definitely there will we air war jf 17 can at least score 1kill but in cost of how many of other jf17 yep jf 17 also have bvr combat capabilities but remember jf17 mostly have to face of with su30mki which was planed to counter f16 and j11 ,j15 like super maneuverable aircraft also jf 17 have so-many limitations in its combat stargazes ...I am no military expert, but I am positively sure that jf17 kills if there was a war between Pakistan and India. If indian members disagree and are convinced that jf17 is "junk fighter", then it's a good thing for you, you should celebrate that.
In this case, both Chinese and Indians have the same wish, which is that, the more JF17s for Pakistan, the better.
For one I would like to agree with you.... the more JF17s for Pakistan, the better. Suck out all the money out from porkistan as much as you can and Porkies can afford. Don't let them spend on better Fighters like used f-16s. This will greatly help India as we can allot our frontline Fighters rafales & su30mki for lizard China. Even upgraded m2000 Jaguars & Mig29 along with mig21/27 will be too much for Porki air force to handle..,. Remember Jaguars mig29 will be getting AESA.In this case, both Chinese and Indians have the same wish, which is that, the more JF17s for Pakistan, the better.
Let it be a surprise shall we, your navy will eventually find out.@Dazzler @J20! You guys won't mind answering few questions, would you?
If a JF-17 is on an Anti Ship patrol as you put it,
Thanks.
- What is the weapon systems configuration it will carry?
- How much fuel is it going to carry?
- What will be the combat radius?
- What will be the CAP time and flight profile?
AGM-88, MAR-1, and recently inducted LD-10 anti radiation missiles.By whom and what!!!..................... .
I am not fully grasping what you are talking about, but I guess that you are argueing that JF17 is no match to Su30. of course jf17 can't compete Su30MM, no sane people would think that JF17 and Su30 are in the same league, but that doesn't mean that JF17 is junk because it is still an effective deterrent and it kills. Imagine today's PAF without JF17, it's worse for Pakistan. And the more important thing for Pakistan is that the successful development of JF17 enables Pakistan to improve JF17 constantly, JF17 is becoming more and more capable since its birth.definitely there will we air war jf 17 can at least score 1kill but in cost of how many of other jf17 yep jf 17 also have bvr combat capabilities but remember jf17 mostly have to face of with su30mki which was planed to counter f16 and j11 ,j15 like super maneuverable aircraft also jf 17 have so-many limitations in its combat stargazes ...
am 100% sure paf never going to put jf17 in first wave raid if there is an war mostly they use for second or third wave air raids on air fileds but its success rate also depend on how much their first wave attack achieved and how much weaker indian air defense system became... most likely there is a generation gap b/w paf and inda in weapon and aircraft techs ..just like India have same gap with china...
am not saying jf 17 is junk but am saying its not to stereo hype the jf17 , yes if there is no jf17 on with 60 f16 and rest 3gen aircraft they wont even stand a chance towards iaf ..but if u look closely jf 17 in paf only enhanced its ground strike role not air combat or interception role , yes due to expandable Chinese weapon like cm4000 and sd10 bvr missile it have a limited air to air combat capability and navel strike role but it not a fully operational multi role fighter more than an advanced trainer converted in to combat capable aircraft ...I am not fully grasping what you are talking about, but I guess that you are argueing that JF17 is no match to Su30. of course jf17 can't compete Su30MM, no sane people would think that JF17 and Su30 are in the same league, but that doesn't mean that JF17 is junk because it is still an effective deterrent and it kills. Imagine today's PAF without JF17, it's worse for Pakistan. And the more important thing for Pakistan is that the successful development of JF17 enables Pakistan to improve JF17 constantly, JF17 is becoming more and more capable since its birth.
With AGM-88 you have to come almost 250km inside S400 range.AGM-88, MAR-1, and recently inducted LD-10 anti radiation missiles.
These beam-riding missiles will lose their targets once Radar gets turned off. They are at best useful in SEAD along with dedicated EW assets conducting a swarm attack on a particular battery.AGM-88, MAR-1, and recently inducted LD-10 anti-radiation missiles.
Such technology much wow.Let it be a surprise shall we, your navy will eventually find out.
yep. Thats the reason for IAF lax attitudes. The only concern are those F-16s and new SAMs licensed from Russia, built in China, sold to Pakistan. Other than that, India has Pakistans number. The biggest fear being an implosion of Pakistan. its already a crap hole of jihadis with norinco guns.I am no military expert, but I am positively sure that jf17 kills if there was a war between Pakistan and India. If indian members disagree and are convinced that jf17 is "junk fighter", then it's a good thing for you, you should celebrate that.
In this case, both Chinese and Indians have the same wish, which is that, the more JF17s for Pakistan, the better.
Next time think twice before calling others idiot, till date I have ignored you , want to keep it that way.LOL...some idiot came with stupid logic ignoring the fact that FC-1 already has two export orders, does it really matter for a combat plane?...
the PLAAF VVIP needn't such experience, obviously light weight class figher has no place in PLAAF any more. and elite test pilots from PLAAF flight test regiment have loads of such experience
and some idiots here and there can't understand at least a two-seater is essential for such so called VIP experience....but JF17B is on the way...
There is always a chance, but I doubt that in a future conflict PAF would be offensive. These weapons are probably not just intended for India if at all.Explain me a scenario (convincing one) where any or all of the Paki AF coming close to striking S-400(as IADS including 9M96E2 missiles, BuK, Aakash systems and Tunguska as point defense)
For your convenience, exclude IAF from the picture. Use, every and all weapons of Pak arsenal. Let's see the cost incurred and how long Pak can bear such costs
Let me explain to you the Junk Flight 17. PAF could have easily upgraded their J-7s with BVR if they had Israel or America to help them. They couldn't get it done. Perhaps Chengdu will help them? The effect could have been the same. The downside is, they are still short a LCA. They would have had to buy Gripen or more F-16s. The biggest reason for JF-17 likily was because J-7 production line was being sold off cheaply, and upgraded little bit for Pakistan. Downside is, JF-17 is neither cheap as J-7 upgrades or advanced as Gripen or Tejas for that matter.I am not fully grasping what you are talking about, but I guess that you are argueing that JF17 is no match to Su30. of course jf17 can't compete Su30MM, no sane people would think that JF17 and Su30 are in the same league, but that doesn't mean that JF17 is junk because it is still an effective deterrent and it kills. Imagine today's PAF without JF17, it's worse for Pakistan. And the more important thing for Pakistan is that the successful development of JF17 enables Pakistan to improve JF17 constantly, JF17 is becoming more and more capable since its birth.
@shiphone I guess your two posts above were for my benefit. Let's dissect what you have posted.
- JF-17 which entered service in the late 2000s has to rely on asymmetrical payload configuration, same as the A4 Skyhawk which entered service in the 1950s in order to have a meaningful combat radius. Indian Jaguars of 1980s vintage fulfills same role but by carrying similar missile much farther than the mainstay of PAF.
- The payload itself is a subsonic short range missile sans stealth features similar to other weapons in its class like Harpoon.
- The 1800 km range that the poster mentioned was ferry range I.e. without weapons, flying at an optimal altitude and speed on internal fuel. No mention of combat radius or CAP time.
- Yes, JF-17 can carry two CM-400AKG, which is ballistic missile and not a sea skimming missile with dubious role in the Indo-Pak naval warfare scenario. Even then Jf 17 sacrifices almost all of its external fuel, essentially turning it into something out of the 1960s.
- Unless you can provide some credible evidence about JF-17's improved payload and centerline 1100 liters fuel tank, further discussion on this particular point is futile. A screenshot of a YouTube videos in a language I can't read doesn't count as one.
Their induction had begun in the 1980's. And their countering mechanisms have been developed as well.
180km range, sea skimming, subsonic ASMs have been inducted by navies and air forces the world over for their cost effectiveness and significant offensive capabilities. It's not brahmos or nothing gents, otherwise the IN wouldn't bother with subsonic ASMs; and none of the INs subsonic ASMs are stealthy either, so I fail to grasp your argument here.
If there was a war with Pakistan, the Indian side would have destroyed half the airfields in Pakistan pretty soon. Hopefully perhaps JF-17s are able to survive thanks to their size being housed in the same bunkers as j-7 previously. I doubt the super seven would go on the offensive. It does not have the range, nor the advanced EW to confuse SAMs. Its basically a defensive platform, that'll chew time from IAF shorties.definitely there will we air war jf 17 can at least score 1kill but in cost of how many of other jf17 yep jf 17 also have bvr combat capabilities but remember jf17 mostly have to face of with su30mki which was planed to counter f16 and j11 ,j15 like super maneuverable aircraft also jf 17 have so-many limitations in its combat stargazes ...
am 100% sure paf never going to put jf17 in first wave raid if there is an war mostly they use for second or third wave air raids on air fileds but its success rate also depend on how much their first wave attack achieved and how much weaker indian air defense system became... most likely there is a generation gap b/w paf and inda in weapon and aircraft techs ..just like India have same gap with china...
first learn how to take care of Atlantique. go cross the border, i dare you.Let it be a surprise shall we, your navy will eventually find out.
You guys live in fantasies. Ever heard of Home on Jam mode?Ok, here's Tejas in asymmetric load configuration without weight balancing. Unlike JF-17.
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These beam-riding missiles will lose their targets once Radar gets turned off. They are at best useful in SEAD along with dedicated EW assets conducting a swarm attack on a particular battery.
For DEAD that too against a SAM like S400 and its upcoming Indian equivalent -- SAM system based on AAD-- which will have more than one FCR, SR and MMR in its battery. the requirement will be much more than a jet armed with a couple of anti-radiation missiles.
Best way to neutralise any S400 type threat is by taking out its C2 structure. And best weapon would be a long-range air-launched Cruise Missile. However, once any such missile will enter 400 km envelop it itself would become a target.
Not needed, stand off munitions will take care of it.first learn how to take care of Atlantique. go cross the border, i dare you.
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