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"And Oh yes, Did Israel Specify Pakistans Human Rights Violations More than Indias? Or again you day dreaming about the Israeli Envoys speech, wishing it included those Magical words "More So In Pakistan" Or Pakistan has more human rights violations :p"
how Israel is getting away with the gross human rights violation committed. Face it, it will get away, until the Arab world gets its act together.

I will explain here, not for you, because you very well know the Truth and you are tying to weave a lie out of my statement.
This is another one of your "Judging" statements, so I'll leave it be.

I said the above, Asking you If Israel Specified Pakistan had more Violations!!!!
And I replied saying that it was not Israel that said it, it was me. Then you accused me of jumping on Pakistan when all of my post was on Israel and the little itty-bitty part was about Pakistan's HR violations.

I was HARPING at the part wherein ISRAEL CLUBBED INDIA,PAKISTAN etc TOGETHER!!!! They didnt Say, Pakistan has more Human Rights Violations! The Whole debate is based on your first post in which you specified it, wherein Israeli Envoy DIDNT!!! I was not asking you for an expalanation, I was asking Whether ISRAEL TOOK THE PAIN TO NOTICE THAT PAKISTAN HAS MORE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AND PROBLEMS THAN INDIA!!!!
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Oh my God! Israel clubbed India with Pakistan and Afghanistan! What do we do now? Run for your lives! We have to seriously distance ourselves from the Zionists!
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Israel seizes new Gaza-bound aid ship

Israel seizes new Gaza-bound aid ship

(Reuters) - Israeli forces seized an Irish-owned ship bound for Gaza on Saturday, boarding the Rachel Corrie some 55 km (35 miles) out in the Mediterranean, a spokeswoman for the campaign group supporting the ship said.
It was unclear whether there was any violence, although those aboard had said in advance they would not resist.

An Israeli military spokeswoman said she had no information. Israel had said it would not let the ship through.

The vessel, named after an American pro-Palestinian activist killed in the Gaza Strip in 2003, was seized five days after a convoy of six was halted, including a Turkish ship on which 9 men were killed by Israeli commandos who stormed aboard.

Among those aboard the Rachel Corrie, campaigners said, were Nobel Peace Prize winner Mairead Maguire from Northern Ireland and Denis Halliday, an Irish former senior official at the United Nations.
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Turkey: "Israel is about to lose" best friend in the region


Israel must apologize for killing nine Turkish citizens in its raid on a Gaza aid flotilla this week or face the prospect of losing Turkey as its best friend and ally in the region, Ankara's envoy to Washington warned Friday.

"Israel cannot find any better friend in this region than Turkey, and Israel is about to lose that friend," Turkey's Ambassador to the United States Namik Tan told journalists Friday.

The Israelis "have isolated themselves into a box," Tan said.

Tan, who previously served as Turkey's envoy to Israel, also called on Israel to provide compensation to the victim's families, and to accept an independent, international investigation of the flotilla violence.

The diplomat's demands show an increasingly assertive Turkey more than willing to engage in diplomatic brinksmanship with Israel in the capital of Israel's strongest supporter.

While Turkey has long enjoyed support in Washington pro-Israel circles, new strains have emerged in Washington as Israeli-Turkish tensions have flared. While much of the world has blamed Israel for its role in the flotilla raid, the Obama administration has refrained from assigning blame for the episode, while American lawmakers have issued statements accusing the flotilla activists of provoking the violence, and chastising Turkey for failing to calm down tensions with Israel in its aftermath.

"The sad truth is that we treat Turkey like an ally, while the rest of the world treats Israel like a problem the U.S. has to solve," Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) wrote in the New York Daily News Thursday. "The week's events and Turkey's growing hostility toward Israel upend this misguided world-view.

"In fact, the same 'past tense' we use to describe a once-promising relationship between Israel and Turkey may soon need to be applied to our own relationship with the Turkish nation - if it continues to replace rationality with provocation and a belief in solutions with a culture that celebrates destructive martyrdom," Weiner continued.

"This confrontation and the tragic loss of life could have been avoided had the organizers of the flotilla agreed to Israel's repeated offers to accept the humanitarian aid at an Israeli port and transfer it overland to Gaza under the supervision of those in the flotilla," Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a statement Thursday.

Tan took on the lawmakers' interpretation of events, and seemed to warn Israel that launching a public relations campaign against Turkey would be a costly mistake.

"They should think twice, hundreds of times, millions of times, before making such statements that certain people and certain circles are saying against Turkey," Tan said.

"This is very wrong, and [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu knows this," Tan added. "This is not a sustainable situation."

Tan conceded that Israel may realize that it made a mistake in how it conducted the pre-dawn raid on the flotilla. But he insisted that Israel would have to apologize and accept an international investigation in order to back itself out of the diplomatic corner.

Two previous Turkish demands – that Israel immediately return all of the flotilla activists as well as the bodies of those killed -- have already been met. Ankara is also demanding that Israel loosen its blockade on humanitarian aid going into Gaza -- something the Obama administration has made clear it is pressing Israel to consider.

Even so, Tan said Turkey is "disappointed" in Washington's muted public response to the flotilla violence to date, and its failure to publicly condemn Israeli actions.

The Obama administration is trying to ease strains between two key allies at a particularly delicate diplomatic moment. Ahead of the Gaza flotilla episode, the Obama administration had been planning to try to bring an Iran sanctions resolution to a vote at the UN Security Council this week, but that has now been pushed back, until at least next week.

While Ankara has made clear its longstanding opposition to economic sanctions on Iran as a general principal, Turkey has not yet publicly said which way it intends to vote on the UN Iran resolution, Tan said.

He also noted that the flotilla episode led to the cancellation of an important meeting that was to have taken place in Washington this week between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu that would have focused on Iran. Netanyahu ended up cancelling his trip to Washington to fly back to Israel Monday to deal with the flotilla raid fallout.

Once strong Israeli-Turkish ties have frayed in the wake of Israel's late 2008 military campaign against Hamas in Gaza. Strains have also grown with the rise of the Islamist Justice and Development Party (AKP) of Prime Minister Erdogan, who has sought to improve Turkey's ties in the Muslim world, including with Syria and Iran.

Both Turkey and its long-standing rival Greece announced they were cancelling planned joint military exercises with Israel in the wake of the flotilla episode.

Meantime, the White House urged another ship attempting to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza to sail to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where its cargo could be inspected, so as to avoid another confrontation with the Israeli navy.

"The Government of Israel has stated its desire to avoid a confrontation and a repeat of Monday's tragic events on the Mavi Marmara," NSC spokesman Mike Hammer said in a statement Friday. "In the interest of the safety of all involved, and the safe transmission of assistance to the people of Gaza, we strongly encourage those on board the Rachel Corrie and other vessels to sail to Ashdod to deliver their materials to Gaza."
 

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Can Obama's Muslim engagement survive Gaza?

Posted By Marc Lynch, Kristin M. Lord Thursday, June 3, 2010 - 8:20 PM Share

One year ago today, President Obama delivered a much anticipated speech in Cairo, Egypt in which he pledged "a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect." That new beginning seemed a long time ago this week, as Muslims expressed outrage over America's seeming support for Israel's naval commando attack on an aid convoy headed towards Gaza. It is no accident that the anniversary of Obama's speech has gone virtually unremarked in the Arab media this week, except for a few comments about unmet promises and some juxtaposition of that glorious moment with America's anemic response to Gaza.

The President's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, told a press conference that he did not believe that the American position would have a great impact on Obama's relations with the Muslim communities of the world. Nothing could be further from the truth. If the Obama administration does not change its cautious approach quickly and forcefully address the blockade of Gaza which is the real heart of this week's scandal, it will confirm the crystallizing narrative of a President which either can not deliver on its promises or did not mean what he said. This would be a sad epitaph for the President's carefully nurtured outreach to the Muslim world.

From the administration's earliest days, it emphasized the need to repair America's relations with the more than one billion Muslims of the world who, while extremely diverse, also share a common religious bond and came widely to believe that America was at war with Islam. President Obama discarded the language of a "war on terror" in order to deny violent extremists like al-Qaeda the opportunity to define America's relations with the world's Muslims. It viewed this not as a luxury, but as an urgent strategic necessity for winning the war against al-Qaeda and restoring America's standing across the world.

Nothing demonstrated the priority placed on America's outreach to Muslims as powerfully as President Obama's "New Beginning" speech in Cairo. The speech addressed directly the issues of greatest contention: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Iran, violent extremism, women's rights, and democracy and human rights. Obama recognized the necessity of engaging directly with these contentious political issues if he was to get a hearing on new forms of cooperation around issues of common interest. The president shrewdly gambled that respectful but direct engagement on such political issues would open the door to positive engagement in areas upon which a long-lasting durable relationship could be built--especially the reinforcing confluence of education, economic development, and science and technology.

The president's speech was received warmly by Muslims around the world who were eager for a fresh start after the Bush administration, about which their negative opinions were long since fixed. Gallup polls show that approving views of the job performance of the leadership of the United States jumped 22 percent in Mauritania, 13 percent in the Palestinian territories, and 12 percent in Egypt between February and March of 2009 and the months immediately following the Cairo speech.

But the high expectations raised by Obama's Cairo speech led to a backlash when few concrete programs immediately materialized. Within months, grumbling began about America's failure to match words with deeds. To the frustration of the White House, Muslims focused more upon America's failure to compel Israel to freeze settlement construction in the West Bank and East Jerusalem than on the call for a broad new relationship between the United States and the Muslim communities of the world. This should not have been a surprise: as Obama himself clearly recognized when he decided to prioritize it in Cairo, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has for decades been the litmus test by which Muslims and Arabs judge American credibility and intentions. If the White House believes its outreach efforts can proceed as if the Gaza flotilla debacle had not happened, then it has learned nothing from its struggles last summer.

While little noticed, the administration has in fact eventually begun to deliver on the promises made in Cairo. It created a new corps of American businesses to partner with counterparts in Muslim majority countries, and hosted 250 Muslim entrepreneurs from around the world at a Summit of Entrepreneurship as part of an effort to promote new economic opportunities. It named science envoys to Muslim majority countries, and planned to launch centers of scientific excellence around the world. Its withdrawal from Iraq remains on track, it has renounced torture, and it has dropped the rhetoric of a "war on terror." And it has used social media to build networks based on common interests--especially among the Muslim world's massive, discontented youth population.

But those efforts have struggled to gain traction with Muslim publics still more inclined to focus on "big ticket" political issues, in part because of the limited media attention to such initiatives. The inability to make progress on a Middle East peace agreement, the lack of progress on closing Guantanamo, and the widely reported use of drone strikes in Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Yemen have fueled a narrative that Obama has in fact changed little despite his more appealing rhetoric. For months there has been a palpable sense that the Obama bubble has burst. Gallup tracking polls show that between February and April of this year approval figures dropped 9 percent in Mauritania, 4 percent in the Palestinian territories, and 18 percent in Egypt.

The Gaza flotilla crisis therefore threatens the President's ambitions far more than his administration appears to recognize. The initial U.S. response, perceived as reflexively supporting Israel against near-universal international criticism over the blockade of Gaza and its attack on the aid convoy, has sparked a torrent of outrage. The new networks based on common interests, so central to the administration's vision, will likely disintegrate in the face of sharp disagreements over policy. If Obama genuinely believes in the urgent strategic imperative of rebuilding relations with the world's Muslim communities, he must quickly--and personally--address the ongoing blockade of Gaza and use the crisis as an opportunity to underscore the need for a peace process and the delivery of humanitarian aid to Palestinians. If he tries to ignore the issue or simply defend Israel's actions, then the first anniversary of the Cairo speech will also be its epitaph.
 

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Egypt confronts its role in the Gaza blockade

Posted By Issandr El Amrani Friday, June 4, 2010 - 4:54 PM Share


The silver lining in the tragedy of Israel's brutal raid on the Free Gaza flotilla is a new urgency about lifting the blockade on Gaza and addressing the territory's humanitarian crisis. Calls for the blockade to be lifted have been made in the Arab world, in Europe and even, albeit more timidly, by the Obama administration. But Israel's siege is not the only thing that has been highlighted: the role of Egypt, Tel Aviv's silent partner in the blockade, has also been brought to the fore. This is an uncomfortable development for Egypt, which denies playing any role in the blockade even as it closed its border with Gaza at Rafah since the June, 2007 Hamas takeover. Even now, after quietly opening the Rafah border crossing to avoid popular outrage, the Egyptians are preventing an aid convoy led by the Alexandria Pharmacists Association from reaching the crossing. The renewed uproar over Rafah has the potential to destabilize Egypt, exponentially raising the cost of its participation in the Israeli-led, Quartet-endorsed blockade -- an outcome that the Egyptians will seek to avoid but is also a concern for their Arab allies, Israel and the Obama administration.

The Egyptians have for the past three years offered an elaborate explanation to deflect blame for their enforcing of the blockade -- despite the fact that the border, with a few exceptions for a few medical cases and hajj pilgrims, has remained closed since June 9, 2007. Whatever the legal merits of Egypt's position, domestically and regionally it lost the moral and political argument: there has been widespread outrage at what is essentially seen as Egyptian collaboration with Israel to punish Gazans for Hamas' actions. Its intentions have also been made clear by acts that can be best described as petty and vindictive, such as the treatment of last December's Viva Palestina convoy, which arrived at the southern Sinai port of Nuweiba only to be told to it could not disembark: it was forced to go to the northern Sinai port of al-Arish by heading back to Jordan, driving up to Syria, and then chartering a boat to al-Arish. Its reported intention of building an imposing wall across the border has been the subject of intense debate.

Why has Egypt taken such an unpopular hard line towards the Rafah crossing into Gaza? What will it do now?

Firstly, the Egyptian regime has been concerned about the precedent that Hamas' political electoral success in Palestinian elections in January, 2006 set for the region, particularly after Egypt's own Muslim Brotherhood secured an unprecedented 20 percent of parliament. It wants Hamas to fail. Mustafa al-Fiqi, the chairman of parliament's foreign affairs committee, noted at the time that "Egypt will not accept the establishment of an Islamic emirate along the eastern border." Yet, despite its overt and covert support for Fatah and, until June, 2006, a substantial intelligence presence in Gaza, it has failed to contain Hamas. This has been a personal failure of Omar Suleiman, Egypt's intelligence chief, who has now spent five years assuring visiting dignitaries he has a plan to reverse Hamas's rise without anything to show for it.

Secondly, Egypt's ties with Israel and the United States have been prioritized over the Palestinian cause, even if this comes at a domestic cost. Between 2006 and 2009, the U.S. Congress aggressively pressured Egypt to do more to constrain weapons smuggling to Gaza, with military aid threatened for the first time. In 2009, U.S. and Israeli lobbying resulted in the construction of a metal wall at the border and the intensification of operations against tunnel smugglers. There has been a concurrent increase in support for the Mubarak regime in Washington, notably once the Obama administration came into office: not only have pressures on human rights and democratization vanished, but backlogged military purchases such as a multi-year $3.2 billion F-16 deal have been approved by Congress. While this is in part because of the new administration's wish to distance itself from Bush administration policies, it is also due to its perception that Cairo is a crucial ally in its handling of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Of course, Egypt also has legitimate security concerns about Hamas' control of Gaza. It is concerned about radicalization of the territory and believes that Gazan groups more radical than Hamas may have provided training for the terrorists who carried out three major attacks in Sinai between 2004 and 2006. (It is generally believed Hamas has imposed order in Gaza and checked smaller radical groups and criminal gangs.) The issue of weapons smuggling not only affects Israel's security, but also Egypt's, as stockpiles of explosives discovered in Sinai over the past year suggests. The dismantling of a network of Hizbullah network last year, recognized by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah to be involved in smuggling to Gaza, has also raised concerns that Egypt could be drawn into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Even worse, officials fear a plan to "dump" the problem of Gaza on Egypt's lap, something Israeli strategists have contemplated for decades. Already facing tense relations with the Bedouin population of Eastern Sinai, the regime has no desire to become responsible for Gaza, one of the most radicalized places on the planet.

But perhaps most importantly, it is the Mubarak regime's own security that is threatened. During the Gaza war, Nasrallah made an unprecedented call for the Egyptian military, as well as citizens, to force the regime to open the border. Many officials I spoke to during the war felt that the "resistance front" of Iran, Syria, Qatar, Hizbullah and Hamas -- as well as pro-Palestinian activists around the world and media outlets such al-Jazeera or al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper -- was waging war on Egypt as much as Israel. It was a flashback to the 1980s, when Egypt had been kicked out of the Arab League for signing a separate peace deal.

The regime has been suppressing activism on Gaza, despite growing tolerance for activism on other issues in the last decade. Campaigns against the blockade have been thoroughly suppressed, with even the new independent press treading carefully on the issue. Pro-Gaza activists have been arrested and foreign activists deported. The Muslim Brotherhood, which has organized one of the biggest aid drives for Gaza, has nonetheless refrained from any major demonstration condemning the regime on its Gaza policy since the war. Battered by a wave of arrests in the last three years, the Brotherhood has been unwilling to risk more clashes with the regime. There are few issues as sensitive as Gaza policy in Egypt today. Meanwhile, senior officials such as Prime Minister Ahmed Nazif and Gamal Mubarak, the president's son, have articulated an "Egypt First" policy that is widely echoed in the official press, often relying on anti-Palestinian stereotypes and chauvinism.

Parts of the opposition have suggested alternatives to the current policy, though. After the flotilla incident, Mohamed ElBaradei -- the former IAEA chief who is campaigning for democratic change in Egypt -- called for the opening of Rafah and slammed the regime, tweeting that "the opening of the Rafah crossing is the demand of every Egyptian and Arab. In a democracy, foreign policy represents the will of its people." Short of opening full trade relations, providing humanitarian assistance is a more likely scenario. Essam al-Erian, a prominent member of the Muslim Brotherhood and Gaza aid organizer, is one of many who argues that opening the border to Gazans is not incompatible with national security, since safeguards can be put in place. This is a reasonable position, albeit one the government has chosen to ignore.

It is not clear how "Egypt First" will fare in the wake of the outcry over the flotilla incident. The very first statement issued by the Egyptian presidency after the incident was that "the blockade can only be lifted when Palestinian reconciliation takes place" -- the standing policy -- only to be overturned hours later by a presidential directive to open the border "for an indefinite time." With thousands protesting in Cairo and around the country over several days -- and participants chanting anti-Mubarak slogans and making the link between the regime and Israel explicit -- closing Rafah was no longer tenable. More likely, though, is a policy of deliberate ambiguity: while Palestinians have crossed through the Rafah terminal in the last few days, much of the aid is still getting held back or being made to go through Karam Abu Salem. There is no clear commitment to keep Rafah open, and Cairo has lobbied hard at the Arab League to keep diplomacy focused on action at the UN Security Council and away from Egyptian policy.

Egypt's next concern will be the future of the blockade. In the short term, international focus will be on providing humanitarian relief and construction materials. Ultimately, though, Gazans and their supporters worldwide want to restore the economic integrity of the Palestinian Occupied Territories -- their ability to trade among themselves and with rest of the world. For this, international support for Palestinian reconciliation would be necessary. Egypt's position will be that that it is up to Israel to do that, with international support, on its side of the border. The Obama administration is reportedly pushing Israel to relax the enforcement of the blockade.

But what if Israel refuses to budge? If there is no breakthrough, the pressure returns on opening Rafah -- and the last thing Egypt wants is to be seen as responsible for Gaza. Its priority is thus to ensure it does not come out a loser from the fallout of the flotilla incident. The Mubarak regime is being confronted by its complicity in the Gaza blockade just as its legitimacy has plummeted amidst uncertainty over Mubarak's health (he was hospitalized for three weeks in March and is rumored to have cancer) and Egypt's future leadership. That too will play a role in the calculations of not only the Egyptians, but also the Obama administration.
 

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Sweetened poison: How Obama lost Muslim hearts and minds

Posted By Fawaz A. Gerges Friday, June 4, 2010 - 6:14 PM Share

A year after President Obama's historic speech last June 4 in Cairo, the reality of his Middle East policy is in sharp contrast to the promising rhetoric and high expectations he raised. Obama's address, coupled with a concerted outreach strategy, made a deep impression among Arabs and Muslims. Many hoped that the young African-American president would seriously confront the challenges facing the region and establish a new relationship with the world of Islam.

Although it is not too late for Obama to close the gap between rhetoric and action, sadly for now, he has not taken bold steps to achieve a breakthrough in America's relations with the Muslim arena. His foreign policy is more status quo and damage control than transformational. Like their American counterparts, Muslims desperately long for real change that they believe in.

Unless President Obama takes risks in the Middle East, he might end up leaving a legacy of broken promises and shattered expectations in the region. Unless addressed effectively, Obama runs the risk of rupturing America's relationship with the Muslim Middle East further.

The Arab and Muslim response to the Cairo speech last year revealed a sense of optimism, of real change, tempered with instinctual scepticism. There also was a widespread feeling among many Arabs and Muslims that a man with the name, Barack Hussein Obama ("Blessed Hussein is with us"), would understand their universe better than his predecessors and treat them as partners, instead of subordinates, and rectify previous mistakes and misuses of American power.

Obama raised expectations that concrete action would follow. Even forces of defiance and resistance, such Hizbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, conceded that what Obama said represented a breath of fresh air in U.S. foreign policy. But across the political spectrum, all stressed they would assess his policies and actions, not only words.

A year later, there is an increasing belief among Arabs and Muslims that Obama has failed to live up to his sweet words. The terminology of the War on Terror is no longer in use but Guantanamo Bay is still open and President Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and elsewhere. His Arab-Israeli peace drive has reached a deadlock, and Obama lost the first round against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. His promise to free the Palestinians from Israeli military occupation and to help bring about an independent Palestinian state will unlikely materialize in his first term in the White House.

The new president has also put the brakes on democracy promotion, and instead, embraced America's traditional Middle Eastern allies--Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, and Israel--regardless of their domestic politics and conduct towards their citizens.

Obama's inability to match rhetoric and action has deeply disappointed Arabs and Muslims who had hoped that the young president would transform America's relations with the region, or, at least, open a new chapter. An increasing number of Arabs and Muslims say that the young president talks the talk, but does not walk the walk, and that his policies are an extension of his neoconservative predecessor--a sweetened poison. For them, Obama's rhetoric rings hollow, empty talk. Public opinion polls and surveys do not fully reflect the depth and intensify of disillusionment with Obama. An entrenched view has taken hold among Muslims that the U.S. is not genuine about engagement and pays lip service to their hopes, fears, and aspirations.

Obama likely misjudged the complexity of the region and the exuberant political costs associated with a transformational strategy. His promises of genuine engagement and building a new relationship with Islam's 1.3 billion people are no longer taken as seriously, a fact that undermines the credibility and efficacy of his foreign policy in the greater Middle East, including the wars against Al Qaeda, the Taliban in Afghanistan and their Pakistani cohorts and counterinsurgency in general. Middle Easterners will not buy rhetoric emanating from the White House unless accompanied with a concrete shift in U.S. policies toward the region. Obama's outreach to Muslims is at risk because of widely-held perceptions that he either does not mean what he says or cannot deliver on his tall promises.

Obama has implicitly conceded that his Cairo speech rhetorically overreached. In an interview with Time Magazine, Obama surprised his interviewer when pressed on the Israeli-Palestinian issue: "This is just really hard...and if we had anticipated some of these political problems on both sides earlier, we might not have raised expectations as high."

If Obama really wishes to repair the damage wrought by his predecessor and to build a new relationship based on mutual interests and respect, he must have the will and vision to chart a new course of action and invest some of his precious political capital in resolving festering regional conflict, particularly the establishment of a viable, independent Palestinian state, and making structural investment in institutional building and civil society.

To do so, Obama's foreign policy team must answer several critical questions. Every president has limited political capital to invest in international relations. Is Obama willing to take stock of American foreign policy toward the greater Middle East, particularly relations between the United States and its local authoritarian clients? Is he willing to structurally reconsider the traditional U.S. approach, which views the region through the prisms of oil, Israel, and terrorism? Is he willing to listen to the fears and aspirations of young Muslims and to take risks to help bring about real change in their societies? Is he willing to invest precious political capital in freeing the presidency from the claws of the lobbyists and special interest groups who have a stranglehold over the country's Mideast policy?

Arabs and Muslims too must realize that Obama does not possess a magical wand and does not bare all the blame for the lack of political progress in the region. Unfortunately, they placed high and unreasonable expectations on a new president without considering the complexity of the U.S. foreign policy decision-making process and the reality of American domestic politics as well. The imperial presidency is powerful but presidents' hands are often constrained by Congress, the foreign policy establishment, domestic politics and the media and public opinion and advocacy groups. Obama's domestic and foreign policy agenda is crowded and, on his own, cannot deliver an Arab-Israeli peace settlement.

Perhaps a better question on this one year anniversary is what influence Muslim states can exercise in Washington, and what they are willing and able to do to support the desired transformation of relations. Will they be willing to employ their rich assets and present a genuine unified position? If history is a guide, the answer is a resounding no. If they really want to see meaningful change, then Muslims must lend a helping hand to steer the U.S. foreign policy ship in the right direction. Arabs and Muslims must stop whining and blaming the young president and, instead, play an active role in influencing U.S. foreign policy and bringing about real, lasting change.
 

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Autopsy shows Gaza activists were hit 30 times: Report

LONDON: Nine Turkish activists killed in an Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship were shot a total of 30 times and five died of gunshot wounds to the head, Britain's Guardian newspaper reported on Friday.

Autopsy results showed the men were hit mostly with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range, the Guardian said, quoting Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine which carried out the autopsies on Friday.

Israeli commandos stormed a flotilla of aid ships planning to break the Israeli sea blockade of Gaza on Monday. The deaths, which all took place on one ship, the Mavi Marmara, drew widespread condemnation.

Israel said the marines who rappelled onto the Mavi Marmara fired in self-defence after activists attacked them with clubs and knives as well as two pistols snatched from the commandos.

The autopsy results showed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back, the Guardian said.

A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has U.S. citizenship, was shot five times from less than 45 cm (18 inches) away, in the face, the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back, it said.

Two other men were shot four times. Five of those killed were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, the Guardian quoted Buyuk as saying.

In addition to those killed, 48 others suffered gunshot wounds and six activists were still missing, he added.

Israel said the multiple gunshot wounds did not mean the shots were fired other than in self defence.

"The only situation when a soldier shot was when it was a clearly a life-threatening situation," the Guardian quoted a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London as saying.

"Pulling the trigger quickly can result in a few bullets being in the same body, but does not change the fact they were in a life-threatening situation," the spokesman said.

The newspaper quoted Haluk Ince, chairman of the council of forensic medicine in Istanbul, as saying that in only one case was there a single bullet wound, to the forehead from a distant shot, while every other body showed multiple wounds.

He said all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds. Of the other round, Ince said: "It was the first time we have seen this kind of material used in firearms. It was just a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns. It penetrated the head region in the temple and we found it intact in the brain."

No-one at Turkey's forensic laboratory could immediately be reached for comment.

Turkey, Israel's only Muslim ally, stepped up its rhetoric over the killings on Friday, accusing the Jewish state of betraying its own biblical law.
 

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There is some weird perception that Turkey is heading towards some crazy fundamentalist regime led by a "Islamist" political party and that is the reason for the strained ties with Israel. Nothing could be further from the truth. First of the the ruling part AJK can hardly be called Islamist as it does not advocate establishing an Islamic state. It has infact, brought legislation to ban death penalty and done more than any other party to comply with EU regulations to make its entry. Moreover, they have consistently insisted on maintaining the secular character of Turkey. This article gives a pretty good account of whats happening in the last few years in the Turkey - Israel alliance.

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Gaza flotilla: Turkey's stance is a lesson to the west
Growing strains in Turkey's relationship with Israel, which reached a nadir this week over Israel's killing of Turks on the aid flotilla to Gaza, are raising new questions about the balance Turkey is striking between its long-standing western allies and its status as a rising power in the Middle East.

Leading members of Turkey's ruling party have indeed given at least moral support to the Turkish activists who organised the flotilla. And it is true that activists have staged rallies numbering in the thousands in Turkey to condemn Israeli actions, chanting Islamist slogans and burning the occasional effigy of the US president. Israeli spokesmen have gone so far as to accuse these activists of links to al-Qaida, an unproven claim.

A dispassionate overview of what Turkey has been trying to achieve in recent years shows that such analysis and accusations miss the mark. Yes, Turkey is trying to change western policies, especially those that turn a blind eye to the human consequences of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. But it is using legitimate channels, such as its hard-won seat on the UN security council.

The strain in ties with Israel is not a function of the Turkish government's ideology. Just over two years ago, Turkey hosted promising proximity talks between Israel and Syria, broken off only when Israel launched its winter 2009 assault on Gaza. Indeed, crises have always followed a perception among the Turkish public that an injustice is being done to the Palestinians, whether during the six-day war in 1967, the declaration of Jerusalem as capital of Israel in 1980, or the occupation of West Bank towns in 2002. The golden era in Turkish-Israeli relations in the 1990s coincides exactly with the years of the Oslo peace process.

Such attempts by Turkey to add stability to its region are characteristic of its efforts in the past decade. One by one, Turkey has agreed with Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Libya to implement visa-free travel, to open new road, rail and communications links, to integrate energy infrastructure, to sign free-trade accords, and to hold regular joint cabinet meetings. Similar arrangements are being entered into with other countries in the region. Turkey is explicitly imitating lessons from the EU that proved how such convergence can end cycles of conflict.

This is not just a Middle Eastern or "Islamic" policy, since these ideas of greater openness and integration have been applied to ties with Russia and Greece. And nor does it mean any fundamental change in Turkey's basic stance towards Europe and the west. More than half of Turkey's exports go to Europe. EU states account for 90% of foreign investment in Turkey, and more than four million Turks already live in Europe. By comparison, Middle East states take less than 25% of Turkey's exports, account for just 10% of its tourists, and contribute at most 200,000 in immigrant workers.


It is true that Turkey's EU negotiations have stalled, and not for the first time in a half-century of convergence. This time, however, the primary responsibility for pushing Turkey away lies in attacks on the process by populist politicians in France, Germany, Austria and the Greek Cypriot government.

Turkey's dispute with Israel is therefore not evidence of a Turkish animus against the west. Turks may have been the main organizers of the Gaza flotilla, but they were joined by activists, vessels and supplies from more than 30 countries, including several politicians from EU states. There is nothing un-European about protesting against Israel's punishment of the inhabitants of Gaza. All that is uncharacteristic of today's European states is that Turkey is actually doing something to end it.

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I would like to add the Operation cast-lead the Israeli operation against Lebanon was launched by Israel with letting the Turks know right in between negotiations. In any scenario this would be a highly disrespectful step to the peace broker and bound to cause a backlash especially since you haven't broken away from negotiations officially.
 
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4 rockets hit Israel

Four Qassam rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel Thursday, causing no injuries.

One rocket was fired at Sderot Thursday evening prompting the Color Red alert to go off. The Qassam apparently exploded in an open area near the town.

Earlier in the evening, two rockets landed near the southern city of Ashkelon, while another rocket landed in the Ashkelon Beach region, near a kibbutz.

The two rockets near Ashkelon exploded around 9 pm in an open area south of the city. The anti-rocket alert was activated in facilities and factories in the city's southern industrial zone, prompting employees to take cover.

Ashkelon Mayor Benny Vaknin said that security officials asked him to "maintain full alert ahead of the possible firing of Qassams and Grad missiles" after the Gaza-bound flotilla left on its way to the Strip.

"To our great regret, we already experienced such fire," he said. "We very much hope not to see an escalation in the near future."

On Tuesday, the Air Force responded to Qassam attacks on the south by striking several targets across the Gaza Strip, killing three Islamic Jihad and Popular Resistance Committees members.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3898895,00.html
 

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My Dear friend, Cement is Aid!! Especially in a place where buildings are no more and Cement and other bulding materials are very much AID.

Israel is telling that Cement and all will be used for mortars and other stuff by Hamas, that is their reason for not letting the stuff in. I guess Gaza has to sleep in the open!
but whats guarantee that it will used for home making purpose can turkey give in written or those who where carrying aid material can gave in written to the government of isreal that any of there material specially cement wont be used for purpose other then making home for poor people
 

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but whats guarantee that it will used for home making purpose can turkey give in written or those who where carrying aid material can gave in written to the government of isreal that any of there material specially cement wont be used for purpose other then making home for poor people
I never knew cement can be used to manufacture bombs, rockets, guns or exploding devices.

I beg your pardon mate, but could you please clear my naivety?
 

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Maybe anoop has invented a way of making a thermonuclear bomb out of cement!
 
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I never knew cement can be used to manufacture bombs, rockets, guns or exploding devices.

I beg your pardon mate, but could you please clear my naivety?
my qestion is regarding making of bunkers by hamas a militray organisation by these cements .my question remained the same would government of turkey or made providing the aid can give in written that to GO Israel that cement wont reach in hands of hamas and other militray organisation? and what hamas has done as government controlling gaza part? they never shoulder any responsibility . dose life of citizens had become good after hamas came to power?
 

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my qestion is regarding making of bunkers by hamas a militray organisation by these cements .my question remained the same would government of turkey or made providing the aid can give in written that to GO Israel that cement wont reach in hands of hamas and other militray organisation? and what hamas has done as government controlling gaza part? they never shoulder any responsibility . dose life of citizens had become good after hamas came to power?
We would never know If Gaza would be administered well by Hamas, because just as they came to power, Israel declared War and Blockaded it and the only trade taking place is rockets for missiles!

Hamas has come down actually, from their earlier hardcore anti israel stance, because they too have agreed in principle to recognise Israels right to exist if Israel moves to pre 1967 war map!!! But Israel is in no mood for all that. The Russians Talk with Hamas, hell everyone except US and Israel see Hamas as a legimtimate political party. There is no way Gazans will come out of Misery unless Israel sees them as humans and lifts the blockade, if not for Gaza, atleast for Humanity.
 
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What's strange is that Hamas is democratically elected, and came to power during George Bush's global evangelization of democracy. Of course, they only practice what they preach when it is convenient for them, and the Bush Administration refused to deal with Hamas. Israel of course will never concede an inch until it has US backing, and so this is a never-ending conflict. The Palestinians will keep fighting for the right to be treated as human beings, and Israel will keep tightening the noose around their necks because they would never want a viable Palestinian state to co-exist with Israel.

It's analagous to a stranger (Israel) forcibly taking posession of your house, and then keeping you locked in the basement only allowing you the bare necessities of life.
 

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What's strange is that Hamas is democratically elected, and came to power during George Bush's global evangelization of democracy. Of course, they only practice what they preach when it is convenient for them, and the Bush Administration refused to deal with Hamas. Israel of course will never concede an inch until it has US backing, and so this is a never-ending conflict. The Palestinians will keep fighting for the right to be treated as human beings, and Israel will keep tightening the noose around their necks because they would never want a viable Palestinian state to co-exist with Israel.

It's analagous to a stranger (Israel) forcibly taking posession of your house, and then keeping you locked in the basement only allowing you the bare necessities of life.
Completely agree with you, especially the Basement lock up part! The People of Palestine have their leaders to blame who dreamed of throwing the Jews into the Sea, when in Reality they were just cowards and now face the possibility of being shot at Sea!!!

As Israel saw the Palestenians were weak, their neighbours weaker, the superiority complex played in I guess, and the God Syndrome worked in. Maybe they derive some sort of pleasure punishing the people, while in Reality the leaders, be it Yassar Arafat or anyone else, pretty much lived of decently. Its the poor children growing up in Gaza who are bearing this inhumane torture. Israel owes them a Childhood, especially since it calls itself the only true Democracy in the middle east! Ending the Blockade will make that task easier!
 

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Turkish PM mulls over joining Gaza aid flotilla backed by Turkish Navy

From: NewsCore June 06, 2010 12:11AM
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TURKISH Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was considering sailing to the Gaza Strip as part of an aid flotilla backed by the Turkish Navy.

Lebanese newspaper al Mustaqbal quoted security sources as saying that Mr Erdogan was pondering the move in order to break the barrier imposed against Gaza by Israel.

It said that "as part of the open conflict between Turkey and Israel following the massacre against the 'freedom sail' to Gaza and the protest sparked in the world, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan is considering going to Gaza himself in order to break the blockade imposed on the Strip."

The sources said Erdogan raised the option in discussions with associates.

The report added that the Turkish leader also told the U.S. that he planned to ask his navy to escort another aid flotilla - but officials in Washington asked him to delay the plan in order to look into the matter.


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The move followed strong criticism of Israel by Erdogan after Israeli armed forces killed several people on board an aid flotilla Monday, sparking widespread international condemnation.

When the possibility of Erdogan joining a flotilla was posed to Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli prime minister, he said such a move was not a "realistic scenario" and dismissed it outright.

"Some of these reports must be taken with a grain of salt ... I am not sure that is a realistic scenario," he told Sky News.

"I prefer that we sort these things out peacefully. Nobody wants any saber-rattling. It does not do any good," said Regev.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...-by-turkish-navy/story-e6frf7lf-1225875975866
 

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Does Mr Tayyip think he is Saladin? Well he must know Saladin was a Kurd not a Turk ;)

On a reasonable note, I am kinda getting a feeling that many are trying to get Political Mileage out of this Incident. I see no signs of anything concrete being done to End the Seige and feed the starving population of Gaza! Only Talk here, and Talk there!
 

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