Indian Electronics and Semiconductor manufacturing industry

[Azaad]

https://www.financialexpress.com/industry/after-assembly-micron-to-set-up-chip-manufacturing-unit-in-india-vaishnaw/3140616/

 

[Suryavanshi]

What is possibly the lowest nm processors we can make in-house granted that we are able to match the markets production cost?
90 nm? 60 nm?

 

[SKC]

What is possibly the lowest nm processors we can make in-house granted that we are able to match the markets production cost?
90 nm? 60 nm?

First decide for which application you want to produce the chips. You just don't start producing any random node chips.
Identify companies who need chips and then decide nodes based on that and then sign contracts with them.

 

[Concard]

What is possibly the lowest nm processors we can make in-house granted that we are able to match the markets production cost?
90 nm? 60 nm?

Anything above 65nm is useless. 65nm node fab can be easily constructed with just $1 - $1.5 billion investment. It is a very mature node. I will be happy if we can start from there. However, I have read news articles which said technology to make chips at 28nm scale has been transferred to Vedanta.

India signs deal with Belgium-based IMEC to get chip-making technology

Cutting-edge tech from Belgium-based IMEC will be transferred to the company that sets up a semiconductor plant in India

www.business-standard.com

 

[Suryavanshi]

First decide for which application you want to produce the chips. You just don't start producing any random node chips.
Identify companies who need chips and then decide nodes based on that and then sign contracts with them.

We had shortage of processoes for our cars right?
And ahead of that we can implement it on our Home appliances.
Grab the lowest hanging fruit first and foremost tha we will gradually step up.
65nm to 28 nm should be in our ball park.

 

[Azaad]

We had shortage of processoes for our cars right?
And ahead of that we can implement it on our Home appliances.
Grab the lowest hanging fruit first and foremost tha we will gradually step up.
65nm to 28 nm should be in our ball park.

Window for this is fast shutting. Ever since China was blackballed by the US & allies , they've decided to flood the market with > 14 mm node SMC besides doubling down to fabricate < 14 mm node SMC along with the machines to mfg it .

Sooner rather than later we'd get to feel the heat earlier than other established players the world over. Arguably this would be what China would have tried even otherwise but that would be close to the end of the decade. Given recent developments they've brought forward their plans.

 

[SKC]

We had shortage of processoes for our cars right?
And ahead of that we can implement it on our Home appliances.
Grab the lowest hanging fruit first and foremost tha we will gradually step up.
65nm to 28 nm should be in our ball park.

What kind of processor or System on Chip is used in automobile?
Can anyone check and paste here?

I am not sure Industrial purpose electronic uses below 28nm chips.

 

[SKC]

Anything above 65nm is useless. 65nm node fab can be easily constructed with just $1 - $1.5 billion investment. It is a very mature node. I will be happy if we can start from there. However, I have read news articles which said technology to make chips at 28nm scale has been transferred to Vedanta.

India signs deal with Belgium-based IMEC to get chip-making technology

Cutting-edge tech from Belgium-based IMEC will be transferred to the company that sets up a semiconductor plant in India

www.business-standard.com

What chips are required for your usual remotes for Remotes for TV, AC and related electronics?
What about processing units for TV/Fridge/AC/Washing Machines/Coffee Machines/Microwave?

Do they need 5nm processors?

 

[Suryavanshi]

What kind of processor or System on Chip is used in automobile?
Can anyone check and paste here?

I am not sure Industrial purpose electronic uses below 28nm chips.

Why Are Automotive Chips Still In Short Supply?

There are many reasons so many semiconductor chips are used in cars, and the need for special qualification processes means shortages will take longer to abate.

www.google.com

pointed out earlier that many automotive microcontrollers use 90 nm technology, and it has been difficult to add capacity. The shortages over the past two years have prompted some automotive chip vendors to migrate to 65/55nm nodes, and some have even jumped to 40 nm

 

[SKC]

Why Are Automotive Chips Still In Short Supply?

There are many reasons so many semiconductor chips are used in cars, and the need for special qualification processes means shortages will take longer to abate.

www.google.com

pointed out earlier that many automotive microcontrollers use 90 nm technology, and it has been difficult to add capacity. The shortages over the past two years have prompted some automotive chip vendors to migrate to 65/55nm nodes, and some have even jumped to 40 nm

Then you have to sign contracts with these car companies. Visualize the product and offer them some good price.

 

[Azaad]

Vrinda Kapoor, tech entrepreneur at Modi-Biden table, is key player in India's semiconductor mission

CEO of 3rdiTech & biologist by training, Kapoor was invited to White House during PM Modi’s US visit as part of delegation of Indian entrepreneurs helping build strategic alliances.

theprint.in

 

[spacemarine2023]

What is possibly the lowest nm processors we can make in-house granted that we are able to match the markets production cost?
90 nm? 60 nm?

Govt lab already makes 128 nm - 90 nm chips for strategic purposes… missile, satellites, rockets etc. …
Machinery comes from abroad but India can itself make the machinery if necessary..
I think Govt labs can easily go till 48 nm with foreign supply(Russia,Israel etc) but for strategic purchases 90 nm - 128 nm is sufficient

 

[Blademaster]

Govt lab already makes 128 nm - 90 nm chips for strategic purposes… missile, satellites, rockets etc. …
Machinery comes from abroad but India can itself make the machinery if necessary..
I think Govt labs can easily go till 48 nm with foreign supply(Russia,Israel etc) but for strategic purchases 90 nm - 128 nm is sufficient

Not anymore. We need to go all the way to 15 nm to stay in the technological race by the westerns and focus on obtaining the necessary technology and knowledge to get to 1 nm.

 

[spacemarine2023]

Not anymore. We need to go all the way to 15 nm to stay in the technological race by the westerns and focus on obtaining the necessary technology and knowledge to get to 1 nm.

Not required for strategic purposes larger nm chips are better resistant to radiation and bringing the same resistant to smaller nm chips requires more frugal investment…
As long as it does the job go for higher nm sizes for missiles etc.

 

[Blademaster]

Not required for strategic purposes larger nm chips are better resistant to radiation and bringing the same resistant to smaller nm chips requires more frugal investment…
As long as it does the job go for higher nm sizes for missiles etc.

There's more to it than just missiles and aircraft. It is all about processing power and energy consumption. We may need smaller nm chips for radars & sonars, EW, and satellites, etc.

 

[spacemarine2023]

There's more to it than just missiles and aircraft. It is all about processing power and energy consumption. We may need smaller nm chips for radars & sonars, EW, and satellites, etc.

If wishes were horses, we would have a stampede of dreams galloping into reality.

Govt. Is offering around 10 billion USD subsidies for chip manufacturers but all we got as of now are MOUs, a decent chip manufacturing plant will take investment of 20 plus billion Usd..

There are only 2 crown jewel techs on planet which are hard to master..

One is Jet Engines
Other is Semiconductors

and I am not talking about lab projects or vanity ones but sustainable ones with new generation coming up and going into manufacturing…

only US and EU are able to do it and they have good exchanges between them..

India easily 50 years behind … congress rule of almost 6 decades has fcked India… a chai wala has more vision than all of the london educated gandoos

 

[Raj Malhotra]

China is going to break the oligopolies in SMC plant machinery & Aircraft gas turbine engines in next 2-3 yrs. Thereafter it will be rapid decline of US, EU, ASEAN manufacturing moats & advantage. I see commercial aircraft prices falling by 50% in 2030. Similarly high tech & long waiting period machinery prices will also halve.

Nowadays getting high tech is just about paying. Practically no barriers. But our Babus are incompetent. No movement for almost 35 yrs. We are now 50 yrs behind. No chance of catch up


People don’t realise that Chinese rise, Elon musk humanoid robots, AI and EVs, will end the current global economic order. It will also end Indian labour arbitrage.

The only reason Indian economy standing today is around USD 100 billion of Russian money stranded in India and the discount We are getting for internal consumption of Russians fuel and their raw material. Otherwise, we are only one drought away from Pakistan type collapse. Even if Ukraine war ends, Russia can pull huge money out of India immediately.

 

[spacemarine2023]

China is going to break the oligopolies in SMC plant machinery & Aircraft gas turbine engines in next 2-3 yrs. Thereafter it will be rapid decline of US, EU, ASEAN manufacturing moats & advantage. I see commercial aircraft prices falling by 50% in 2030. Similarly high tech & long waiting period machinery prices will also halve.

Nowadays getting high tech is just about paying. Practically no barriers. But our Babus are incompetent. No movement for almost 35 yrs. We are now 50 yrs behind. No chance of catch up


People don’t realise that Chinese rise, Elon musk humanoid robots, AI and EVs, will end the current global economic order. It will also end Indian labour arbitrage.

The only reason Indian economy standing today is around USD 100 billion of Russian money stranded in India and the discount We are getting for internal consumption of Russians fuel and their raw material. Otherwise, we are only one drought away from Pakistan type collapse. Even if Ukraine war ends, Russia can pull huge money out of India immediately.

haha if wishes were horses….

china is nowhere close to Jet engine or Chip tech other than India is 50 years behind you dont have a single reasonable assessment…

India is 50 years behind west and China is easily 20 years behind… in 2-3 years china lol

and no India is not depending on so called wat the fck ur saying ruski natasha whore no India is not depending on same.. India is growing coz we are heavily investing in infra and infra is helping us to make domestic supply chains more robust and increasing unprecedented economic activity mate this with services we are offering which will keep on growing not coz west is supporting but simple economics…

humanoid lol this is not a hollywood movie that era is far away

 

[Azaad]

https://www.thehindu.com/business/I...r-ultrapure-water-thermax/article67030971.ece

For those interested in the dynamics of setting up a SMC plant the requirement of Ultra Pure Water (UPW) is immense. One of the reasons Taiwan is hesitant in permitting new SMCs coming up there . They've achieved the present status in SMC primarily by developing this industry at home at the cost of the agricultural sector .

 

[shade]

What is possibly the lowest nm processors we can make in-house granted that we are able to match the markets production cost?
90 nm? 60 nm?

Better target the microcontrollers and low-end microprocessors that go in cars and white-goods appliances, those don't need the latest bleeding edge 5nm or 3nm or whatever it is.

Intel chips are 7nm now, they were stuck at 10nm for a while, China's lumber one fab company SMIC is on 14nm currently.

Meanwhile you have STMicroelectronic's STM32 series, 90nm and above https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM32#STM32_F4


Unironically our competitor should be Malaysia and China now, not SK, Japan, US, Israel and Taiwan, you need to walk before you run.


Anyway Chink can tomorrow shit out 3nm processors also, what the Gora sahib will then do is sanction those companies so they don't have access to Western and other markets, the West controls access to machines, IP, Raw Materials and Talent needed to put out those 3nm chips, we will face the same hurdles if we ever reach China's current level and become the new boogeyman