, namo does not do personnel changes at DRDO. It is DM's job who oversees DRDO. And even DM would only be concerned with senior-most people.
totally agree !@roma, you are probably aware, we learn not only from our successes, but also from our failures. Failure is a step towards success. This is an inherent part of research. Modi comes from an environment where balancing the annual financial accounts and seeing a positive number is seen as more important. People look at the money spent on research as a total waste if the end result is not good. What people don't realize is that the money spent which is seen as "waste" is actually useful, because that money went in as investment towards capability building. It is not waste. Of course, if things drag on, someone has to pull the plug.
There are too many variables in the scenario you mentioned. Removing and/or shuffling people around, in my opinion, is not a constructive idea.
Whatever Kaveri is today, we cannot discount the immense knowledge gained by the scientists and engineers who have brought the project thus far. Kaveri today might not be useful, but who knows, tomorrow, this very engine might be perfectly fit for a new twin-engined fighter or a small transporter, and if any small tweaks are necessary, GTRE might actually pull it off.
If India really wants to have full control of its foreign policy, then its dependence on imports have to be reduced, even if our products are a little bit inferior to the western counterparts.