Indian Economy: News and Discussion

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

What high quality living doesn't exists in TN
Even tier 2 cities have all required necessary things required for living speak about health or recreation or multiplex or education and what not
Thing is the cities are dirty but that's due to inefficiency of municipality

Sports infrastructure, urban transport options like metro, BRTS, luxury malls, developed tourism locations, airports, etc.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Have you ever visited TN?

Once…to a tier2 city called Madurai for the temple there. I did not see anything there. I was told even AIIMS there was stuck.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

This map is from 2014 and will obviously be irrelevant as far as UP is concerned but is still very much relevant to TN. Just look at how spread out their industrial belt is (it also includes a good chunk of South Karnataka like Bangalore, Mysore and Bhadravati and encroaches slightly onto the territory of Andhra but it is undeniable that it mostly only covers TN). When the industries are spread that far and wide, it would be absurd to compare one city from UP v/s one city from TN. In fact, any other measure but the comparison of the whole state of TN to that of UP wouldn't give you an accurate result.

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This map looks very old…like British India old. Names of places are old.

 

[Haldilal]

This map is from 2014 and will obviously be irrelevant as far as UP is concerned but is still very much relevant to TN. Just look at how spread out their industrial belt is (it also includes a good chunk of South Karnataka like Bangalore, Mysore and Bhadravati and encroaches slightly onto the territory of Andhra but it is undeniable that it mostly only covers TN). When the industries are spread that far and wide, it would be absurd to compare one city from UP v/s one city from TN. In fact, any other measure but the comparison of the whole state of TN to that of UP wouldn't give you an accurate result.

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Ya'll Nibbiars This Map is just not old but highly inaccurate It misses a lot of Industrial Areas and Cluster like the Kolhapur Icharkanji Kagal Jaisingpur cluster, Nashik Jalgaon cluster and the Pune extension till the Ch. SAMBHAJI NAGAR which even existed many decades before this Map.

 

[jai jaganath]

Sports infrastructure, urban transport options like metro, BRTS, luxury malls, developed tourism locations, airports, etc.

That's what we are saying these are govt related developments
How does that prove that people can't afford high quality living
Govt presently is not agressive about it
The transportation issue u see now is due to govt in past 10-15 haven't focused on
But if u see in depth the cities are well connected and frequency of private bus agencies are damn high
Bimaru land even odisha doesn't have malls in tier 2 cities until recently but TN had it 7-8 years ago
Infact the city which I know had 2 malls since 2013
Look at their health and education system far ahead compared to many states
The shops and restaurants are huge and earn high profits
People spend lot on their house and status overall their monetary and spending power is very good
Only place they lag currently is infra especially in public transport domain and that's due to lack of attention of govt

 

[Physx32]

First sweeping statement was that TN has fake GDP and HDI numbers because UP has eways.

Now, the reasoning for TN's fake GDP and HDI numbers is that he didn't see "anything" when he "visited" TN and that UP has more malls than TN.

Absolute state of discussion here lmao.

 

[indus]

UP has on ground infrastructure to show

Urban infrastructure in UP has improved by a light year. I recently visited a small town 30 kms from the main city. And there was AC electric bus connectivity between the towns and city every 30mins. The roads in the city were beautifully paved and decorated with greenery on the sides. No garbage on the roadsides. It as a delight to see the development UP has taken

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

That's what we are saying these are govt related developments
How does that prove that people can't afford high quality living
Govt presently is not agressive about it
The transportation issue u see now is due to govt in past 10-15 haven't focused on
But if u see in depth the cities are well connected and frequency of private bus agencies are damn high
Bimaru land even odisha doesn't have malls in tier 2 cities until recently but TN had it 7-8 years ago
Infact the city which I know had 2 malls since 2013
Look at their health and education system far ahead compared to many states
The shops and restaurants are huge and earn high profits
People spend lot on their house and status overall their monetary and spending power is very good
Only place they lag currently is infra especially in public transport domain and that's due to lack of attention of govt

Odisha has much better sports infrastructure than TN. There has been a great focus on sports in Odisha. Bhuhaneswar is a well planned and modern city. Puri and Cuttack are decent as well.
Even UP and Bihar have well connected towns and cities. UP has one of the densest road networks. I think you are speaking of history. You need to update facts.
If you don't have decent modern transport in your cities, how is the GDP useful? Chennai could not even manage its water shortage properly, despite being a capital city. TN does not have a single AIIMS. They don't have expressways, BRTS/metros in tier 2 and no clean cities in top 50. They have not done any riverfront development. And TN is not even in the top 50% states for Jal Jeevan Mission connections. What exactly have they done? any members here are blindly thinking that TN is much more developed than UP. They are not. On the ground infrastructure says UP cities have become much better developed.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Urban infrastructure in UP has improved by a light year. I recently visited a small town 30 kms from the main city. And there was AC electric bus connectivity between the towns and city every 30mins. The roads in the city were beautifully paved and decorated with greenery on the sides. No garbage on the roadsides. It as a delight to see the development UP has taken

Yeah people here dont get how much UP has developed its public infrastructure. I have traveled to many towns in UP and the changes are massive. There has been a huge number of redeveloped streets - all wires underground, proper footpaths, sewage, drainage etc. There are now modern riverfronts in almost every tier 2 city. UP has all kinds of transport infra - roads, trains, waterways, cable cars, edfc etc. Every district has a medical college now. EV buses are running in several cities. Even backward cities like Rae Bareilly are getting big defense manufacturing industries.
People are going to get shocked to see Ayodhya city’s transformation when they go for Ram temple inauguration. Other than sulla dominated districts, UP is doing well in all other districts.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

First sweeping statement was that TN has fake GDP and HDI numbers because UP has eways.

Now, the reasoning for TN's fake GDP and HDI numbers is that he didn't see "anything" when he "visited" TN and that UP has more malls than TN.

Absolute state of discussion here lmao.

I go by on the ground ease of living infrastructure. TN cities are well behind even UP cities. Let’s talk when a single TN tier 2 city has a metro or even a BRTS. Lower logistics cost is huge in manufacturing. Without expressways, waterways, freight corridors TN’s logistics costs must be high.
Yes the number of luxury malls, 5 star hotels, entertainment venues, sports infra, riverfront development etc all point to spending power. TN is well behind. TN’s coastal advantage and historical industrialization is keeping it in top 5 state gdp for now. It will fall behind as i don't see anything happening on the ground other than in Chennai area due to port access. Past glory can be maintained oy if other states dont compete. Thst has changed a lot now.

 

[jai jaganath]

Odisha has much better sports infrastructure than TN. There has been a great focus on sports in Odisha. Bhuhaneswar is a well planned and modern city. Puri and Cuttack are decent as well.
Even UP and Bihar have well connected towns and cities. UP has one of the densest road networks. I think you are speaking of history. You need to update facts.
If you don't have decent modern transport in your cities, how is the GDP useful? Chennai could not even manage its water shortage properly, despite being a capital city. TN does not have a single AIIMS. They don't have expressways, BRTS/metros in tier 2 and no clean cities in top 50. They have not done any riverfront development. And TN is not even in the top 50% states for Jal Jeevan Mission connections. What exactly have they done? any members here are blindly thinking that TN is much more developed than UP. They are not. On the ground infrastructure says UP cities have become much better developed.

That's the focus of state specifically
U can't compare odisha with TN
That state doesn't even close to manufacturing output and industry what TN has
Naveen focused on sports coz except mining and few steel and mineral industries odisha has nothing
Yes things are changing recently but that's just 1-2 years only
So in order to boost state's economy he had no other choice
Pls don't get into connectivity bhubaneswar and Cuttack doesn't represent entire odisha
In interior roads are bare minimum but recently under new incentives village roads are being constructed
Even the state highways which are built 1-2 years ago still doesn't have basic lightings in night
Law and order is still shit Gunda raj exists in villages
Public transport is not that robust to other towns
Bare minimum shopping complexes and malls
Largely rural
Anyway it doesn't stand compared to TN
Again u are repeating the same point right now govt for past 10 years haven't focused into infra and modern metros and Tod but that doesn't mean people spending is low or quality of life is bad or opportunities are low or they are fraud
Pls sir spend some time in TN, temples, factories, shopping complexes, restaurants
It's honestly very good and upto date
It seems u lack idea regarding the state

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

First sweeping statement was that TN has fake GDP and HDI numbers because UP has eways.

Now, the reasoning for TN's fake GDP and HDI numbers is that he didn't see "anything" when he "visited" TN and that UP has more malls than TN.

Absolute state of discussion here lmao.

I did not say TN GDP and HDI are fake. I said we don't calculate GDP properly at regional levels below India level. HDI has 50% weight on per capita income which comes from GDP calculations. So that would be inaccurate too.
Here is an inconsistency. FDI flow into TN is very low, which would not be the case if it was a top GDP and growth state. Look at MH - despite having the largest GDP it still attracts huge amounts of FDI. I think the state level GDP calculations and therefore HDI are not properly done.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

That's the focus of state specifically
U can't compare odisha with TN
That state doesn't even close to manufacturing output and industry what TN has
Naveen focused on sports coz except mining and few steel and mineral industries odisha has nothing
Yes things are changing recently but that's just 1-2 years only
So in order to boost state's economy he had no other choice
Pls don't get into connectivity bhubaneswar and Cuttack doesn't represent entire odisha
In interior roads are bare minimum but recently under new incentives village roads are being constructed
Even the state highways which are built 1-2 years ago still doesn't have basic lightings in night
Law and order is still shit Gunda raj exists in villages
Public transport is not that robust to other towns
Bare minimum shopping complexes and malls
Largely rural
Anyway it doesn't stand compared to TN
Again u are repeating the same point right now govt for past 10 years haven't focused into infra and modern metros and Tod but that doesn't mean people spending is low or quality of life is bad or opportunities are low or they are fraud
Pls sir spend some time in TN, temples, factories, shopping complexes, restaurants
It's honestly very good and upto date
It seems u lack idea regarding the state

So why is FDI flow into TN very low?

 

[jai jaganath]

So why is FDI flow into TN very low?

Now u r changing the goalpost
First u claimed u didn't believe the data of TN then about their lifestyle now fdi

 

[Azaad]

 

[Varoon2]

He's a Russian propagandist. Ignore such traitors.

Yah, he( Vijayendra Thakur) recently stressed the similarity between India's Pralay missile, and Russia's Iskander. Why someone, particularly an Indian, would be at pains to link those is hard to figure. And his article on the similarity appeared on Google general news.

 

[Shuturmurg]

I did not say TN GDP and HDI are fake. I said we don't calculate GDP properly at regional levels below India level. HDI has 50% weight on per capita income which comes from GDP calculations. So that would be inaccurate too.
Here is an inconsistency. FDI flow into TN is very low, which would not be the case if it was a top GDP and growth state. Look at MH - despite having the largest GDP it still attracts huge amounts of FDI. I think the state level GDP calculations and therefore HDI are not properly done.

FDI in flow in Tamil Nadu is 11x of UP.

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1808793

It is also one of the most competitive state in fdi competitiveness index :

What are the best-performing states in India for attracting foreign investment?

When assessing foreign investment into India on a state-by-state basis, Chandigarh and Telangana punch impressively above their weight.

www.investmentmonitor.ai

Stop doing charas.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[Butter Chicken]

Japan based Bastian Solutions has opened first conveyor manufacturing plant in India.

 

[Blademaster]

FDI in flow in Tamil Nadu is 11x of UP.

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1808793

It is also one of the most competitive state in fdi competitiveness index :

What are the best-performing states in India for attracting foreign investment?

When assessing foreign investment into India on a state-by-state basis, Chandigarh and Telangana punch impressively above their weight.

www.investmentmonitor.ai

Stop doing charas.

Other sources say UP and Gujarat ranks higher:

Explained | Why UP, Gujarat rank top among states in new investments for 2022-23

www.deccanherald.com

And check out the ROI on FDI. UP gives more when gettting FDI. See here: https://www.investindia.gov.in/states

UP's GDP is $273B while only getting $1.3B and has 17.1% growth when TN is $331 while getting $8.83B and only getting 14.1% growth. At this rate, UP will grow bigger than TN and investors will see more of ROI in UP than in TN. The momentum lies with UP and investors will quickly see that way when they see all the improvements in the infrastructure.