Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Bornubus]

We already use MX4. Even SWAT teams have them now.

We all know how defense deals are materialize in India.


Anyway it failed in trials and issued to BSF which is deployed in one of the most diverse climatic conditions where scorching heat during daytime and extreme cold at night in Thar desert.

Our weapon system trials are strict because of Diverse climatic conditions.

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Italian arms major Beretta has agreed to replace faulty weapons supplied by them after they failed at a BSF test fire facility in Gujarat recently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...78/Rs-200-cr-defective-guns-BSF-headache.html

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

The frog of MARCOS are now holding Tavor instead of AK-47. Interesting.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

They must have slowed it for obvious reasons because they dont want to hurt their sparring partner.But believe me Pekiti trisha kali is the world best system when it comes edge and impact weapons.When it comes to empty hand JKD is best system.

I am glad that our armed forces are learning Kali and JKD not karate or other systems that are not suited for fighting in hit to kill situations.

Only PTK and modified form of JKD. This training is outsourced to a third party which brought PTK to India.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

Para SF .............Shaurya Chakra .......

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He's featured in this video released by ADGPI.

 

[Immanuel]

MX4 is a reliable weapon, as per Indian conditions, most if not all imported weapons fail. There was an initial batch of MX4 that has issues, for now, they seem to be fine. The only weapons to have a reliable service life in the army are either AK variants or FN's SLR. We need to look at FN products. Tavor seems to be doing well as well. Anyways MX4 is a good short range weapon, better than the MP5 and ideal for NSG, VBSS & SWAT use, it can be converted to .45 cal when needed making it ideal for knock out kills in CQB situations

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The induction of these we-peon are part of scam, Reports are available ..

Not first batches but latter as well..

The excuse given here is faulty 9mm rounds from Beretta, Which we fire regularly on range without any issues..

 

[abingdonboy]

NSG (SAG) drill at a high school in Chandigarh:

 

[reddevil9]

MARINE COMMANDO
NAVY DAY CELEBRATION

 

[abingdonboy]

MARCOs in the "kill house":

 

[abingdonboy]

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MARINE COMMANDO
NAVY DAY CELEBRATION

At Vizag, MARCOs (EAST) detachment

 

[abingdonboy]

(not Special Forces but worth posting here IMHO), Indian Navy security team (fleet protection) members:

@Kunal Biswas got an id on the helmet?

Pretty funny these guys have better helmets than MARCOs!

 

[abingdonboy]

Indian Navy MARCOs:

 

[armyofhind]

Indian Navy MARCOs:

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These guys have really given thought into upgrading their kit. Almost on Par with Western special forces now.
Probably the only thing now needed is a AC-130 type gunship.

Seems like such a far cry from the days of old when they even trained on crossbows and shurikens.

 

[ezsasa]

These guys have really given thought into upgrading their kit. Almost on Par with Western special forces now.
Probably the only thing now needed is a AC-130 type gunship.

Seems like such a far cry from the days of old when they even trained on crossbows and shurikens.

Donno if crossbow is standard equipment, but I had met a guy who had sold TAC-15 crossbows to IA three years back.

 

[piKacHHu]

These guys have really given thought into upgrading their kit. Almost on Par with Western special forces now.
Probably the only thing now needed is a AC-130 type gunship.

Seems like such a far cry from the days of old when they even trained on crossbows and shurikens.

IMO Following things are still missing:
1. CAMO pattern of BPJ and Knee guards should be same as the MARPAT camo. Such a contrasting colour difference (Black & white) defeats the purpose of camo.
2. Dedicated radio sets with p-rails combat helmet.
3. Better wide angle and bi-ocular NVGs equivalent to PVS 15/18.
4. LMG operator with M249/Negev equivalent for suppressive/cover fire.
5. DMR operator or Tavor with bipod for short range sniping.

 

[armyofhind]

Donno if crossbow is standard equipment, but I had met a guy who had sold TAC-15 crossbows to IA three years back.

MARCOS used to use cyanide tipped arrows with a crossbow earlier for sentry silencing.
Now switched to suppressed firearms. Though they are still not as silent as a crossbow.

 

[armyofhind]

IMO Following things are still missing:
1. CAMO pattern of BPJ and Knee guards should be same as the MARPAT camo. Such a contrasting colour difference (Black & white) defeats the purpose of camo.
2. Dedicated radio sets with p-rails combat helmet.
3. Better wide angle and bi-ocular NVGs equivalent to PVS 15/18.
4. LMG operator with M249/Negev equivalent for suppressive/cover fire.
5. DMR operator or Tavor with bipod for short range sniping.

MARPAT Camo BPJs yes.. they should be used when using MARPAT camo.

SF already use dedicated radio sets. As for helmets with p rails, I think these guys also have them now if the VBSS teams have them.

MARCOS and GARUDS already use Negevs. The PKM is used by Para SF.

DMRs and STAR-21s are used as well by all SF.

As for NVGs, I don't know why but our SF seem to opt for monocular NVGs rather than Binoculars.
Probably to preserve natural night vision along with the enhanced one from the devices.
purely a matter of personal preference.

 

[abingdonboy]

These guys have really given thought into upgrading their kit. Almost on Par with Western special forces now.
Probably the only thing now needed is a AC-130 type gunship.

Seems like such a far cry from the days of old when they even trained on crossbows and shurikens.

True they have come a LONG way but I still think they have a long long way to go to get on par with Western SF units. They are now equipped to the standard those top end Western SF units were in the mid 00s (so about a decade behind still), budgetary pauctiy is now no longer an excuse, there is ample funds with the MoD/GoI to make Indian SOFs up to the standards of the top top Western units. How many times in the past decade have we had it demonstrated how vital these units can be (26/11, Abbotobad, Alabama rescue at sea, Paris, Westgate and recently the post Uri surgical strikes etc etc etc).

Still Indian SOFs are lagging behind? It's criminal neglect.

Am hoping the tri-service SOCOM gets MoD approval soon, this will give a real boost to modernisation efforts.

 

[rkhanna]

^^^ 1 Team (26 operators?) of DevGru costs US$50Mill to equip (rifles, kit, Vehicles, etc). It cost anywhere between $2Mil - 4 Mill of costs for 1 soldiers annual training ( Bullets, fuel, gear replacements, etc).

India Cannot afford that. SPECIALLY with no unified SF Command SF units have a very low discretionary budget.

Secondly- All the kit in the world is useless without training - whats the point of buying expensive kit when we will run out of money to train on it.

Lastly. Indian SF kit is just fine. The ONLY one place we are lagging behind is optics. Please dont go by shiny Press Releases by PR agencies.

This is how a TIER 1 SOF unit looks like in a combat zone

This is what a Press Release Picture from SF in training looks like

The Singular most Hitech thing that will be common to both Pictures is Comms and Optics. Everything else is fluff

 

[rkhanna]

Add Airpower to the above - 140th SOAR - C-130Specters, Pavelows, Little Birds, UAV's - Ever see an American SF unit go into combat without aircover?

When they do it becomes a hollywood movie on bravery. For Indian SF operating with no safety blanket is bread and butter.