I beg to differ. The people across the border have a natural ability to turn sane people into the ones we always hear on TV.A mentally challenged person obviously isn't going to blow up buildings there.
I think its the other way aroundI beg to differ. The people across the border have a natural ability to turn sane people into the ones we always hear on TV.
Salim burhan karji is for sure is a Muslim name. I havnt bring up this Circumcised issue ..
@ Flint
Dumb and mentally challenged uncircumcised NWFPian?
I m aware that Pakistan is having Hindus and Sikh population and they are not Indians and are uncircumcized .
So u have problem to debate on such issues .. For what u r afraid ? If such news is posted in Indian News website ,then u should not have any problem
Is there any rule that such issues cant be debated ?
I have not read anywhere that only Defence related things to be discussed in here ..
Yeah G, how you plan to "expose Pakistani PR" ?If some members would have understand this thread and answer in a proper way instead of lose and off topic talks , then it would be more easier to expose Pakistani PR .
Brotha,I-G is welcome to post here.
If any member has an issue with the "news items" I-G posts, please use the report button to express your reservation with the same. The mods will do as they deem fit.
We also have an option of Ignore, put the member on ignore if you can't digest their "petulant rubbish"
Back to Topic
i havnt took it off track .I ain't never said you did.
In this case , the target was an Indian who belongs to minority community , circumcised one according to them it seems.The plausible truth....with a hint of scathing sarcasm (then again, perhaps not).
Why cant ..If minority is not happy with its establishment in Pakistan then for sure can create problems .That does not address my post in any manner or form, from any angle or perspective whatsoever.
My post held that there have been several incidents of Pakistan reporting or having discovered "uncircumcised individuals"- with particular frequency after 26/11- that they have either officially or semi-officially insinuated or that their media has attributed to being Indian (by virtue of the fact that they are a) 'uncircumcised', and were caught, by pakisthanie claims, to be engaging in subversive activity- and therefore most likely to be from across the border; and b) that 97% of Pakistan's population is muslim and is therefore circumcised- or at least supposed to be, suggesting or implying that statistically, they could not be anything other than Indian). Now there has been a spate in the number of these reportings since 26/11- atleast a dozen by my count, almost as if Pakisthan were trying willfully to shift focus from the issue by 'discovering' unmitigated terrorism by India. Are you suggesting we should give credence to these claims? And if we are to 'argue', how are we to do it? Are you suggesting that we have somehow privy to the lives of these esconced, obscure individuals?
Indian government and Pakistan Government can have the records to identify , i m just posting articles provided by Press trust of India .and this doesnt means that PTI is spreading Pakistani PR . U need to change urs outlook instead of over reacting.Whoa, hold up there shorty. I ain't afraid of nothin'. So don't go trippin on your berserk trip. The fact that it is "reported on an Indian website" doesn't change the fact that it is in all likelihood pakisthanie propaganda (as you yourself have acknowledged). And how exactly do you propose 'debating' on this issue. Do you have access to national registry records to identify infallibly whether these individuals are Indian or not, or have somehow become acquainted with RAW activities and all of their operatives there.
I m posting that news only which is published in Indian News websites .. if its hard for u with such threads then no need for u to debate on such issues and asking others to stop posting , i cant understand .. If i would not post it , someone else would have posted it .Again, how do you propose to 'debate' this issue. If you can propose a logical formula to 'debate' this issue other than 'it is' or 'it is not'- by all means, go ahead, report and give publicity to every single pakistanie 'discovery' of "uncircumcized individuals that are Indian".
If you cannot, will you agree to cease posting any more such threads ?
I have already did by posting this article . Mentality challenged Indian from MP .doesnt bells ringsYeah G, how you plan to "expose Pakistani PR" ?
You need not be so subtle. Ain't nobody "talking loose and off topic talks", so save it for the resurrection.
I know what type of reservations members have here .. i have already noticed it 3 years back , things are still the same . People can try here for action , which can be nothing but ban . If members wants me to leave ,they can say .I cannot 'report' a sizable minority of the 272 threads IG has started on this board. We have discussed the issue at the outset, you know that I am not the only one with reservations, and having promised 'action' and a 'word' toc cease and desist, accommadation has been chosen as the perhaps easier path.
India is having problems which are not related just to Pakistan only and its just an article to which u are making it pakistani pr . U cant stop anyone to post any article .You fail to understand the issue at heart. 'Ignoring' is not an option- the problem is not with me 'seeing' his posts, my concern is with this forum becoming a vector for 'Pakistani PR'.
i havnt took it off track .
In this case , the target was an Indian who belongs to minority community , circumcised one according to them it seems.
Why cant ..If minority is not happy with its establishment in Pakistan then for sure can create problems.
These news are not coming after 26/11 but as soon as the Pashtoons started attacks and Pakistani establishment was trying to link it with both Afghanistan and India. Pakistani Establishment even needs things for its survival against the Talibans and the only think which stuck fears among Pakistanis is RAW . RAW is involved or not its an different issue ..
Indian government and Pakistan Government can have the records to identify , i m just posting articles provided by Press trust of India .and this doesnt means that PTI is spreading Pakistani PR . U need to change urs outlook instead of over reacting.
I m posting that news only which is published in Indian News websites .. if its hard for u with such threads then no need for u to debate on such issues and asking others to stop posting , i cant understand .. If i would not post it , someone else would have posted it .
I have already did by posting this article . Mentality challenged Indian from MP .doesnt bells rings
I know what type of reservations members have here .. i have already noticed it 3 years back , things are still the same . People can try here for action , which can be nothing but ban . If members wants me to leave ,they can say .
India is having problems which are not related just to Pakistan only and its just an article to which u are making it pakistani pr . U cant stop anyone to post any article .
Indians have to debate about Indian issues be it positive or negative and here its seems posting any negative articles makes Pakistani PR and Pakistani supporter , News are always like this only and we have ours issues , most might be linked to Pakistan but not all . If indians will not discuss these issues which are linked to India and Indians then who will ?here i m talking about those 272 threads
On the subject of finding RAW spieces in SWAT terrotories. It is a larger game that GoP is playing to justify the war with the taliban. You ask any street Pakistanie, majority will spew-out "TTP is funded by RAW, so we need to fight to remove these terrorists." These types of senarios and articles are the constant push to justify there propaganda and keep the people support behind them.Mr. Rage
Indians do not have to "discuss" every breath of stale air that comes out of Pakistan's mouth. These claims have been made countless times in the past- with no substantiation and to no avail.
Pakistan Looks at Swat and Sees India - WSJ.comMost of this is a well-worn narrative of the battle for Swat until Gen. Ghani, the commander of the northern half of the valley, turns to the alleged Indian role in the fighting.
The Taliban, he explains, is "being directed, commanded and controlled by some of our hostile intelligence agencies being controlled by our neighboring country."
In case you didn't get it, that's code for India. And he doesn't stop there. He calls the town of Matta, a major Taliban stronghold in Swat, the "Benares of terrorism," using the old name of Hinduism's holiest city, Varanasi.
To outsiders, such comments are easily dismissed as the unscripted remarks of a conspiracy-minded soldier who has spent a lifetime preparing to fight his country's larger and more powerful rival.
But spend enough time in Pakistan, and you'll hear it expressed over and over again by everyone from street-side tea vendors to university students to senior officials. Most who offer up the theory seem to genuinely believe it. They see the Taliban's advance in Pakistan as part of a larger Indian conspiracy to encircle the country by building ties to the U.S. and Afghanistan, never mind that the Taliban is fighting U.S. and Afghan forces.
“Anti-India sentiment has clearly played a role in rallying the Pakistani public.”
"Some circles believe that the Indian consuls in Afghanistan, fully supported by the U.S., are creating mayhem and sabotaging peace in Pakistan," wrote the Daily Express, an Urdu-lanaguage newspaper, in a June 30 editorial. "The Pakistani army should come down hard on anyone who is playing in the hands of foreign powers, including Baitullah Mehsud," the nominal leader of the Pakistan Taliban.
Rarely is any evidence proffered or India directly named. The comments usually come off as ham-handed attempts to deflect from Pakistan's own failures, as India itself often is quick to blame a "foreign hand" in atrocities before there has even been time to gather evidence. (Sometimes, of course, the foreign hand is at play – witness Mohammed Ajmal Kasab's confession Monday in Mumbai.)
Ironically, Pakistan's blaming India for its problems in Swat may actually, and unintentionally, have served a useful purpose in the broader anti-Taliban push. The idea that fighting the Taliban is tantamount to fighting India appears to have helped drive a massive turnaround in Pakistani public opinion, giving the government and the army the backing it needs to aggressively fight the militants.
"We've externalized an internal problem," says a senior Pakistani official who's often been critical of the government's ambiguous relationship with Pakistan's myriad Islamist militant groups.
India gave Kargil tapes to Sharif a week before release ...If only RAW were as good as these Pakistanis make it out to be...
English is not my language and I m really having problem with my english ,sorry abt it .. I hope u would manage instead of starting to insult .First learn to speak English cognitively and coherently before engaging in a discussion on an English language defense forum, lest you swirl round the same s*ithole and misapprehend peoples' posts.
Yes i agree on this thats its related to circumcised issue , i have saw pictures on other forums and there was an arguement on this issue . yes i really need to get edcuation but in english ,which i havent done .But you're way off track. Circumcision- or not- is integral to this issue. If you think that constitutes "taking it off track", you need to get an educayshun in da railroad bidness, you know what I'm sayin'.
And to rephrase, I said: "I ain't never said you did" to your "I havnt bring up this Circumcised issue", which in your world would mean: "I never said you did".
i m now getting it more clearly ..Irrelevant. Git what I'm sayin is to your incomprehension of Flint's statement. If you don't get it, don't detract.
Babayonaga ?Babayonaga, you're beatin up the wrong tree again. And don't split my posts when they ain't meant to be. What you split to answer in the next paragraph speaks directly to "why can't?". The statistical probability of the dozen or so "uncircumcised terrorists" conducting surreptitious activity and espionage on pakistani institutions being pakistani minorities is minuscule.
You are right but i m just saying u that these thing have been blamed by Pakistan ever since its creation . If u check the news reports even in the early 70's , u will see the same thing and hundreds of Pakistanis from minority were targetted by Pakistani Establishment and were forced to do immigration by all this false propaganda .Read again. I said: "....with particular frequency after 26/11- that they have either officially or semi-officially insinuated or that their media has attributed to being Indian ...."
Evidently, even highlighting in red does you no good
bubba ?Listen bubba, I'm asking if you have access to registry information about the individuals in question. Don't detract from the position. It's obvious that the "Indian government and Pakistan Government can have the records to identify". If you feel you need to convey that, then you need to snap outta it and realize you ain't dealin with fools.
Its you who is making it an big issue and now coming on insults ."Over reacting"! Spare me the bullshit. Wasn't it you who accused me of being "scared" and got all over-fuzzy and sensitive at me having pointed out the discrepancies in your post? And don't tell me to "change my outlook" boy. It's wider and more cosmopolitan than you can even begin to fathom.
Are you having military background ? I doesnt have any military background , may be its the problem .To rebuke or "debate" Pakistani PR, you must have some information in open intelligence- sensitive information, information that could jeopardize RAW's activities in the neighbouring region- about the individuals in question. Only when you have that, can you establish indubitably whether the individual- or individuals in the other cases- are from India or Pakistan. Furthermore, you have to have independent, verifiable, non-pakistani information on their activities and assets there. Neither you, nor I, nor anybody else can pull that out of our a*se, or else the RAW would be thoroughly incompetent- and you would be aiding in its demise. Have I made myself c'lear !
Boy ?Again boy, get this into your head: it ain't a problem of me wanting to "debate" this issue or not. It's a problem of: 1) the fact that this issue cannot be "debated" because open-source intelligence is not synonymous with military-political human intelligence; 2) this site acting as a vector for pakistani propaganda through articles like these, which because they cannot be properly rebuked given the information available within the civil community, reinforce Pakistani positions of "Indian terrorism" in Pakistan.
I have been invited to this forum and thats why i m posting here .And no, nobody else would go on a "thread-spamming" binge as you have done. And I'll come to it: do you see anyone opening as many threads, in as little time, as you've done? And over every sort of trifle from an "'Oz man jailed for killing Chinese mistaking him for 'Indian'" to civil crime like "youth throwing acid on girls" (tell me, are you going to post every single incident of besmirched love-gone-bad on this forum?).
I really dont have any thing to do with pakistan , so its you who should stop doubting loyalities of anyone . and next time think before saying such things . The problem is this taht u dont know me very well , so try to keep urs these false claims somewhere else . U can think whatever u like to think about me , i really dont care , u can just insult me and start personal attacks which u r doing .The only bells that are ringing are yours. Careful about the words you use. Your lack of a proper command of the language of communication on this forum tends to inadvertently put you in a position of supporting pakistan and its facetious claims.
Punk ?Listen punk, you know NOTHING about this forum. Got that? You're oversensitive, amateur and ignorant- a potent combination that will do you more ill than good. This forum has none of the minority-bashing that some of its predecessors had, nor does it have the level of moderator intervention or bullying- perhaps why you're getting off scot-free. So much so that this forum has gone the extra mile to accommodate you and your often paltry threads- by creating a whole new subsection!
members can keep any reservation about me and i really dont care about it . If members would say me openly ,then it would be easier for me to understand them .And you're damn several right members have reservations about what you post. They will not say anything because they want to keep the peace. I however am a real shit disturber, and I will disturb shit when I see it. And I will do it wherever the honour and good name of my country is at stake.
bumbaclaat ?Stop bein' a bumbaclaat for chris sakes! You see your first post? You said: "Just false news for PR against india ". Those are your words, so don't make it seem I'm "making it PR".
read urs this replies in this post only . i dont know how u would react if this news would be on any news channel , hope u would not break the tv . As i can see , you are having problem with my posting as i m highlighting the real issue which india and indians are facing .There you go jumpin to conclusions again. Did I ever call you a "pakistani PR supporter" (I challenge you to quote a single post where I did). But since you volunteer that admissions, there's something else for us to think about
I know its hard to talk on every issue and if someone would try to talk or say on such issue , suddenly that person would be branded as Pakistani mouth and here this only seems the case . frankly i havnt thought posting this article from Indian website would make me a Pakistani mouth . seems there are no rules but there are hidden rules for members and i have crossed it .Indians do not have to "discuss" every breath of stale air that comes out of Pakistan's mouth. These claims have been made countless times in the past- with no substantiation and to no avail.
So seems u r having problem with my posting .. Are you Adm or Mod or just a member ?Your "272 threads" are mostly on trivial issues that occur in every country. There is simply not the scope to be discussing all of these issues on a forum like this. Ordinarily we would not mind, except that it is irritating to come on to the forum and see that there are so many threads spammed on topics that make a mountain out of a molehill, and then to wade through those threads to find a thread you are looking for. It's just not cool. It infuriates me and it does several other members.
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