Indian Ocean Developments

[Yusuf]

There is a String around String of Pearls, Add USN, JMSDF, RAN and SKN. That is a more formidable line up than anything China will be able to muster.
Put these in context with LPD's Purchase!

India creates, Vietnam, Maldives, Sychelles and India itself: String 1
US creates, South Korea, Australia, Japan and USN(Diego Garcia) : String 2.

Guess, who is wetting their pants now? It is most definitely India's Ocean!

String of Pearls is a joke actually. I don't think china can use it offensively. Its for securing energy supplies by deft maneuvering. Still compare the countries involved in the strings and the one being strung by India and US to out maneuver China. China will have to work overtime with its diplomacy. Still india is known to be complacent and dropping its guard. It should not happen in the future.

 

[Adux]

India is known to be easy and naive, complacent and utterly idiotic!

 

[Rage]

India is known to be easy and naive, complacent and utterly idiotic!

^^ +1.

We need a strategy that effectively deals with their propping up bases, or potential 'outposts' or 'conduits' or whatever the heck you want to call it, of our own. And we need one that doesn't hamper itself with delays in construction, stupid politics at the intra-state and inter-state levels and a foreign-office that concedes too much when it presumes itself to lose the upper hand.


RITES and IRCON are already rebuilding and operating the rail system in Mozambique. Alongwith the Chabahar-Farahj rail track in Persia. We need to go on overt mode to build and operate the rail systems in friendly countries, including in Bangladesh, in Sri Lanka in the North and in Burma, in Sittwe, while simultaneously overhauling our rail infrastructure, especially in the North, rapidly and very effectively. Under China's high-speed rail plan, two networks will eventually connect China to Europe—with terminuses in London and Berlin—and a third will link to Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, and Singapore. Chinese engineers have already begun work in Burma, and Beijing says Central and Eastern European countries are keen for building to start. Unfortunately, China outpaces us where money is concerned. Which is where, we must leverage our crucial status, as a conduit with Western countries, utilizing links to provide technologies or goodies or the promise of greater integration into the world economy, where we can.

 

[Phenom]

Like it matters to the chinese about what maldives has to say.

We have to atleast appreciate the intention.

These guys are better than the lankans, who are taking money from us and at the same time allowing Chinese to build their ports. The Maldivians are clearly taking our side instead of trying to benefit from the Indo-Chinese rivalry like the Srilankans.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

There is a String around String of Pearls, Add USN, JMSDF, RAN and SKN. That is a more formidable line up than anything China will be able to muster.
Put these in context with LPD's Purchase!

India creates, Vietnam, Maldives, Sychelles and India itself: String 1
US creates, South Korea, Australia, Japan and USN(Diego Garcia) : String 2.

Guess, who is wetting their pants now? It is most definitely India's Ocean!

Chinese can not maintain supply lines to have a viable string of pearl strategy be succesful; in an offensive sense. Also why would 3rd countries be interested in being caught in the middle of any conflict between two giant powers?? Indian govt should make it clear any 3rd countries that work against India in a conflict will be open to any kind of retaliation(nuclear). Russians have expressed the same to their neighbors, it has not stopped the missile shield in Europe but countries like Poland know they have invited a possible Russian nuclear assault by doing so.

 

[Yusuf]

We have to atleast appreciate the intention.

These guys are better than the lankans, who are taking money from us and at the same time allowing Chinese to build their ports. The Maldivians are clearly taking our side instead of trying to benefit from the Indo-Chinese rivalry like the Srilankans.

Sri Lanka is a bad case of Indian screw up. For your information, Hambantota was offered to India to be built. India refused so SL went to China.
India got caught in the midst of choosing between national interests or Tamils of SL. Coalition politics didn't help as india sacrificed national interests and SL landed in the lap of China. Don't call the lankans ungrateful. India didn't help matters because of lack of clear vision and policy on SL.

 

[Virendra]

We have to atleast appreciate the intention.

These guys are better than the lankans, who are taking money from us and at the same time allowing Chinese to build their ports. The Maldivians are clearly taking our side instead of trying to benefit from the Indo-Chinese rivalry like the Srilankans.

I have seen people from Pakistan, Bangladesh and China post here. Never came across a Srilankan or Nepali on this forum. Anyone ?

 

[Yusuf]

I have seen people from Pakistan, Bangladesh and China post here. Never came across a Srilankan or Nepali on this forum. Anyone ?

Sri Lankans busy capturing our fishermen and Nepalis busy guarding our homes???
Seriously though no idea, I have not seen them in other forums too. It may have to do with lack of knowledge about foruming or lack of internet penetration among general populace as well as lack of interest in geo political discussion.

 

[Adux]

Which is where, we must leverage our crucial status, as a conduit with Western countries, utilizing links to provide technologies or goodies or the promise of greater integration into the world economy, where we can.

Next to impossible in the current attitude among the masses and with Communist being in the highest office, and with a population who act as parasites when it comes to easy money, or undeserved money. The Lazy, Socialist and hardcore commie behavior of Indians have to change, or maybe I am stuck in Kerala for long. We have not made great economic reforms after NDA left power and in the 90's.

 

[Adux]

Chinese can not maintain supply lines to have a viable string of pearl strategy be succesful; in an offensive sense. Also why would 3rd countries be interested in being caught in the middle of any conflict between two giant powers?? Indian govt should make it clear any 3rd countries that work against India in a conflict will be open to any kind of retaliation(nuclear). Russians have expressed the same to their neighbors, it has not stopped the missile shield in Europe but countries like Poland know they have invited a possible Russian nuclear assault by doing so.

We have absolutely no need to threaten at this point of time, China is doing a good job of making themselves look bully's.

 

[Yusuf]

We have not made great economic reforms after NDA left power and in the 90's.

2004 to be precise. But I think we have made great economic strides since. Reforms being hampered by lack of bi partisan support esp when it comes to GST.

 

[Oracle]

Next to impossible in the current attitude among the masses and with Communist being in the highest office, and with a population who act as parasites when it comes to easy money, or undeserved money. The Lazy, Socialist and hardcore commie behavior of Indians have to change, or maybe I am stuck in Kerala for long. We have not made great economic reforms after NDA left power and in the 90's.

Are you kidding me? Coz' if you are, you need some readings mate!

 

[Adux]

Are you kidding me? Coz' if you are, you need some readings mate!

I am sure I do. Especially in Commie land,send me to re education camp

 

[Oracle]

I am sure I do. Especially in Commie land,send me to re education camp

No you do not. You're in commie land, but you're talking about Indians as a whole. Deal with it!
And btw, the title of this thread is 'Not enough room for China in Indian Ocean: Maldives'

 

[Rage]

Next to impossible in the current attitude among the masses and with Communist being in the highest office, and with a population who act as parasites when it comes to easy money, or undeserved money. The Lazy, Socialist and hardcore commie behavior of Indians have to change, or maybe I am stuck in Kerala for long. We have not made great economic reforms after NDA left power and in the 90's.

Nah, I think that is Kerala-syndrome. The rest of the South, West and North are doing pretty well. Even the North-east's starting to show some signs of improvement.

The real problems are, I think, the Commie-states and the central belt, Jharkhand, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh. Jharkhand's starting to inch somewhere, but until our resource-heartland starts to show improvement, we'll be stuck with a bloating country on the one side, and a withering country on the other.

I disagree. We've actually witnessed a good deal more, more stable and more inclusive, although not more egalitarian, growth under this government.

But, where does all this come into foreign politics? I'm talking about using our 'equilibriating' position in the great scheme of things, to promise tax sops, support on negotiations for economic reform, Western-derivative technologies, etc. to military regimes like Burma and military-plutocratic/democratic governments like Cambodia and Thailand. The Commies, I'm sure, would be non-opposed to having these countries on our side.

 

[Adux]

No you do not. You're in commie land, but you're talking about Indians as a whole. Deal with it!
And btw, the title of this thread is 'Not enough room for China in Indian Ocean: Maldives'

Originally Posted by Adux
Next to impossible in the current attitude among the masses and with Communist being in the highest office, and with a population who act as parasites when it comes to easy money, or undeserved money. The Lazy, Socialist and hardcore commie behavior of Indians have to change, or maybe I am stuck in Kerala for long. We have not made great economic reforms after NDA left power and in the 90's.

What about the whole sentence dont you understand. I have replied to a specific comment about using economics as a foreign policy initiative, why it has taken a severe beating in the last 5 years! Use the ignore button, and crawl back under your rock!

 

[Adux]

Nah, I think that is Kerala-syndrome. The rest of the South, West and North are doing pretty well. Even the North-east's starting to show some signs of improvement.

The real problems are, I think, the Commie-states and the central belt, Jharkhand, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh. Jharkhand's starting to inch somewhere, but until our resource-heartland starts to show improvement, we'll be stuck with a bloating country on the one side, and a withering country on the other.

I disagree. We've actually witnessed a good deal more, more stable and more inclusive, although not more egalitarian, growth under this government.

But, where does all this come into foreign politics? I'm talking about using our 'equilibriating' position in the great scheme of things, to promise tax sops, support on negotiations for economic reform, Western-derivative technologies, etc. to military regimes like Burma and military-plutocratic/democratic governments like Cambodia and Thailand. The Commies, I'm sure, would be non-opposed to having these countries on our side.

Right to Education Act(Read deep into it, before answering), Subsidies, High Taxes, Humongous Indirect Taxes, Licenses, Not Allowing Retail Market to be opened up, FDI in Defense Sector, and list goes on. These are proper socialist or one might argue down right communist acts. FDI has decreased substantially for us, Seen the deficit? This puts severe pressure on the external affairs ministry, they dont have the carrot of economics, to dangle as much as they want. These are all central rules. Kerala and West Bengal is another pot of filth, the entitlement mentality has them so far up their asses, there are absolutely no industries left there. Gujurat although not a perfect model, is still a model. We are a Socialist, Psuedo Communist Country,

 

[Atul]

We should infact appreciate, that Maldives did say this, finally INDIA has to support & stand by Maldives economically, Politically & Militarily, if not then China is there to fill in the GAP, the String of Pearls strategy if we need it to fail, our politicians will need more willpower & to come out of dirty regional politics.

 

[Rage]

Right to Education Act(Read deep into it, before answering), Subsidies, High Taxes, Humongous Indirect Taxes, Licenses, Not Allowing Retail Market to be opened up, FDI in Defense Sector, and list goes on. These are proper socialist or one might argue down right communist acts. FDI has decreased substantially for us, Seen the deficit? This puts severe pressure on the external affairs ministry, they dont have the carrot of economics, to dangle as much as they want. These are all central rules. Kerala and West Bengal is another pot of filth, the entitlement mentality has them so far up their asses, there are absolutely no industries left there. Gujurat although not a perfect model, is still a model. We are a Socialist, Psuedo Communist Country,

You think the 'Right to Education', Subsidies, High Taxes and Licenses on goods and invst in retail are 'pseudo-communist'? What would you call a nation-state that gives subsidies to its farmers, has universal healthcare, agricultural boards for marketing produce, has kereitsus or subsidises 40%-60% of higher secondary education? A 'socialist' state or a communist one?

What has the specific nature of internal policy got to do with external geo-strategic / economic policy? Being able to dangle a economic carrot before a country is a function of: a) increased integration into the global economy; and b) government revenue.

'Communism' is not about license raj's, subsidies, retail FDI or high taxes. It is about state distribution, the centrally-authorized construction of ideas, state production and price controls. We have none of that.

The problem is a human one, not a systemic one. It is about lochas stealing billions of dollars and stashing it away in foreign cash. It is about scams that rivel this country dry. It is about a failed and epically morbid public distribution system. It is not about quotas, FDI in mom-pop stores, retail markets or subsidies to farmers, that compete in an environment where other farmers are already mammotfvckin'ly subsidised. It is the problem of Corruption. And that corruption is humongously deeply buried in our roots. There are two ways to resolve that problem: a) fear, which we cannot use, lest we truly want to become another 'communist' regime like China; and b) education, which is the only real alternative left to us, but that takes a billion fvckin' years to show light.

 

[pmaitra]

What about the whole sentence dont you understand. I have replied to a specific comment about using economics as a foreign policy initiative, why it has taken a severe beating in the last 5 years! Use the ignore button, and crawl back under your rock!

No ad hominems please.

Also, ignore button notwithstanding, how about using the search button?

There already is a link where you can discuss things that you are trying to discuss here: Communism in India - The final Stride or a new Face