Kashmir conflict-India should act now?

[Yusuf]

Germans love India (in some respects and not all)

I am not being racist, but they do feel that they are a superior race and very Aryan.

I have studied with Germans and I found that though they never stated so openly, the undercurrent was there.

In Batalik (near Kargil) where it is said there are pure Aryans, German women were apprehended (it being within the 'Inner Line') wanting to be impregnated by 'pure' Aryans!!

I remember reading about it. It's in Ladakh.

Got a link

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041107/spectrum/main1.htm

 

[Son of Govinda]

I remember reading about it. It's in Ladakh.

Got a link

The Sunday Tribune - Spectrum

Hahaha what a load of shit. Those people couldn't pass for any European if they're life depended on it.

The Nuristani and Kalash look far far more "Aryan." I don't believe this shit for even one second.

 

[aerokan]

If you actually think the current France Presidential election is based on Islam you're wrong, it's about immigration policies as a whole.

I've lived in Germany for a year, my girlfriend is German, and I speak German, and yes I've been to Frankfurt, it's still thoroughly German.

My definition of ideal secularism is the same definition of the very humanists who coined it, so no your definition of secularism is flawed. Stop trying to hijack this word to represent completely non secular policies.

France or other western nations are surely paranaoid. They may not get threatened by u because u are indian and hindu. But they sure get threatened by some religions at the drop of the hat. For example, in US most of the people blame their problems on Jewish businessmen(despite being friends), Muslims. Do u even know how much race plays a role in the elections of US? They need a hundred laws for affirmitive action so that they don't show their disapproval openly. As i said before, come and argue on the topic of secularism when any of these western nations elect a non-christian president or prime minister let alone a muslim head of the state.

 

[aerokan]

And Hindus don't think they're superior? I grew up in the west and had to witness high-caste Indian immigrants to Canada making fools of themselves trying to act superior to Canadians and other races here. I still witness this bullshit everyday and it makes me sick.

Arrogance is not exclusively German my friend.

Which race or which religion doesn't think they are superior? Many of the current religions does. So what? What is wrong in being proud of who they are?? As long as they don't come out and try to prove and try to induce the feeling of inferiority in other races or religions, it shouldn't matter. Come to think of it, all those high-caste indian immigrants u mentioned, u and some other arrogant posters who think that are the only ones right and the rest are fools have one thing in common. They drank too much of Canadian water :taunt1:

Keep an open mind. Maybe someday u and the other canadian posters will understand that west doesn't have to teach and make east 'educated' and 'civilized' abt how to behave and live.

 

[amitkriit]

The US and England are completely secular states..... the business lobby is far far larger in those countries than its Religious lobby.

And yes the Hindu lobby in India is very powerful, and they still control the parliament. India is definitely secular to some degree but it's not even close to the ideal secularism of Germany or France.

Yep that's why Obama took so much pain to prove that he is a devout Christian. And ask those in UK why the house of lords only allows Christian ceremonies and conduct.

Western culture is Christian culture in essence and in practice.

 

[Son of Govinda]

Which race or which religion doesn't think they are superior? Many of the current religions does. So what? What is wrong in being proud of who they are?? As long as they don't come out and try to prove and try to induce the feeling of inferiority in other races or religions, it shouldn't matter. Come to think of it, all those high-caste indian immigrants u mentioned, u and some other arrogant posters who think that are the only ones right and the rest are fools have one thing in common. They drank too much of Canadian water :taunt1:

Keep an open mind. Maybe someday u and the other canadian posters will understand that west doesn't have to teach and make east 'educated' and 'civilized' abt how to behave and live.

Stop thinking in absolutes, we're one in the same Canadian or not. Btw I have dual citizenship so

I believe I've been more than fair and open minded in this thread. Those accusations are bogus, I never said India needed to be civilized once. There are many great civilizations that weren't secular, India is one of them.

 

[Son of Govinda]

Yep that's why Obama took so much pain to prove that he is a devout Christian. And ask those in UK why the house of lords only allows Christian ceremonies and conduct.

Western culture is Christian culture in essence and in practice.

Obama's enemies were trying to say he was a Muslim who was part of a secret Islamic takeover. Obama being elected had nothing to do with his theology, and all to do with his political platform.

As for the House of Lords, well I believe that is a cultural thing and not a sign of religious superiority or intolerance. If only you realized how few westerners actually take Christianity seriously. Those nutjob fundamentalists you see on TV are a very small minority.

"large increases in the developing world (around 23,000 per day) have been accompanied by substantial declines in the developed world, mainly in Europe and North America (around 7,600 per day)" << that's western Christianity for you

 

[panduranghari]

If you actually think the current France Presidential election is based on Islam you're wrong, it's about immigration policies as a whole.

I've lived in Germany for a year, my girlfriend is German, and I speak German, and yes I've been to Frankfurt, it's still thoroughly German.

My definition of ideal secularism is the same definition of the very humanists who coined it, so no your definition of secularism is flawed. Stop trying to hijack this word to represent completely non secular policies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-takes-centre-stage-in-battle-for-France.html

This is from 2 days ago. I can dig out more if you want.

You living in Germany a few years ago has no bearing on the current situation. My last visit was about 5 months back and I was there on a holiday for over 2 weeks. I am just telling you as I saw it. I do not remember encountering this in either Rome or Paris. In London, yes, also in Frankfurt.

 

[panduranghari]

Stop thinking in absolutes, we're one in the same Canadian or not. Btw I have dual citizenship so

I believe I've been more than fair and open minded in this thread. Those accusations are bogus, I never said India needed to be civilized once. There are many great civilizations that weren't secular, India is one of them.

You are Canadian and German?

India as far as I know does not permit dual nationality. PIO or OCI is not dual nationality.

 

[aerokan]

Obama's enemies were trying to say he was a Muslim who was part of a secret Islamic takeover. Obama being elected had nothing to do with his theology, and all to do with his political platform.

As for the House of Lords, well I believe that is a cultural thing and not a sign of religious superiority or intolerance. If only you realized how few westerners actually take Christianity seriously. Those nutjob fundamentalists you see on TV are a very small minority.

"large increases in the developing world (around 23,000 per day) have been accompanied by substantial declines in the developed world, mainly in Europe and North America (around 7,600 per day)" << that's western Christianity for you

If u want to be the cat which closes it's eyes and thinks the world is not seeing it, then u have the right to do that. But if u still think that u are open minded, answer my question better yet questio yourself "Why is there no non-christian head of the state in all the western 'secular' countries while India has heads from all the religions?"

Obama's enemies? 56% of the citizens think that obama is still a muslim in one state and they want to get him down as early as possible. Do u know the notion that is going on in US now? Anyone but Obama. Forget obama, a stupid candidate like rick santorum who is nobody just became a serious contender for republican presidential candidate because he is endorsed by the evengelicals. Obama became the first half-black (not black) president in 2008. That too because he is already a christian. And look around to find answers. Being more open doesn't mean being leftist or being pseudo secular. Please revisit your theory again asking some real questions. If u find answers, please enlighten me.

 

[aerokan]

self-delete - double post

 

[aerokan]

Stop thinking in absolutes, we're one in the same Canadian or not. Btw I have dual citizenship so

I believe I've been more than fair and open minded in this thread. Those accusations are bogus, I never said India needed to be civilized once. There are many great civilizations that weren't secular, India is one of them.

I am known in my circles as one who thinks in probabilites. U still haven't learned anything being part of two countries? U'r statement shows your knowledge level of India.

 

[Son of Govinda]

If u want to be the cat which closes it's eyes and thinks the world is not seeing it, then u have the right to do that. But if u still think that u are open minded, answer my question better yet questio yourself "Why is there no non-christian head of the state in all the western 'secular' countries while India has heads from all the religions?"

Obama's enemies? 56% of the citizens think that obama is still a muslim in one state and they want to get him down as early as possible. Do u know the notion that is going on in US now? Anyone but Obama. Forget obama, a stupid candidate like rick santorum who is nobody just became a serious contender for republican presidential candidate because he is endorsed by the evengelicals. Obama became the first half-black (not black) president in 2008. That too because he is already a christian. And look around to find answers. Being more open doesn't mean being leftist or being pseudo secular. Please revisit your theory again asking some real questions. If u find answers, please enlighten me.

If you honestly think religious interests take precedence over business and capital interests in the US when it comes to government and lobbying, you are the cat that is selectively closing it's eyes my friend.

You're idea of a Christian conspiracy in Western nations is quite amusing. You have nothing to back up your claim that Obama was elected because he was Christian, or that Santorum is only a viable candidate because he is Christian and only Christians support him.

The two most important factors by far in this election are foreign policy, and domestic economic policy(job creation, regulation, markets etc..)

 

[lcatejas]

Yes they are acting ... they adopted gilani and whole huriyat conf ... ass#%$@

 

[Son of Govinda]

I am known in my circles as one who thinks in probabilites. U still haven't learned anything being part of two countries? U'r statement shows your knowledge level of India.

Please be more specific before you try sounding like a self-righteous douche.

 

[Son of Govinda]

You are Canadian and German?

India as far as I know does not permit dual nationality. PIO or OCI is not dual nationality.

Girlfriend is German so I have the right to German citizenship if we marry and I live there for 3 years, but I have to renounce my right to any form of Canadian citizenship which I probably won't do

It's technically OCI, but a lifelong visa and the right to work is the same thing as dual citizenship to me. I really don't care for voting in Indian elections anyways.

 

[aerokan]

If you honestly think religious interests take precedence over business and capital interests in the US when it comes to government and lobbying, you are the cat that is selectively closing it's eyes my friend.

You're idea of a Christian conspiracy in Western nations is quite amusing. You have nothing to back up your claim that Obama was elected because he was Christian, or that Santorum is only a viable candidate because he is Christian and only Christians support him.

The two most important factors by far in this election are foreign policy, and domestic economic policy(job creation, regulation, markets etc..)

Indeed my friend, i am the cat here. That why i am the one who couldn't answer a simple question "why is there not a single non-christian head of the state in any of the 'secular' western countries u mention?"

I am not here to propogate and make u believe of christian conspiracy. One can only wake those who are asleep. This post alone clarified a lot abt u and u'r knowledge of the 'secular' west. Be my guest and live in the well.

FYI, I have watched every single presidential debate that happened till today and carefully looked at the fake delegate count that is being masked in the media, the fradualent election processes adopted by the republican party in electing their candidate and all. Rick santorum wasn't able to get any votes before and was at a point of dropping until he got endorsed by evangelical churches and zoomed back into competetion. Business lobbies support mitt romney coz he is a super flip flopper, rick santorum is preferred by evangelicals (and he wants to ban porn in America ) and these establishments don't care abt excellent foresighted leaders like Ron Paul because he don't want to control people too much.

There is nothing wrong in electing whoever they want.Once again, I am not saying they should not elect based on religion. They are free to do whatever they want. I am just sick of people blindly praising them while at the same time denouncing India on religious basis.

 

[aerokan]

Please be more specific before you try sounding like a self-righteous douche.

U'r repeated assertions that India is non secular and west is super secular itself gives u'r understanding of the country. Since i assume u r a psuedo here, maybe you should find abt secularism in india from yousuf bhai considering that u have shut yourself from what i say.

 

[Son of Govinda]

Indeed my friend, i am the cat here. That why i am the one who couldn't answer a simple question "why is there not a single non-christian head of the state in any of the 'secular' western countries u mention?"

I am not here to propogate and make u believe of christian conspiracy. One can only wake those who are asleep. This post alone clarified a lot abt u and u'r knowledge of the 'secular' west. Be my guest and live in the well.

FYI, I have watched every single presidential debate that happened till today and carefully looked at the fake delegate count that is being masked in the media, the fradualent election processes adopted by the republican party in electing their candidate and all. Rick santorum wasn't able to get any votes before and was at a point of dropping until he got endorsed by evangelical churches and zoomed back into competetion. Business lobbies support mitt romney coz he is a super flip flopper, rick santorum is preferred by evangelicals (and he wants to ban porn in America ) and these establishments don't care abt excellent foresighted leaders like Ron Paul because he don't want to control people too much.

There is nothing wrong in electing whoever they want.Once again, I am not saying they should not elect based on religion. They are free to do whatever they want. I am just sick of people blindly praising them while at the same time denouncing India on religious basis.

Because it's a retarded question......... are you really that superficial and rigid? It's a complex issue that has far more to do with immigration and integration than theology... I'm not playing your stupid game, keep living in your la la land where you fail to see things objectively.

You don't have a clue about what secularism even is... just because Obama is Christian doesn't mean a damn thing, he went against the entire Christian community on things like stem cell research, but OH NO CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY!!!!!!

 

[aerokan]

Because it's a retarded question......... are you really that superficial and rigid? It's a complex issue that has far more to do with immigration and integration than theology... I'm not playing your stupid game, keep living in your la la land where you fail to see things objectively.

You don't have a clue about what secularism even is... just because Obama is Christian doesn't mean a damn thing, he went against the entire Christian community on things like stem cell research, but OH NO CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY!!!!!!

Are u really that retarded? Did i ever mention christian consipiracy?? why are u pathetically insecure as to take stupid inferences from my statements? When i said to show a non-christian head of the state, it meant to compare the true secular credentials of India and the nations u heap praises upon. retarded question u say?? how so? how come i am superficial and rigid when u can't even dare to go beyond your limited circle to think abt the question i asked, let alone answer it? I have no intention to live in la la land. That's why i stay away from Canada :taunt1:

I will give you one more thing to think if u claim uare not rigid and superficial. If it's a complex issue of immigration and integration for a majority single language, single religion countries, how come india with 3 out of the top 10 languages and a country with highest number of people of 2 major religions with several indegenious religions combined together is just a RSS trouble creation but not complex enough?