Indian special forces carry out cross border operation into Myanmar. Several militants killed

[pmaitra]

No further discussion or open a new thread !!

There is nothing to discuss. It has been established that any foreign national serving in the military are mercenaries, by dictionary definition or UN definition.

Now, apologize to @DingDong.

 

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http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/high-alert-sounded-in-northeast/article7307117.ece

A high security alert has been sounded across the northeast after reports that Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) militants have entered India for revenge attacks following the Army’s strike in insurgent camps.

The move came after a high-level meeting chaired by Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and Vice-Chief of the Army Staff Lt. Gen. Philip Campos, where intelligence inputs were shared.

By these inputs, 20 militants belonging to the NSCN(K), the People’s Liberation Army of Manipur, the United Liberation Front of Asom and groups such as the newly formed United National Liberation Front of West South East Asia crossed the India-Myanmar border for revenge attacks after Tuesday’s surgical strike, sources privy to the discussion said.

The top security establishment took stock of the security situation in the northeast and the fallout of the Army strike.

The government expressed “satisfaction” and may order similar strikes in future if the situation demands as the Tuesday-morning Army operation was “successful”, the sources said.

However, the government may exercise caution considering the sensitivities involved with regard to Myanmar, where the general election is due soon.

Sources said Mr. Doval, who will visit Myanmar soon, would brief the Myanmarese leadership about the circumstances that made India take the bold step of ordering surgical strikes against militants operating from that country’s soil.

There have been reports that India informed Myanmar about the Army’s strike only after completion of the operation and that upset the Myanmar leadership.

However, the government has been maintaining that Myanmar has been informed well in advance.

 

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http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-m...itant-camp-was-found-empty-say-sources-770969

NEW DELHI: Early on Tuesday morning, as the team of the elite 21 Para (Special Forces) moved closer to the Ponyu camp - a few kilometres inside Myanmar - they realised that it had been largely empty, contrary to intelligence inputs, sources have told NDTV.

Niki Sumi, the military commander of NSCN(K), which is believed to have been responsible for the killing of 18 soldiers of the 6 Dogra unit of the Indian Army on June 4, was also to be in the camp.

As the para commandos went about smashing the camp, they realised that most of the rebels had fled. Top government sources told NDTV that Sumi is known to change locations frequently. "We cannot rule out the possibility of the rebels anticipating punitive action, after killing 18 soldiers," the official told NDTV. The government, sources say, is looking into what could have led the rebels to flee.

Sources said that the rebels may have guessed that they could be in the cross-wire after having carried out an audacious attack and may have decided to empty the camp.

"These camps are not permanent structures, and are abandoned or set up according to convenience," officials said.

Top sources have told NDTV that the para commandos spotted some of the ultras fleeing and followed them for at least three kilometres and neutralised them. It is understood that inputs and radio intercepts suggest that the commandos chased and neutralised at least 15 ultras and injured some more. It is not yet clear whether Sumi too was neutralised by the para commandos.

An alert has been sounded across the North East after intelligence reports that the NSCN (K) may be planning retaliatory strikes after the Army neutralized two of its camps on Tuesday.

 

[pmaitra]

Even as Indian security agencies go all out against NSCN (Khaplang) and its allies, the militants are appearing nervous with Myanmar army also "flushing them out" and forcing them towards the Indian side of the border.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...owards-Indian-border/articleshow/47636652.cms

New Delhi: NSCN(K) leader SS Khaplang, whose outfit carried out the June 4 attack on the Army in Manipur, is believed to be ill and convalescing in a Yangon hospital. 75-year-old Khaplang, suffering from old-age related ailments, was shifted from his base in Tago, located along the Sino-Myanmar border, to Myanmar's biggest city Yangon about four months ago, official sources said. Myanmar had informed India about shifting Khaplang, who is a Myanmarese national, to Yangon in February and New Delhi had conveyed its no objection to that, sources said.

Source: http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=127898

From the second source:

NSCN (Issac-Muivah), which is in peace talks with the Centre, had expressed its desire to help security forces hunt down its arch rival NSCN-K rebels, who killed 18 soldiers in Manipur, but the offer was turned down.

There was an offer from NSCN-IM to security forces that it would like to join the operations against NSCN-K militants in Manipur, Nagaland as well as across Indo-Myanmar border immediately after the June 4 incident, sources privy to the development said.

I think this was the correct step. Allying with one bad guy to destroy another bad guy might work in the short term, but in the long term, these allies will turn into a Frankenstein.

 

[Bhadra]

Ongjia in Myanmar - .54 to 2 km from the border

 

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Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...owards-Indian-border/articleshow/47636652.cms


Source: http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=127898

From the second source:

I think this was the correct step. Allying with one bad guy to destroy another bad guy might work in the short term, but in the long term, these allies will turn into a Frankenstein.

That's how they brought Ulfa via Sulfa to negotiation

 

[pmaitra]

That's how they brought Ulfa via Sulfa to negotiation

Yes, that was the Bhutanese Army flushing out all the trouble makers. It is about time to eliminate as many as these militants as possible. Once that is done, the government should take some concrete steps to bring about development in the North East, which will generate jobs, and take away the motivation from the youth to join these militant groups.

 

[apple]

Nepalm is banned under Geneva Convention. Napalm can also be dropped from helicopters though. Secondly, there is confusion about / between MI-17 and MI-35. Both can be used is suppressive fire / fire support role. I doubt about MI-35 being there and think that MI-17 were used in fire support role as rocket pods and Gatling can be fixed on Mi-17 as they did in Kargil.

India has not used Napalm even during Kargil, If I am correct.

Suppose napalm could be dropped from helicopters, but that wouldn't, to me, make much sense. Planes are much, much, much better at doing that.

Pretty sure,although I don't really know, that the Geneva convention doesn't mention napalm. Whether the Indian government has made laws concerning use of napalm by the military, I'd have no idea. But, DingDong was correct that non uniformed combatants can, legally, be treated very harshly under the terms of the Geneva convention,

And as an aside, uniformed members of any nations military, irrespective of nationality are not, legally, considered unlawful combatants or mercenaries.

Nobody said 48000 Gurkhas of the Indian army are mercenaries. You made that up.

Nobody is trying to insult the 48000 Gurkhas of the Indian army. Foreigners serving in the Indian Army are mercenaries by definition.

 

[Bhadra]

Suppose napalm could be dropped from helicopters, but that wouldn't, to me, make much sense. Planes are much, much, much better at doing that.

Collateral damadge..

Pretty sure,although I don't really know, that the Geneva convention doesn't mention napalm. Whether the Indian government has made laws concerning use of napalm by the military, I'd have no idea. But, DingDong was correct that non uniformed combatants can, legally, be treated very harshly under the terms of the Geneva convention,

Geneva Convention does not recognise them as combatants.

And as an aside, uniformed members of any nations military, irrespective of nationality are not, legally, considered unlawful combatants or mercenaries.

One has to be a soldier to feel the pains of such stupid assertions. Even Islamic Armies which constituted mostly mercenaries would have not been called "Soldiers of God"... to allow them to get rid of that sick feeling ..

Nepalm and Geneva Convention :

https://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule84

 

[Anikastha]

Our threats inside Afghanistan and Pakistan must be neutralised with these kind if ops . Let us show what our army is capable of

Do you think we want to send our forces to pakistan while daily diwali is going on..

 

[Bhadra]

Do you think we want to send our forces to pakistan while daily diwali is going on..

What happened in History ? Same things are likely to happen. That is what most people are afraid of.

 

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Collateral damadge.

Sure, although I still can't see how napalm would be a very useful weapon to use with helicopters. Napalm "bombs" are really big and heavy, much too heavy for helicopters. Maybe there's some napalm in some kind of incendiary rockets that helicopter might fire
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Nepalm and Geneva Convention :

https://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule84

Thanks for that, although that's the Red Cross not the Geneva Convention and it doesn't seem India is a signatory to that convention anyway. I copy pasted a quote from your link below


India
In 1973, in its reply on the report of the UN Secretary-General on napalm and other incendiary weapons and all aspects of their possible use, India stated that possible agreement could only be found on restrictions of use against civilian objects. It stated that it would “take an active interest in, and promote” a prohibition of all inhumane weapons, including incendiary weapons, against civilian targets, with due regard for the principles of reciprocity and right of retaliation.

At the Third Preparatory Committee for the Second Review Conference of States Parties to the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons in 2001, India stated that it “fully supported the idea of expanding the scope of the [Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons] to cover armed internal conflicts”.

 

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reports of KLO chief Jivan Singh got eliminated in cross border strike

 

[Bhadra]

Suppose napalm could be dropped from helicopters, but that wouldn't, to me, make much sense. Planes are much, much, much better at doing that.

Pretty sure,although I don't really know, that the Geneva convention doesn't mention napalm. Whether the Indian government has made laws concerning use of napalm by the military, I'd have no idea. But, DingDong was correct that non uniformed combatants can, legally, be treated very harshly under the terms of the Geneva convention,

And as an aside to some of this forum's window lickers, uniformed members of any nations military, irrespective of nationality are not, legally, considered unlawful combatants or mercenaries.

Thanks for reply..
Napalm bombs as rightly said by you are heavy bombs and do not have good accuracy..
During Kargil operations, the Indian forces and the Pakistani occupants were in close proximity and I suppose it would have been very dangerous to use such area and inaccurate weapons jeopardising security of own troops.
The IAF carried out pin point strikes by precision munitions and rocket pods of MI-17 being accurate.

 

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http://zeenews.india.com/news/jammu...b-sector-of-jammu-bsf-retaliates_1611933.html

Pakistan opens fire at Phagwara sector, Jammu

 

[Srinivas_K]

and 30 character limit ..........

 

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http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/th...-in-myanmar-raises-heat-in-pakistan/370833?hp

During this ^ discussion poor Barkha Dutt wasn't able to be as apologetic as she would like to be, about Pakistan.

NDTV is trying to sell this notion that GOI shouldn't have mentioned it as cross cross border strike. But I really want to know if GOI said it in the first instance.

Only thing these PR hungry channels including Barkha Dutt, who was even today flaunting her sources, were referring to their sources and suggesting that it was a cross border strike; from the very seconds of the first flash news started coming.

That Idiot Sambit Patra wasn't able to point out the same to her that it was media not GOI who went chest thumping about everything.

If Burkha Dutt is so concerned about India's image and thinks InA correspondence was rightly ambiguous and politically correct then why their fuckin channel not waited for the InA's response and then stick to it, for sake of larger benefit of the country ?

I mean, first these channels (like they did in Nepal) go over the board while reporting, then put the bill on GoI's name. I remember Barkha Dutt was itching to blame GoI for Nepalese reaction, to her surprise Shobha De went blasting against media which busted her negative alliance she wanted to tag team with her.


From the word go I knew NDTV has planted this SF operation news such a way that they will then put GOI to cross examination and let all GoI detractors have a field day at them.

NDTV website is now running another misleading heading to let fake degree AAPtards to troll on the News that army attacked an empty camp but the content of the news suggest that one of the camp was empty and GOI is investigating if the information of the strike was compromised or it was mere a coincidence as the terrorists keep moving.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-m...y-say-sources-770969?pfrom=home-lateststories

Look at the reaction below by congi and aap supporters.

 

[Blackwater]

marvi memon ka jalwa. she should visit delhi uber taxi and i will be the driver

 

[Bhadra]

NOW The MEA WANTS TO TAKE THE SOLDIERS CREDIT VIA THAT NOTORIOUS PARVEEN SWAMY ...
through this paid article

How MEA helped Army set stage for strike in Myanmar

Raid came after a decade-long programme of secret diplomacy reaching out to Myanmar’s Army

Written by Praveen Swami | New Delhi |

The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) played a critical role in setting the stage for Tuesday’s cross-border strikes deep inside Myanmar by securing permission, highly-placed diplomatic sources told The Indian Express. The raid, sources said, was the culmination of a decade-long — and deeply controversial — programme of secret diplomacy reaching out to Myanmar’s armed forces, facing international sanctions since a 1988 coup. Sources said New Delhi received assent from the Myanmar government on Monday for its plan to fly in special forces to attack three insurgent camps 15-20 kilometres across the border, in the dense forests of Myanmar’s western Sagaing division. The details of the operation were shared with Myanmar’s military by the defence attache at the Indian Embassy, Colonel Gaurav Sharma, after Ambassador Gautam Mukhopadhyay secured high-level clearance.

Earlier this year, sources said, Myanmar’s military had also responded to requests for action against the NSCN (Khaplang) faction, sending in troops to target its main base at Taga. However, the insurgents disappeared into the forests ahead of the action by Myanmar. New Delhi’s request for action came amid reports that the NSCN(K) was providing training to a welter of Northeast insurgent groups, including Paresh Barua’s United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) and the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB). External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj had raised the issue of military cooperation against insurgents during her visit to Myanmar in August 2014, and received assurances of assistance.

“In actual fact”, a senior diplomat said, “depending on the state of relations and how willing they are to cooperate for their own reasons, Myanmar has done more at times, so long as it is well handled and they are not put in an embarrassing position”. Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore’s admission that India crossed the border into Myanmar, another diplomat said, “could complicate things for the government there”. For years, Indian diplomats have been working patiently to secure Myanmar’s cooperation against Northeast insurgents — in the face of Western calls to back the democracy movement of Aung San Suu Kyi, then imprisoned by the military Junta. India staged limited cross-border operations against Northeast insurgents in 1995, targeting a column that was taking arms from Cox’s Bazaar in Bangladesh through the Mizoram forests.

The Army’s 57 Division, working together with the Myanmar Army, killed 38 insurgents and arrested 118 in the course of Operation Golden Bird — named after a Grimm Brothers fairytale — that summer. But Myanmar’s Army withdrew cooperation after Suu Kyi was awarded a medal by the Indian government. Then, in the late 1990s, India resumed cooperation with Myanmar, providing its military with badly-needed arms and equipment. In 2012, it was to emerge that India had resold 83-milimetre Carl Gustaff rocket launchers to the Myanmar military, which it used against Kachin Liberation Army insurgents. Sweden, which had sold the equipment to India, formally protested — and received an assurance that equipment would not be resold in the future. In the years after, though, India provided a range of equipment to Myanmar’s armed forces, including four Islander maritime patrol aircraft, naval gun-boats, 105 mm light artillery guns, mortars and rifles. The payoff from the support became evident in 2010, when the Home Ministry’s joint secretary S Singh and Myanmar Army commander for Chin state, U Nay Wing, signed an agreement that Indian forces could pursue insurgents across the border. In May last year, Ambassador Mukhopadhyay and Major General Kyaw Nyunt, Myanmar’s Deputy Defence Minister, signed a landmark agreement on security cooperation between the two countries. The agreement provided for coordinated patrolling and intelligence sharing. Part of the reason is that Myanmar itself has become increasingly frustrated by cross-border insurgency. In March, a Myanmar Air Force jet bombed the Chinese city of Lincang, killing four civilians. The raid targeted insurgent leader Phone Kya Shin, who attempted to seize Laukkai, the capital of the self-administered Kokang region. Phone Kya Shin, also known as Peng Jiasheng, allegedly played a major role in drug trafficking. Myanmar officials say former Chinese military officials are involved in training the insurgents.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/cross-border-operations-how-mea-helped-set-stage-for-strike/

 

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marvi memon ka jalwa. she should visit delhi uber taxi and i will be the driver

Arnab Goswami ne en sab ke lai ke rakhi hui hai. So they are coming out one by one to make a dent but haven't been able to put forth single argument worth taking seriously.

I feel sorry for Zaid Hamid, his services were desperately required this hour of need. I think it was RAW's conspiracy to get him arrested before Myanmar operation.