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you are really pretending to know.

Speed is the result of thrust versus drag, higher drag more thrust needed to be applied to the mass.

The inlet only helps in adapting the air speed to the needs of the engine, nothing to do with speed.

Speed is the result of the force applied to a mass that has some air resistance aka Drag.

For starters DSI intakes have an ideal mach number of Mach 1.4, thus on F-35 you have a fat nose and low swept wings.
Jesus you are as dumb as a rock
Top speed is the condition where the thrust of the aircraft, equal to the drag of it.
The problem is that, all air breathing engine aka jet engine can only use air at a specific range of speed, their max thrust is not a constant fixed value. For turbojet and turbofan engine, they need the air entering them to be subsonic, otherwise they will lose thrust. To slow down the airflow that enter the engine, you need to create shock wave, and that why the inlet design is important for speed. As you need to slow down air (recover the pressure).
Aircraft such as F-16, Rafale have much lower top speed compared to F-111, F-14 even though they have slender design and can accelerate better. That because the variable inlet of F-111, F-14 are more suited to slow down air at high Mach speed compared to the fixed inlet of F-16, Rafale. Top speed of modern fighter jet have everything to do with their inlet design
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Stealth is your fantasy probably you should start stop watching top gun Maverick

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the angle of reflection is what is used to reduce the RCS but electromagnetic waves are not destroyed they still remain and can be used by other radars to detect stealth aircraft.
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diffraction basically creates the creeping wave besides conduction and retransmission of surfaces of radio electromagnetic waves
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besides diffraction makes using ventral fins and misaligned canard and wings more visible J-20 than F-22.
But in reality nothing is stealth mainly because of diffraction and conductivity

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So nothing is stealth because aircraft are basically not destroying electromagnetic waves and powerful radars do see stealth, your fantasy you believe F-35 is invisible like wonder woman invisible jet
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Putting a bunch of random words and photo together does not help your argument, especially when you don't even understand them.
Firstly, no one ever said electromagnetic waves are destroyed when they hit a stealth aircraft. Stealth aircraft are designed so that their shape deflect the radiowave to other direction except the direction of enemy radar. They are also covered with RAM which help convert radio wave to heat.
Secondly, as for diffraction issue, there is pretty good reason why the leading edge and trailing edge of stealth aircraft all have edge treatment


 

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In fact the only thing that makes stealth work is not shaping but this

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so there is loses by increasing the distance so a relatively weak radar will be fooled by shaping and faceting, but not very powerful radars, in that you are wrong stealth aircraft will not get that close, their radars are weaker than AWACS.
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State media said that this radar can detect airborne targets out to 600 km, and ships out to 400 km.
State media also claimed several times that thanks to this radar the aircraft will be able to detect U.S. F-22 and F-35 Stealth Fighters.

Again, I couldn't careless about how powerful your radar is, a stealth aircraft will reflect less energy compared to a normal aircraft, and therefore, they will be detected at much shorter distance. And lower RCS will make jamming even more effective since they have synergy relationship with burn through distance.

 

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Jesus you are as dumb as a rock
Top speed is the condition where the thrust of the aircraft, equal to the drag of it.
The problem is that, all air breathing engine aka jet engine can only use air at a specific range of speed, their max thrust is not a constant fixed value. For turbojet and turbofan engine, they need the air entering them to be subsonic, otherwise they will lose thrust. To slow down the airflow that enter the engine, you need to create shock wave, and that why the inlet design is important for speed. As you need to slow down air (recover the pressure).
Aircraft such as F-16, Rafale have much lower top speed compared to F-111, F-14 even though they have slender design and can accelerate better. That because the variable inlet of F-111, F-14 are more suited to slow down air at high Mach speed compared to the fixed inlet of F-16, Rafale. Top speed of modern fighter jet have everything to do with their inlet design
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Putting a bunch of random words and photo together does not help your argument, especially when you don't even understand them.
Firstly, no one ever said electromagnetic waves are destroyed when they hit a stealth aircraft. Stealth aircraft are designed so that their shape deflect the radiowave to other direction except the direction of enemy radar. They are also covered with RAM which help convert radio wave to heat.
Secondly, as for diffraction issue, there is pretty good reason why the leading edge and trailing edge of stealth aircraft all have edge treatment


relax trying to sound smart is not something you are doing well.

Pressure recovery means the ability of the engine to operate at its max power at different speeds as it would be at 0 km/h on static thrust.

Why? simple the intake loses thrust if the air stream speed is higher that the air stream speed designed by the engine which usually is around 800km/h.


when pressure recovery occurs the engine does not deliver 100% of its capacity but less.

Now you are fantasizing since light allows you to see stealth aircraft, tell me why?

Simple power density, the sun which basically is a huge source of electromagnetic waves which are even of shorter wave length than the microwaves used by radars.

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Radars have limits in power density

The spectral power density of the solar radiation is shown in Fig. 1, where the top curve is the solar spectrum just outside the atmosphere. The total power density in this zone is 1.366 kW/m 2 , which is known as the solar constant


The solar radiation outside the earth's atmosphere is calculated using the radiant power density (Hsun) at the sun's surface (5.961 x 107 W/m2), the radius of the sun (Rsun), and the distance between the earth and the sun. The calculated solar irradiance at the Earth's atmosphere is about 1.36 kW/m2. The geometrical constants used in the calculation of the solar irradiance incident on the Earth are shown in the figure below


that power density is much higher than any radar so you can see F-22 with your eye regardless of any alignment or edge treatment or any black painted object which acts as RAM to light, so stop your fantasies

Radars on AWACs are much more powerful and the antenas are bigger, add the F-35 has a very hot engine it is detectable continue living in the idea Physics forbid to see stealth aircraft
 
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Again, I couldn't careless about how powerful your radar is, a stealth aircraft will reflect less energy compared to a normal aircraft, and therefore, they will be detected at much shorter distance. And lower RCS will make jamming even more effective since they have synergy relationship with burn through distance.

electromagnetic waves are waves not particles basically diffraction means the bent around corners


Light bends itself round corners
30 Nov 2012
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e, researchers were faced with the challenge of how to bend the light through large enough angles to be useful. Now, two independent teams have solved this problem – and claim that the bending of sound and other kinds of waves could be next.

Diffraction is the bending of waves around obstacles and openings. The amount of diffraction increases with increasing wavelength.
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So no my friend electromagnetic waves always will return to the emmiter, stealth only tries to minimized but that depends upon power density and distance
 
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Again, I couldn't careless about how powerful your radar is, a stealth aircraft will reflect less energy compared to a normal aircraft, and therefore, they will be detected at much shorter distance. And lower RCS will make jamming even more effective since they have synergy relationship with burn through distance.

Russia’s Nebo-M radars can detect F-22, F-35 warplanes — developer
Nebo-M can detect aircraft and ballistic missiles at a distance of one thousand kilometers

NIZHNY NOVGOROD, May 23. /TASS/. Russia’s Nebo-M radars can detect advanced aircraft, including F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II of the United States, Almaz-Antey Director General Yan Novikov said.
"The Nebo-M radar is the menace of stealth technologies. It can see F-22, F-35 and so on perfectly well," Novikov said during the New Knowledge educational marathon on Saturday.
The official went on to say that Almaz-Antey, the chief developer and maker of Russian aerospace defense systems, pays serious attention to various radar projects and technologies.
"The Concern produces more than 30 types of mobile multi-funcional radar systems," he added.

Nebo-M and Container radars are the backbone of the total radar field along the Russian ground border. The latest radars are supplied to the units deployed in the most dangerous directions. The first serial Nebo-M were delivered to the Western Military District in 2017. They were later supplied to regiments in Transbaikalia, Khabarovsk and Primorye regions. The radars were delivered to Crimean air defense in 2018. Mobile Nebo-M can be rapidly redeployed by land or airlifters.
Nebo-M can detect aircraft and ballistic missiles at a distance of one thousand kilometers. Air and hypersonic targets are detected at 600 km which is twice above the range of previous generations. Stealth technologies pose no problem for the new radars.
Besides Nebo-M, stationary over-the-horizon Container radars also watch combat aviation close to Russian borders. They can detect targets at a distance of 2000 km.

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how the Su-27 manage to intercept the F-35?
 

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Back to actual J20 news, what looks like high-speed taxi teats of the new 2051 prototype, likely a new J20B variant.

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Kindly ignore the hate leveled at lyman300 and his mom. Drama over picture credit😄

Radome changed to a more beaklike form over J20A.

DAS windows relocated from aft of the radome.

Additional MAWS sensor added on the intake side.

Redesigned cockpit to accommodate the bump directly aft

Changes mirror what is seen on J20AS twin seater; makes the rumoured avionics update on the AS more substantial as this prototype seems to be a single seat variant of the same.

Engines still unidentified

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Back to actual J20 news, what looks like high-speed taxi teats of the new 2051 prototype, likely a new J20B variant.

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Kindly ignore the hate leveled at lyman300 and his mom. Drama over picture credit😄

Radome changed to a more beaklike form over J20A.

DAS windows relocated from aft of the radome.

Additional MAWS sensor added on the intake side.

Redesigned cockpit to accommodate the bump directly aft

Changes mirror what is seen on J20AS twin seater; makes the rumoured avionics update on the AS more substantial as this prototype seems to be a single seat variant of the same.

Engines still unidentified

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relax trying to sound smart is not something you are doing well.
well I don't actually have to "try to sound smart", Iam smarter than a troll like you. It is pretty much an obvious fact

Pressure recovery means the ability of the engine to operate at its max power at different speeds as it would be at 0 km/h on static thrust.
Why? simple the intake loses thrust if the air stream speed is higher that the air stream speed designed by the engine which usually is around 800km/h.
when pressure recovery occurs the engine does not deliver 100% of its capacity but less.
Frankly, what the actual f*ck you are trying to say?. Are you trying to deflect from the fact that you were wrong all along?
Everyone know jet engine thrust varied with speed and altitude, because jet engine literally need air to operate. The point of the inlet is to slow air down to the velocity which it can be efficiently used by the engine. And that why inlet is the most important factor for aircraft top speed.



Now you are fantasizing since light allows you to see stealth aircraft, tell me why?

Simple power density, the sun which basically is a huge source of electromagnetic waves which are even of shorter wave length than the microwaves used by radars.

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Radars have limits in power density
The spectral power density of the solar radiation is shown in Fig. 1, where the top curve is the solar spectrum just outside the atmosphere. The total power density in this zone is 1.366 kW/m 2 , which is known as the solar constant
The solar radiation outside the earth's atmosphere is calculated using the radiant power density (Hsun) at the sun's surface (5.961 x 107 W/m2), the radius of the sun (Rsun), and the distance between the earth and the sun. The calculated solar irradiance at the Earth's atmosphere is about 1.36 kW/m2. The geometrical constants used in the calculation of the solar irradiance incident on the Earth are shown in the figure below

that power density is much higher than any radar so you can see F-22 with your eye regardless of any alignment or edge treatment or any black painted object which acts as RAM to light, so stop your fantasies

Radars on AWACs are much more powerful and the antenas are bigger, add the F-35 has a very hot engine it is detectable continue living in the idea Physics forbid to see stealth aircraft
I thought that your previous argument were already dumb enough, and here we are, you surprise me with an even dumber argument.
Me and literally everyone on this thread has been explained repeatedly to you that stealth doesn't mean invisible. It mean reduced detection range, to the point that the stealth aircraft can engage a normal aircraft much sooner than vice versa.
It doesn't matter if you can see the stealth aircraft. What matter is "at what distance"?. Sure you can see an aircraft with your eye from 10 meter, 100 meter, even 4-5 km. But at 50 -100 km? well that a whole different story all together
 

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electromagnetic waves are waves not particles basically diffraction means the bent around corners
Light bends itself round corners
30 Nov 2012
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e, researchers were faced with the challenge of how to bend the light through large enough angles to be useful. Now, two independent teams have solved this problem – and claim that the bending of sound and other kinds of waves could be next.
Diffraction is the bending of waves around obstacles and openings. The amount of diffraction increases with increasing wavelength.
.
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So no my friend electromagnetic waves always will return to the emmiter, stealth only tries to minimized but that depends upon power density and distance
If you can stop with your strawman argument and your dumb false analogy that would be great.
Sure electromagnetic wave can curve around object, but how well they can do that also depend on the size of the object versus the wavelength.
The creeping wave return only significant when the size of object and the size of the wavelength used to illuminate them are similar, and even in that case, the magnitude is still much smaller compared to specular return, which follow normal optic rule.



Furthermore, it not like there is no way to solve the issue of creeping wave return, that the whole job of the edge treatment


 

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Russia’s Nebo-M radars can detect F-22, F-35 warplanes — developer
Nebo-M can detect aircraft and ballistic missiles at a distance of one thousand kilometers

NIZHNY NOVGOROD, May 23. /TASS/. Russia’s Nebo-M radars can detect advanced aircraft, including F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II of the United States, Almaz-Antey Director General Yan Novikov said.
"The Nebo-M radar is the menace of stealth technologies. It can see F-22, F-35 and so on perfectly well," Novikov said during the New Knowledge educational marathon on Saturday.
The official went on to say that Almaz-Antey, the chief developer and maker of Russian aerospace defense systems, pays serious attention to various radar projects and technologies.
"The Concern produces more than 30 types of mobile multi-funcional radar systems," he added.

Nebo-M and Container radars are the backbone of the total radar field along the Russian ground border. The latest radars are supplied to the units deployed in the most dangerous directions. The first serial Nebo-M were delivered to the Western Military District in 2017. They were later supplied to regiments in Transbaikalia, Khabarovsk and Primorye regions. The radars were delivered to Crimean air defense in 2018. Mobile Nebo-M can be rapidly redeployed by land or airlifters.
Nebo-M can detect aircraft and ballistic missiles at a distance of one thousand kilometers. Air and hypersonic targets are detected at 600 km which is twice above the range of previous generations. Stealth technologies pose no problem for the new radars.
Besides Nebo-M, stationary over-the-horizon Container radars also watch combat aviation close to Russian borders. They can detect targets at a distance of 2000 km.
Funny enough, If a conventional radar such as the one on Su-35 and A-50 can easily detect stealth aircraft because as your own word "stealth aircraft doesn't exist". Then how come Russian feel the need to rely on very low frequency radar which are significantly bigger, less mobile and also significantly more inaccurate to detect stealth aircraft?. Well seem like they know the obvious fact that common fire control radar on AWACS, Fighter and SAM site will have significant trouble detecting stealth aircraft from tactically useful distance
Btw, as for Container radars , it is a massive stationary OTH-B radar, which mean it also have a massive blind spot with radius of thousand km right in front of it.




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how the Su-27 manage to intercept the F-35?
Firstly, the aircraft in the photo is a Su-30, not a Su-27
Secondly, If you know how to read, you will realize the F-35 in that photo were escorting an AN-12 transport aircraft
The F-35A fighter jets can be seen approaching a Russian An-12 transport aircraft which was escorted by a Su 30-SM fighter jet to Kaliningrad.
 

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OTH radar antennas can always be added back to cover the other OTH radar blind spots. And out of curiosity is their material that deals with 100ghz? Also, Russians have weird RCS measurements when compared to others measure their RCS, we have also always gotten alot of mixed reports even Russians pretending to be Americans when I saw article saying several orders of magnitude stealthier. Also container radar range is 3000kms.
 
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Russia developing radar for detecting hypersonic targets - Military & Defense - TASS I think they will also replace the Nebo-M later again, I should have added this in my news repository articles, probably will edit it later.

The radar system’s technical characteristics will surpass the capabilities of the operational Nebo-M radar by the range of detecting various types of aircraft, including hypersonic targets


Russian specialists are developing a new radar station Nioby for radio-technical troops that will be capable of detecting hypersonic targets at long ranges, Russia’s Aerospace Force Commander-in-Chief Colonel General Sergei Surovikin said on Friday.

"Work is underway to develop a new radar station Nioby for radio-technical troops using the latest components. The radar system’s technical characteristics will surpass the capabilities of the operational Nebo-M radar by the range of detecting various types of aircraft, including hypersonic targets," the general said in an interview published in the Defense Ministry’s Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.

Over the past five years, prefabricated radar stations of the missile attack early warning system have gone on combat duty in the cities of Orsk, Barnaul and Yeniseisk along with the Pritsel space control optical sighting system, the Peresvet special-purpose laser system and the first Container-3M over-the-horizon radar, he said.

The over-the-horizon radar that has gone on combat duty in the Republic of Mordovia in the Volga area has ensured airspace control over the entire territory of Europe and the Middle East, which has considerably extended the time of making decisions on measures of response, the general said.


"Also, the deployment of radio-technical troops on Arctic islands and archipelagoes has made it possible to extend the radar field in Arctic latitudes," he said.
 

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OTH radar antennas can always be added back to cover the other OTH radar blind spots.
Of course, but that require your country to have massive land area, very few countries have a few thounsand km radius to spare
And out of curiosity is their material that deals with 100ghz?
100 Ghz hardly pass through atmosphere, so it mostly used on short range sensor such as MMW radar on Brimstone, Hellfire


Also, Russians have weird RCS measurements when compared to others measure their RCS
No, their standard are the same. You put object inside the anechoic chamber and see their contour map
 

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well I don't actually have to "try to sound smart", Iam smarter than a troll like you. It is pretty much an obvious fact


Frankly, what the actual f*ck you are trying to say?. Are you trying to deflect from the fact that you were wrong all along?
Everyone know jet engine thrust varied with speed and altitude, because jet engine literally need air to operate. The point of the inlet is to slow air down to the velocity which it can be efficiently used by the engine. And that why inlet is the most important factor for aircraft top speed.




I thought that your previous argument were already dumb enough, and here we are, you surprise me with an even dumber argument.
Me and literally everyone on this thread has been explained repeatedly to you that stealth doesn't mean invisible. It mean reduced detection range, to the point that the stealth aircraft can engage a normal aircraft much sooner than vice versa.
It doesn't matter if you can see the stealth aircraft. What matter is "at what distance"?. Sure you can see an aircraft with your eye from 10 meter, 100 meter, even 4-5 km. But at 50 -100 km? well that a whole different story all together
my argument are not wrong.

The thrust at 0km/h can be 100% of what the engine can achieve but with pressure recovery loses will not be 100% but less, you are just fantasizing, it is pretty obvious, you do not understand what an engine needs.

At Mach 1,6 the f135 the engine has pressure loses, thus the engine can not generate 100% of its potential thrust, thus F-35 is limited at Max altitude and speed to Mach 1.6. if it tries to go faster the engine can not deliver 100% of its thrust but less than that so you are fantasizing.


Stealth is not fixed not even the detection range which obviously you do not understand, more power density means longer range, you go to generalize you think all the radars have the same range which shows your ignorance, in fact it shows you do not understand what is a lamp.

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with lamps different wattage different lumens same is a radar but usually they do not use lumens, but decibels, your ignorance is to think RCS is fixed and all radars see F-22 at the same range

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Converting Radar Power in Watts to Decibels
dBW = 10 x log10(PowerWatts)
dBW: Transmitter power output in decibels.
PowerWatts: Transmitter power output in watts.

EXAMPLE: What is the dBW of a 1 megawatt radar?
10 x log10(1,000,000) = 60 dB



which is not true Decibels are equivalent to lumens, so depending on radars F-22 is seen at different ranges your ignorance is you think Nebo sees the F-22 at the same range of Irbis or Zaslon which shows you you do not comprehend what is a radar.

More wattage means longer range of detection, bigger antena means better range too
 

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Of course, but that require your country to have massive land area, very few countries have a few thounsand km radius to spare

100 Ghz hardly pass through atmosphere, so it mostly used on short range sensor such as MMW radar on Brimstone, Hellfire



No, their standard are the same. You put object inside the anechoic chamber and see their contour map
pure fantasy, the formula says RCS is just a variable in it, power density or wave length are others, your fantasy which does not go with physics, is to claim F-22 has a fixed range of detection and swallows Lockheed propaganda numbers, not physics nor math depending on the radar you get different detection ranges, so the Russians give different numbers because they use other radars while lockheed Martin uses a fixed radar calculation very generic to give a commercial and propagandistic value to fool fools that think all radars will detect F-22 at the same range.

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Funny enough, If a conventional radar such as the one on Su-35 and A-50 can easily detect stealth aircraft because as your own word "stealth aircraft doesn't exist". Then how come Russian feel the need to rely on very low frequency radar which are significantly bigger, less mobile and also significantly more inaccurate to detect stealth aircraft?. Well seem like they know the obvious fact that common fire control radar on AWACS, Fighter and SAM site will have significant trouble detecting stealth aircraft from tactically useful distance
Btw, as for Container radars , it is a massive stationary OTH-B radar, which mean it also have a massive blind spot with radius of thousand km right in front of it.





Firstly, the aircraft in the photo is a Su-30, not a Su-27
Secondly, If you know how to read, you will realize the F-35 in that photo were escorting an AN-12 transport aircraft

Kilowatts are a measure of a radar unit’s transmitting output. Theoretically, more is better,

 

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Of course, but that require your country to have massive land area, very few countries have a few thounsand km radius to spare
yes there is a 900km blindspot, but those radars AFAIK cover europe and parts of the middle east so moving more antennas further 900kms back to where the current ones cover can also provide coverage for those blindspots, I think moscow all the way to an island that is close to Alaska is enough territory coverage to spare if we are moving the antennas further east.

100 Ghz hardly pass through atmosphere, so it mostly used on short range sensor such as MMW radar on Brimstone, Hellfire
Say it does, is there such material?

No, their standard are the same. You put object inside the anechoic chamber and see their contour map
so you agree with them giving a .3m2 measurement for the F-22 and .5m2 measurement for the Su-57?

Since I have covered Russian weapons and Rodeo covers Turkish weapons perhaps you can cover U.S. land, sea, strategic missiles and air force weapons for articles?
 

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