Indian Ballistic Missile Defense System

[kunal1123]

so what we learn from this..............................................

 

[sayareakd]

What happens when there is a live nuclear warhead in the RV?

PDV warhead will enter into enemy RV and then explode it inside out. All the electronics and nuclear material chamber will break, material will burn out in atmospher. If any big chunk of matrial falls, then AAD will take care of it.

 

[sayareakd]

so what we learn from this..............................................

DRDO keep secrets............remember K15 was shown when they did 10 tests

Btw its my tweet. ........

 

[Adioz]

Then it could trigger a nuclear blast at the interception altitude. 80-120km or whatever.

At such altitude direct affect of blast will be avoided but radiation will spread. Fallout could still block the sun for few weeks or months depending upon yield.

Or

It could hamper the blast procedure from taking place and a dud nuke will fall on ground.
(Which might activate some time later)

So you could never be sure. But it's still better probability than director nuke hit.

AFAIK, fallout is more pronounced in case of ground detonation. The nukes that go off above a certain height (to maximize blast radius) do not produce as much fallout.
BTW, what about the N-EMP effects? Do they only happen if Nuclear devices are detonated in the ionosphere or it still propagated if its in the stratosphere?

PDV warhead will enter into enemy RV and then explode it inside out. All the electronics and nuclear material chamber will break, material will burn out in atmospher. If any big chunk of matrial falls, then AAD will take care of it.

No chance of a nuclear explosion? And what about the radioactive material raining down? Will we have specialized teams to take that material into custody?

 

[IndianHawk]

AFAIK, fallout is more pronounced in case of ground detonation. The nukes that go off above a certain height (to maximize blast radius) do not produce as much fallout.
BTW, what about the N-EMP effects? Do they only happen if Nuclear devices are detonated in the ionosphere or it still propagated if its in the stratosphere?

No chance of a nuclear explosion? And what about the radioactive material raining down? Will we have specialized teams to take that material into custody?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_nuclear_explosion

This provides some analysis very rudimentary although.

Actually nuke warhead of enemy missile will be designed for a perticular kind of detonation. It might be programmed to detonate when hit or may be much before.

So basically if interception is done before such programming of warhead I'd triggered chances are nuke will not explode.

Radioactive fallout will happen because in any case intercepter will brake all casings and plutonium / uranium will leak . That is in avoidable in my understanding.

 

[Flame Thrower]

No chance of a nuclear explosion? And what about the radioactive material raining down? Will we have specialized teams to take that material into custody?

That will burn to ashes, we may find traces...

Imagine missile at 80 km flying at Mach 5 if 1000km, now it is blown into pieces. When these pieces enter atmosphere they burn to ashes due to extreme heat and oxygen....

But my only concern is nuclear emp

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Sorry to say sir, that you think low about capabilities of your countrymen. I have personally seen PAD and AAD and have good knowledge of how it works. Cant go into all that but here is some details which might help you understand what we have done and what we are doing.

This idea first came around 1994 by Dr. Kalam, presentations were made and successive PMs were give, all amazed by it. It was in 1999 that file was passed by ABV.

In the mean time we went to all possible countries ( US, Russia and Israel) which had BMD capabilities, we didn't found any of their system to suit our requirements.

We figure out, what we want and what we can get from different countries. (Like Green pine from Israel, others parts from Russia and even France, now we have all our systems, which are better then these)

First Akash was consider, but it was found insufficient, so they made AAD.

As an interim measure, Prithvi work horse was modified for the purpose, it was called PAD.

Before first test they carried out on electronic target and it was reported in Media, it was euphoria, we couldn't believe we actually going to attempt it. That time Hindi news channel said we are going to intercept Prithvi with Prithvi.

Then some news channel posted video of interception and soldier at the site, pulled his fist up with joy, he understood what has achieved, still remember his face, even today.

In later test, we used green pine as primary radar and our own LRTR as back up. Israelis did helped us, but this learning was not one way, Israelis also learned from us they went back and enhanced green pine into super green pine. (we also enhanced our LRTR)

Other parts like AWACs etc also arrived and our guys have put in hardcore software and integrated it with hardware.

If you look at PAD and AAD system works perfectly in look shoot shoot mode. Hope with PDV and AAD we will get "look, shoot, look shoot mode".

With our LRTR, we can track pencil size object over 1000 kms. Even smaller medium range radar we can track pencil size object at 400 kms.

Now those who think that Saheen type missile warhead, will get pass our BMD. Think we first tested Agni TD in 1989, it was maneuvering warhead. We have experience of 28 years in this field. What we have done 28 years ago, Pakistan is only now started doing, so they far behind in curve and we understand this tech far more than what Pakistanis.

Earlier PAD had Russian radio frequency seeker, now we have our own which is far better and have greater range.

Now this new PDV is with new IIR seeker, Warhead, new propulsion etc are next generation system, its midway between PAD and AD1, as it uses AD1's kill vehicle.

from proximity to HTK is great leap in tech.

I am not denying it is a great achievement and certainly stopping even some of enemy missiles is good. What I was referring to was need to have MKVs in powerful rockets to intercept multiple missiles in Post Boost phase.This will be acme of technology and India will have sureshot defence.

 

[sayareakd]

I am not denying it is a great achievement and certainly stopping even some of enemy missiles is good. What I was referring to was need to have MKVs in powerful rockets to intercept multiple missiles in Post Boost phase.This will be acme of technology and India will have sureshot defence.

work in progress, its not difficult to make small IIR sensor, even they http://tonboimaging.com/tonbo/ can develop one, then we need to make those small liquid motors and warhead based on new tech. We started this small motors to stare the missile in year 2006 in Agni 3 and on PAD, which was also tested in 2006. We have enough experience in last 10 years to miniaturized it and put it on something like Agni 5 to be launched from missile silo.

here is slide from drdo presentation, but they have taken it from American concept

how ever with shoe string budget, i must say we are working on something and more the Pakistanis push it, more our natas comes running and give funds..............

 

[IndianHawk]

work in progress, its not difficult to make small IIR sensor, even they http://tonboimaging.com/tonbo/ can develop one, then we need to make those small liquid motors and warhead based on new tech. We started this small motors to stare the missile in year 2006 in Agni 3 and on PAD, which was also tested in 2006. We have enough experience in last 10 years to miniaturized it and put it on something like Agni 5 to be launched from missile silo.

here is slide from drdo presentation, but they have taken it from American concept

how ever with shoe string budget, i must say we are working on something and more the Pakistanis push it, more our natas comes running and give funds..............

We should look at BMD as export purpose too. Simple missiles will proliferate from Asia to Africa to latin America and so missile diffence will be in high demand and we can be low cost no sanctions supplier.

:biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[Adioz]

We should look at BMD as export purpose too. Simple missiles will proliferate from Asia to Africa to latin America and so missile diffence will be in high demand and we can be low cost no sanctions supplier.

:biggrin2::biggrin2:

I think BMD exports should be termed as strategic sales and sold only in select cases. Like to Vietnam. We can make profit from other exports, but BMD is very powerful tech and profit from its sales should be a secondary goal.

 

[sayareakd]

Next step should be put PDV and AAD on ship along with navel version of LRTR.

 

[Scrutator]

Next step should be put PDV and AAD on ship along with navel version of LRTR.

Hmmmm....why?
Ballistic missiles won't be used to attack ships. And PDV/AAD cannot hit ballistic missiles mid-course - because of their altitude ceiling.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

first test article

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/P0...issile-test-for-strategic-deterrence-Chi.html


Last Modified: Tue, Apr 29 2014. 09 58 PM IST
India interceptor missile test for strategic deterrence: China

The missile is capable of destroying an incoming missile with a strike range of around 2,000 km outside the atmosphere



K.J.M Varma

A file photo of Prithvi Defence Vehicle (PDV) test-fired from Balasore, Odisha on Sunday. Photo: PTI
Beijing: India’s successful test to intercept an incoming missile at high altitude has evoked mixed reactions among Chinese military and strategic experts who believe that advances made by India in anti-ballistic missile technology are aimed at strategic deterrence.

India’s anti-missile test on Sunday intercepting targets outside the atmosphere is more aimed at “strategic deterrence”, as this technology will make its enemies feel the strike power of their missiles is diminished, Wang Ya’nan, a senior editor at Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told state-run Global Times.

The Indian interceptor missile was test-fired from the launch complex-IV on Wheeler Island, just over a minute after the target missile was fired from a ship located nearly 70 km off the Paradip coast.

India is developing a two-tier missile defence system, which will destroy an incoming missile outside the earth’s atmosphere, and if that fails, go on to intercept it within the atmosphere.

The missile is capable of destroying an incoming missile with a strike range of around 2,000 km outside the atmosphere.

While some Chinese military experts agreed that India has made progress in missile interception technology, others cast doubt over the significance of the latest launch.

“It’s hard to conclude whether India’s anti-missile technology has reached a certain level, as they also launched the target missile, so the launch time and ballistic data are all readily available,” the daily quoted an unidentified Chinese missile expert.

He said China has developed relatively mature anti-ballistic missile capabilities based on Russia’s S300 system which are ready for combat, but India is still experimenting with it.

China bid to sell its Red Flag-9 anti-missile system to Turkey last year in a potential $3.44 billion deal, although NATO then exerted pressure on Ankara to abandon the deal, which still hangs in the balance.

Song Zhongping, a former lecturer on missile technology and now military affairs commentator in Beijing, said India’s new interceptor missile “could only be similar to the level of Chinese missiles in the 1990s”.

He said that the target missile was not advanced and lacks effective evasive techniques which had made it easier for the interceptor to strike the target.

In real combat, however, it is hard for even the most advanced interceptors produced by the US, such as the Patriot missile, to hit Chinese missile targets, another missile expert said.

India has tested seven interceptor missiles in recent years of which six were successful.

The expert admitted China’s anti-missile technology is at least 15-20 years away from the US, in terms of the response time,target accuracy and comprehensive information technology. PTI

Brain Fart of small people with small brain. China is 20 years behind US and PDV test was similar to chinese technologies of 90. This mean India is 27+20=47 years behind US and US had similar technology in 70. These samll people can find excuses to hide their incompetence and their lagging behind India in technologies. In next few days you are going to witness similar rant when we will launch 104 satellites in one go. They will say that they have more powerful rocket.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

PAD has KKV. Many moons ago there was a video of the same in test. Though I agree they have many miles to go om BMD.

Can this be comparable to Arrow 2 or arrow 3?

 

[AnantS]

Can this be comparable to Arrow 2 or arrow 3?

Dunno comrade about capabilities. Arrow 2/Arrow 3 is kinda joint US-Israel effort. Its more mature. PDV needs further development. BMD expertise is one area which requires a lot of patience, time money & testing. India will have to walk the same path

 

[HariPrasad-1]

PAD->PDV is based on prithvi, but has different control surfaces and one major difference being PDV is solid fueled. Whereas Prithvi was liquid fuelled

No i do not think that PAD is liquid fuel. Earlier Prithvi version were liquid fuel but the that has changed a long back.

 

[AnantS]

Hmmmm....why?
Ballistic missiles won't be used to attack ships.

DF - 21 D .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Dunno comrade about capabilities. Arrow 2/Arrow 3 is kinda joint US-Israel effort. Its more mature. PDV needs further development. BMD expertise is one area which requires a lot of patience, time money & testing. India will have to walk the same path

That is OK but we can compare capabilities. PDV intercepts at much higher altitude but Arrow II is faster with Mach 10 speed. Arrow III is light in weight as it carries KKV. When there were talks about PDV in 2013, I have read that It will carry KKV. Does it carry KKV?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

DF - 21 D .

DF 21 is a paper missile without any successful or even failed test.

 

[AnantS]

@HariPrasad-1 Your guess is as good as mine. IIRC I had seen a video of Indian scientists testing tethered KKV. And that was the the time when PAD was newly tested. Now does PDV has KKV or PAD has KKV? I believe it should have but I do not have any proof for it.