India's First Manned Space Mission

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Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

The talk about exploitation of moon was said by other member and that's why i have said that even Americans have not started it yet . Exploitation of moon can be not good for Earth and i think Moon will be used for placing weapons to shoot down asteroids in future . I don't know for sure but just guessing





10B$ was quite a lot in the 60's , but now does the cost of making such launches as increased or decreased ? ISRO has been a revolution and its launching satellites in away to less cost in the lower orbit and upper orbit and this is the reason that more and more foreign companies are coming to ISRO for the satellite launches . Do you have any rough idea how much it cost India ?




Are there any plans by any government to make space station on moon ? Is it possible in anyway to make base on moon as there would be zero gravity ? If there is any such venture is taken by Governments then India should for sure join.



When this manned moon mission is going to be launched ? 2015 .. really excited for it . By October next year , Mars mission details would be in front of us .



I have seeing some days back on discovery channel , if you are having any specific interesting youtube clip , please post it .

May be we will continue this thread and make it sticky for India's Moon Mission .

Yes the cost has decreased by a lot since then, plus US was jumping several step ahead in those days from no rockets to biggest rocket in history, and I'm no expert, but still it will be huge money for country like India. Because we will have to develop new evolution of GSLV MK3 With bigger cryogenic engines to bigger boosters. ( MK3 is capable of 5 tons to GTO, so may be approx 4tons to TLI(Trans-lunar injection), where the Saturn-5(Apollo) rocket had like 45+ tons payload to TLI, meaning we will have to go 2-3 step further). Such a space program will cost no less then 4-5B $ in India today(including development, many prototype launches/test and the actual mission). But this will be spread out over next 10 years atleast. Once the rocket design is successful, sending a single rocket will not be that costly and should be around 200-300 million $ for each rocket or even cheaper(discounting the payload cost). So having such a program will cost initially a bomb, but once it is successful, it will enable us to do a lot of new missions such as space station program, mars exploration spacecraft, bigger telescope in space etc quite cheaply apart from the commercial advantage. Chinese/Russians are also not much ahead when it comes to such heavy rockets and both the country are trying to develop the bigger rockets capable of such task quite recently. But the thing is, if we don't start such project, we will again be left behind, USA's falcon heavy will be able to take more than 18 tons to GTO, Arian 5 can already shoot 10 tons to GTO, whereas our Mk3 (scheduled for 2017) will have the capacity for 5 tons only to GTO.

2015 for manned moon mission? , It will be somewhere around 2022, if we start the project today. Also the Utube thing was just a suggestion for the people who might have missed those ISS videos which came in last 2 years, seems like the Gravity movie has copied a lot from those videos.

EDIT: Regarding the space station on the moon not really needed and doesn't seem feasible unless we find diamond(or any such rare, but useful material easily available on the surface). One could put more then twice of the payload in LEO for military purpose and it will be quick response system, but from the lunar it will take quite to lot of time to reach to earth and the fuel used for such purpose will increase the cost as well.

 

[Deccani]

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Yes the cost has decreased by a lot since then, plus US was jumping several step ahead in those days from no rockets to biggest rocket in history, and I'm no expert, but still it will be huge money for country like India. Because we will have to develop new evolution of GSLV MK3 With bigger cryogenic engines to bigger boosters. ( MK3 is capable of 5 tons to GTO, so may be approx 4tons to TLI(Trans-lunar injection), where the Saturn-5(Apollo) rocket had like 45+ tons payload to TLI, meaning we will have to go 2-3 step further). Such a space program will cost no less then 4-5B $ in India today(including development, many prototype launches/test and the actual mission). But this will be spread out over next 10 years atleast. Once the rocket design is successful, sending a single rocket will not be that costly and should be around 200-300 million $ for each rocket or even cheaper(discounting the payload cost). So having such a program will cost initially a bomb, but once it is successful, it will enable us to do a lot of new missions such as space station program, mars exploration spacecraft, bigger telescope in space etc quite cheaply apart from the commercial advantage. Chinese/Russians are also not much ahead when it comes to such heavy rockets and both the country are trying to develop the bigger rockets capable of such task quite recently. But the thing is, if we don't start such project, we will again be left behind, USA's falcon heavy will be able to take more than 18 tons to GTO, Arian 5 can already shoot 10 tons to GTO, whereas our Mk3 (scheduled for 2017) will have the capacity for 5 tons only to GTO.

You do have knowledge on this subject and that's why you are able to say all this . really very good info

2015 for manned moon mission? , It will be somewhere around 2022, if we start the project today. Also the Utube thing was just a suggestion for the people who might have missed those ISS videos which came in last 2 years, seems like the Gravity movie has copied a lot from those videos.

Some member posted this article on this thread .

India's first crewed space mission is scheduled for 2015, designs for which were unveiled last year by Madhavan NairMovie Camera, former chairman of ISRO. The three-person vehicle will initially carry two vyomanauts into 275-kilometre low-Earth orbit. Before this flight, ISRO will launch its second moon mission in 2013.
Wanted: four 'vyomanauts' for Indian spaceflight - space - 05 January 2010 - New Scientist

EDIT: Regarding the space station on the moon not really needed and doesn't seem feasible unless we find diamond(or any such rare, but useful material easily available on the surface). One could put more then twice of the payload in LEO for military purpose and it will be quick response system, but from the lunar it will take quite to lot of time to reach to earth and the fuel used for such purpose will increase the cost as well.

So you are saying that if any big asteroids approach towards Earth , those can be shot down from space or from earth . i have read that already Americans and Russians are just one step behind in weaponisation the space which is seperate from the spy satellites .

 

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You do have knowledge on this subject and that's why you are able to say all this . really very good info



Some member posted this article on this thread .

India's first crewed space mission is scheduled for 2015, designs for which were unveiled last year by Madhavan NairMovie Camera, former chairman of ISRO. The three-person vehicle will initially carry two vyomanauts into 275-kilometre low-Earth orbit. Before this flight, ISRO will launch its second moon mission in 2013.
Wanted: four 'vyomanauts' for Indian spaceflight - space - 05 January 2010 - New Scientist



So you are saying that if any big asteroids approach towards Earth , those can be shot down from space or from earth . i have read that already Americans and Russians are just one step behind in weaponisation the space which is seperate from the spy satellites .

That is for Manned space mission, not for the manned Moon landing mission. Space missions are possible with MK2 size rocket, as they will be carrying only the reentry vehicle and 3 crew inside with little O2 and 2 space suites at max just to shoot them in air like we do for satellite and recover them after a few rotations around earth. Probably the work for a day or 2 max. While moon landing will require a large vehicle which can land on the moon safely(meaning rockets and fuel to decelerate when approaching moons surface without harming it, then again should be able to take off from moon(it has gravity, but very low) and enough supply for weeks and other provisions.

Asteroids can theoretically be shot down, but I guess, if An Asteroids is so big that it can breach the earth's atmosphere and than able to hit earth's surface, then we may need more than a few atom bombs to destroy it. Or else it will be like, we will only be scratching its surface with bombs and it will still keep moving in the same direction as it is. But if that's the case then it will be better to hit it little sideways, so as to try and change its direction. But these things are quite far fetched. And in case we have an asteroid which is as big as Bangladesh, then imagine the momentum of such mass traveling at 30k-40000 Km/hour speed. no amount of nukes or whatever is going to stop it or even make much dent on it.

 

[Deccani]

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Asteroids can theoretically be shot down, but I guess, if An Asteroids is so big that it can breach the earth's atmosphere and than able to hit earth's surface, then we may need more than a few atom bombs to destroy it. Or else it will be like, we will only be scratching its surface with bombs and it will still keep moving in the same direction as it is. But if that's the case then it will be better to hit it little sideways, so as to try and change its direction. But these things are quite far fetched. And in case we have an asteroid which is as big as Bangladesh, then imagine the momentum of such mass traveling at 30k-40000 Km/hour speed. no amount of nukes or whatever is going to stop it or even make much dent on it.

If atom bombs are required then we cant shoot down those asteroids close to the earth atmosphere , be it size of Bangladesh or size of Nepal or Sri Lanka because it will destroy ours own existence and affect our own people because of the debris of that big asteroids .

 

[praneetbajpaie]

Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............What a joke

How will India launch a "MANNED MOON MISSION"..............does India have a launch vehicle for that ?

Leave alone launch vehicle India does not even have technical capability for anything near for that kind of mission...

First build a proper heavy launch vehicle,then send humans to space,after that master all associate technologies like docking and reentry and then dream of going to moon.

No wonder India doesn't have the technical capabilities yet considering the fact that idiotic a**ho**s like you are in abundance in this country. We may never have such capabilities.

 

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If atom bombs are required then we cant shoot down those asteroids close to the earth atmosphere , be it size of Bangladesh or size of Nepal or Sri Lanka because it will destroy ours own existence and affect our own people because of the debris of that big asteroids .

If any such endeavors it will have to be done much much farther away from earth even farther than the moon(as once the asteroids comes under the effect of earth's gravity even if you break it, all the part still will be pulled to earth) Also it will take only a few seconds to reach the asteroids to earth once it enters atmosphere(like an ICBM). Practically no time for any 2nd chance and even destroyed debris will cover the earth like cloud and could be much worse as all the part will still be falling on earth but in more scattered(wide) way.

 

[Deccani]

Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

If any such endeavors it will have to be done much much farther away from earth even farther than the moon(as once the asteroids comes under the effect of earth's gravity even if you break it, all the part still will be pulled to earth) Also it will take only a few seconds to reach the asteroids to earth once it enters atmosphere(like an ICBM). Practically no time for any 2nd chance and even destroyed debris will cover the earth like cloud and could be much worse as all the part will still be falling on earth but in more scattered(wide) way.

The reason why i said about Moon because its the closet to earth and it can be like a shield in covering the earth . Is there any plans to place weapons on moon for shooting down asteroids .

Some months back Meteor crashed in Russia .

Meteor that crashed in Russia was part of a 656-foot wide asteroid that broke off during its orbit around Earth | Mail Online

But the problem would be this that the powerful countries will dictate terms once weapons are placed in space .

 

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The reason why i said about Moon because its the closet to earth and it can be like a shield in covering the earth . Is there any plans to place weapons on moon for shooting down asteroids .

Some months back Meteor crashed in Russia .

Meteor that crashed in Russia was part of a 656-foot wide asteroid that broke off during its orbit around Earth | Mail Online

But the problem would be this that the powerful countries will dictate terms once weapons are placed in space .

Why would any country will spend hundreds of Billions for shooting something which is not going to threaten us for may be next hundreds of years. The last big meteor which hit the earth was in Dinosaur ages. Really you don't need to worry about something like that. And the technology evolution is fast, meaning what we could do from the moon base could probably easily be done from earth in next a few decades, all that investment will be for nothing.

EDIT: Actually Moon has shielded the earth many times naturally since its existence(many of those big spots on the moon) and allowing the earth to develop life. But the frequency is in thousands of years.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............What a joke

How will India launch a "MANNED MOON MISSION"..............does India have a launch vehicle for that ?

Leave alone launch vehicle India does not even have technical capability for anything near for that kind of mission...

First build a proper heavy launch vehicle,then send humans to space,after that master all associate technologies like docking and reentry and then dream of going to moon.

Sir before 2008 Moon mission was dream, then before 2013 Mars mission was dream, but become reality (ofcourse we have to wait for Sep 2014 for Mars) mission. Point is two fold first we have to dream and dream big, second Tech is changing fast and we are fast catching up. Hope this GDP growth rate continues at 6-8% pa and these dreams will come alive.

Dont worry about launch vehicle and their capabilities ISRO guys will have to solve problems. Let them work on it and dont underestimate your countrymen's abilities.

take care.

 

[Deccani]

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Why would any country will spend hundreds of Billions for shooting something which is not going to threaten us for may be next hundreds of years. The last big meteor which hit the earth was in Dinosaur ages. Really you don't need to worry about something like that. And the technology evolution is fast, meaning what we could do from the moon base could probably easily be done from earth in next a few decades, all that investment will be for nothing.

EDIT: Actually Moon has shielded the earth many times naturally since its existence(many of those big spots on the moon) and allowing the earth to develop life. But the frequency is in thousands of years.

There are some big powers which are using the meteorites and asteroids as an excuse and if i am not wrong even star war program was based on something like this and even the Russians are saying the same .

Russian Scientist Proposes Satan Missiles to Fight Asteroid Threats | Russia | RIA Novosti

 

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There are some big powers which are using the meteorites and asteroids as an excuse and if i am not wrong even star war program was based on something like this and even the Russians are saying the same .

Russian Scientist Proposes Satan Missiles to Fight Asteroid Threats | Russia | RIA Novosti

Their is no excuse in that report atleast, Thats the soviet era rocket good enough for 100m dia object(significantly small and pretty much harmless in context of earth). They already have thousands of nukes and ICBMs. Weaponization(or bases) of moon is not a practical solution unless we find something on moon which can further extend the range of such rockets(or vehicle) otherwise whats the use of setting up something on moon, which can be done in space itself. Things should go along the line of ISS. I mean in current space station itself, if you add further modules(such as engine and 7-8 fuel tanks, sent from earth via rockets), it itself will become an space craft capable of long distance journey to other planetary objects such as mars(not taking the human effect into account, for that "artificial gravity"(check wiki for more info) will be needed, similarly weapon modules can also be added. Moon base is feasible when we could ride to the moon much cheaper(like today's airplane in few thousand $, new invention is needed in this regard, but you never know when it will happen. There may be a possibility that some country in future may try to develop experimental small bases, but it will be insignificant at the current level of human advancement). And yes USA most probably already has started the Weaponization of space(secretly, at lower level, they don't give info on many of their probes sent into space), nothing we can do about it except for developing our own rockets/techs and be prepared for any such hostility.

 

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Let me guess, this mission will be scheduled just before the 2019 Lok Sabha elections

UPA's third "space achievement" poll campaign checklist item in the making.

 

[nirranj]

Re: After Mars mission, India plans manned moon mission

There are a number of proposals for exploiting the moon for different purposes. One such is to mine Helium-3.

More on He-3,

Helium-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the article on He-3 in Wiki the following can be found.

The primary objective of Indian Space Research Organization's first lunar probe called Chandrayaan-I, launched on October 22, 2008, was reported in some sources to be mapping the Moon's surface for helium-3-containing minerals.[46] However, this is debatable; no such objective is mentioned in the project's official list of goals, while at the same time, many of its scientific payloads have noted helium-3-related applications.

On destroying the metoerites or Asteroids, we can use large Magnetic impulses, lasers, thrusters to deviate them from their earth bound orbit or path. A small deviation will make them to skip earths orbit altogether and vanish into the vast expenses of the universe.

some interesting articles to read on this,

Asteroid impact avoidance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Will We Be Able to Deflect an Earthbound Asteroid? | LiveScience

Will Asteroid Apophis Hit Earth in 2036? NASA Rejects Russian Report | LiveScience

BBC - Future - Science & Environment - Laser treatment for Earth-bound asteroids

 

[CrYsIs]

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That is not strictly speaking true. The GSLV mk 3 does have the launch mass capability to take a crew capsule to Low Earth Orbit LEO with enough thrust to spare. If you see the Chinese rocket that has been taking up crew members to LEO you can see that the launch capability to LEO is only uptill 7000kg.Long March 2F - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But the GSLV MK 3 will have a launch capability of uptill 10000 kg into LEO..

I too know that GSLV can carry humans to LEO but carrying a man to LEO is different from landing a man on the moon.

You are mixing the two issues of manned space mission and manned moon mission.Manned moon mission is all together a different ball game

GSLV MK3 is too weak a vehicle to carry all the equipment required to reach the moon.

The American Saturn V which is famous for carrying Apollo Lunar mission had a payload capacity of 120,000+ KG as opposed to mere 10,000 kg of GSLV MK 3.

 

[CrYsIs]

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No wonder India doesn't have the technical capabilities yet considering the fact that idiotic a**ho**s like you are in abundance in this country. We may never have such capabilities.

Irrational ranting and nationalistic jingoism will not do anything.Be practical,thats all i wish to state.

First do everything step by step and then dream of big things.

At first we must prove the reliability of GSLV,then develop powerful rockets and master technologies required for a manned space program and then dream of a manned moon mission.

 

[vram]

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The American Saturn V which is famous for carrying Apollo Lunar mission had a payload capacity of 120,000+ KG as opposed to mere 10,000 kg of GSLV MK 3.

noted. That's why I mentioned earlier that the we will be able to send only a orbiter and not a heavier lander. China's moon mission used the LONG MARCH 3B rocket which has a LEO payload capacity of 12 000 kg and this included a lander and rover . So not that far from feasibility using the GSLV mk 3 with a two man crewed orbiter. But the science that can be achieved out of this mission is questionable. For that matter the science that can be achieved out of any manned mission for INDIA currently is questionable.
We can try checking with the russian to see if the energia Rocket can be rebuilt from the older designs. My understanding is that it will be more cost effective than the saturn series will almost equal capacity.
To BE honest I dont forsee India being capable of supporting an Saturn or Energia kind of booster for the next 20 years. The cost is going to be prohibitivelyexpensive leave alone our nazi liberal who cry for the 70 million $ or so that was spent for this mangalyaan projective. Saturn-apollo program for inflation adjusted current prices costed a whooping 200 billion dollars for USA in today's price..

 

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Well I understand that that moon mission is quite far away, but ISRO might be planning to send man in space, using GSLV MK2, after a few of its successful fights, that's why the requirement for the crew so early. So we may seeing Indians in Space using our own rockets in near future.

 

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It took Chinese 7 years to send a man into space.
And then another 10 years to make it mature.
The most optimistic date for Chinese manned moon mission is 2025 while Chinese scientists have 2030 in mind.

Now, Indian think they can finish all these steps in just 16 years! Is that possible?

 

[nimo_cn]

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It took Chinese 7 years to send a man into space.
And then another 10 years to make it mature.
The most optimistic date for Chinese manned moon mission is 2025 while Chinese scientists have 2030 in mind.

Now, Indian think they can finish all these steps in just 16 years! Is that possible?

if they are willing to take the risk of launching a manned mission with unproved immature technology, it's possible.

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