Indian Army MRSAM

[SajeevJino]

primary self-defence...even a DPSA needs that

Integrating WVR missile for Primary Self Defence ..what about some heat seekers and ECM that's enough for an Ground Attack Platform

 

[arnabmit]

Will Antony bite the bullet on critical but controversial missile deals with Israel? | idrw.org
SOURCE: TNN

Will defence minister A K Antonybite the bullet this time? An important meeting of the Antony-led Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC) is slated for Monday to consider two mega defence deals that are controversial but considered critical to plug operational military gaps.
Both the deals are with Israeli firm Rafael on "a single vendor" basis without global competition. They have also been kept pending for several years despite red alerts being sounded by the Army and Navy due to different pulls and pressures as well as "leaks" of top-secret documents and a seven-year-old CBI probe.

The first is the acquisition of Israeli "Spike" anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) for all the 355 infantry battalions of the Army. The over Rs 15,000 crore project will involve an initial import of the man-portable "tank killers", followed by transfer of technology (ToT) to defence PSU Bharat Dynamics for indigenous manufacture.

The second – a Rs 393 crore deal – is for acquisition of additional 262 missiles to arm the Israeli Barak-I anti-missile defence (AMD) systems fitted on 14 Indian frontline warships, including solitary aircraft carrier INS Viraat, say sources.

Faced with a fast-depleting stock of Barak missiles, which intercept hostile incoming sea-skimming missiles at a nine-km range, Navy chief Admiral D K Joshi has even written to Antony for a quick decision on this "critical operational requirement", as was reported by TOI earlier.

But the government has dithered till now due to the pending CBI probe into the infamous Barak kickbacks case of October 2006, which named former defence minister George Fernandes, his party associates Jaya Jaitely and R K Jain, alleged arms dealer Suresh Nanda and former Navy chief Admiral Sushil Kumar among the accused.

Army's requirement for third-generation ATGMs (1,914 launchers and 37,860 missiles) is equally critical. If DAC clears the Israeli project, it will be a strong rebuff to the US that has been aggressively hawking its own "Javelin" ATGMs. In September, US deputy secretary of defence Ash Carter had even offered a joint project to manufacture next-generation Javelin missiles during his visit to India.

But the DAC on Monday will take a call on the Spike project, which was earlier referred for a "technology scan" to ascertain whether such ATGMs were available from elsewhere. The MoD also has had to contend with the "leak" of classified documents about the ATGM project.

The UPA government has refrained from blacklisting Israeli Aerospace Industries and Rafael despite the 2006 CBI case on the ground that it would be "counter-productive". IAI and DRDO are also collaborating on two major but delayed projects to develop a long-range surface-to-air missile (LR-SAM) system for Rs 2,606 crore to arm Indian warships and a medium-range SAM system for IAF at a cost of Rs 10,076 crore.

 

[SajeevJino]

Just two agreements

One is Spike another is 262 Barak 1 SAM

however was the Gorky come with dedicated SAM system or we need to add the Barak 1 on it

Still No words of Barak 8

medium-range SAM system for IAF at a cost of Rs 10,076 crore.

what was that deal ....? was they going for more SpyDer

 

[WMD]

Just two agreements

One is Spike another is 262 Barak 1 SAM

however was the Gorky come with dedicated SAM system or we need to add the Barak 1 on it

Still No words of Barak 8

what was that deal ....? was they going for more SpyDer

Vikramaditya won't be upgraded with Barak-1,

It will be upgraded with EL/M-2258 ALPHA radar along with Barak-8 missiles(when available).

As of now it probably has Kashtan CIWS, if not then Ak-630 CIWS will be added in India soon.

 

[SajeevJino]

Vikramaditya won't be upgraded with Barak-1,

It will be upgraded with EL/M-2258 ALPHA radar along with Barak-8 missiles(when available).

As of now it probably has Kashtan CIWS, if not then Ak-630 CIWS will be added in India soon.

until then we can use Vikky to train pilots Take off and Landing

I think Kashtan CIWS is already fitted in Vikky

 

[arnabmit]

Still No words of Barak 8




what was that deal ....? was they going for more SpyDer

No, AFAIK it is only Barak 8 for AD.

 

[arnabmit]

until then we can use Vikky to train pilots Take off and Landing

I think Kashtan CIWS is already fitted in Vikky

Viky will not have Kashtan. AK-630 will be installed in Mumbai once it reaches here. Barak 8 will be installed when it becomes available, probably during 1st refit.

 

[WMD]

 

[Shaitan]

 

[cobra commando]

Indo-Israeli LR-SAM Naval Test This Year


SP's Aviation - SP’s Exculsive

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

any news of 150km ashwin sam(aad derivative) from drdo guys.

 

[arnabmit]

Press Information Bureau English Releases

Successful Flight Testing of LR SAM Missile

The Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LRSAM) is successfully flight tested against a flying target in a range in Israel, today. Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), Israel has carried out the test in the presence of DRDO scientists and officials of the Indian Armed Forces. The LRSAM system is jointly developed by DRDO and IAI Israel.

All the systems including the radar, communication launch systems and the missile system have performed as expected and hit the target directly and damaged. The system is developed for both Israel Defence Forces and Indian Armed Forces.

Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister Dr. Avinash Chander has witnessed the test along with President of IAI Mr. Joseph Weiss and other top officials of Israel Defence Forces. He termed the event as a milestone in the cooperation between two countries in developing advanced weapon systems.

HH/RAJ
(Release ID :111231)

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

Barak-8 launch video

[video]http://bcove.me/6xd0ojjm[/video]

more info http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/WA...Barak-8-air-and-missile-defense-system-381342

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

 

[abingdonboy]

Medium Range Surface to Air Missile Launcher – Eight Missile Configuration
This is a trailer based, platform independent, all-electric mobile launcher configured for launching 8 canisterised missiles in vertical mode. The system is a self-sustaining unit, equipped with wireless communication to facilitate remote firing in single/ripple mode. It is fitted with electro-mechanical outriggers with auto-leveling feature with an additional option to level with or without trailer.

Thanks @Twinblade from MP.net

 

[cobra commando]

Re: MRSAM gains momentum;India,Israel developing 450 missiles & 18 fir

India, Israel To Build Surface- To-Air Missile System For Indian Army

India and Israel might soon start building a Medium Range Surface to Air Missile (MRSAM) system for the Indian Army in a bid to replace Russian-made air defense systems. "The Army has urgent requirement for one regiment (18 systems) of MRSAMs at worth of $ 1.5 billion, but the total requirement for these systems is about $6 billion," an Indian Army official was quoted as saying by DefenseNews on Thursday. The land version of MRSAM that has a range of up to 70 kilometers, is an extension of the ongoing Air Force MRSAM project, which is expected to begin induction by 2017 that is three years behind scheduled. The Army mobile MRSAM systems will be produced together by India's defense research agency, the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), and Rafael and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) of Israel. Both sides will develop subsystems. The system will be produced by India's Bharat Dynamics, in participation with domestic private sector companies Tata Power SED and Larsen & Toubro, the source added. MRSAM is useful for army to defend mechanized formations operating in the plains and desert regions of the country. First delivery is now expected by 2017. Both the nations have jointly developed Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LRSAM) and have successfully tested it in 2014.
India, Israel To Build Surface-To-Air Missile System For Indian Army

 

[blueblood]

Most here are familiar with the Barak-8 program and the importance it holds for the Indian armed forces. So far, four variants have been proposed for service;

• Naval Barak-8 (70km) system designed for anti-air and anti-ship missile defence both long range as well point defence. This system also comprises of EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA radar. As per rumours it could also serve as a point defence ABM.
• MRSAM(70km) variant for the IAF, designed for air defence and cruise missile defence.
• A highly mobile shorter range variant (50km) for IA, designed for air defence as well anti-PGM capabilities which could possibly include point defence ABM capabilities (Nasr).
• An extended range version (150km) called Barak-8ER which in all likelihood will find its way to IN and IAF inventory.

Now for the real reason this thread is created.

Barak-8 as an AAM.

Indian air force is one of the proposed user of KS-172 and R-37. These are the long range missiles that were designed primarily for killing slower, less maneuverable platforms like large transports, refueling tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR platforms. But these missiles are practically useless for engaging highly maneuverable fighters because the low g-tolerance of these missile don't allow them to do so.

By rule of thumb, an AAM needs to pull atleast 4 times more g-force than the target it is engaging, something the aforementioned missiles cannot do.

According to sources, Rafael and Raytheon are developing a Stunner (David's sling program) based long range BVRAAM leveraging on the key technologies developed for program namely the dual seekers placed in its very unique "dolphin nose" and a triple pulse motor. So my question is what's stopping India from doing the same? Here are few points in favour;

• Barak-8 is already in service with India as its co-developer.
• It has an excellent active seeker.
• It has 2-way datalink.
• It can be guided by Phalcon or DRDO AEW&CS.
• It has very high g performance. At 80g, it is twice that of contemporary AIM 120C5, SD-10 etc.
• At 60 kg, its warhead is five times larger than the one in AIM 120C5.
• At 4.5 meters and 275 kg weight it is not significantly longer or heavier than contemporary BVRAAMs. At the same time it short enough to be carried internally by FGFA.
• By rule of thumb, an AAM has 3 times the range when the same missile is fired from the surface. This suggests that Barak-8 as AAM could very well have 200 km+ range.
• With use of existing technologies, this program could be very economically efficient.

With Barak-8 as BVRAAM, even lower rung IAF fighters like Tejas or Mirage could kill much superior Flankers from the Eastern side at much longer distances when backed by AWACS. This could be the solution to many of IAF problems like delays in aircraft acquisition, dwindling squadron strength, less reliance on Su-30MKI, more threats neutralized with higher sortie generation.

@LETHALFORCE , @pmaitra , @bengalraider ,@sob , @Zebra ,@ersakthivel , @bennedose and others....

 

[Zebra]

With Barak-8 as BVRAAM....!

My two cents..........

Diameter of Barak 8 is 21 inch whereas Meteor has 7 inch diameter.
Meteor has over Mach 4 speed, Barak 8 has Mach 2.

 

[blueblood]

My two cents..........

Diameter of Barak 8 is 21 inch whereas Meteor has 7 inch diameter.
Meteor has over Mach 4 speed, Barak 8 has Mach 2.

Should this diameter be problematic when carried externally? Wing pylons on LCA are cleared for much bigger and heavier payload.

The speed of mach 2 was never confirmed by IAI or DRDO in my opinion, I'd prefer to be corrected on this one. One source posted it and the rest cited it. Kinda like Janes' Bedi on weight of Arjun Mk2 at 55 tons and rest of the media kept citing it. We know how that turned out to be.

Even if it's true, when fired by aircraft at transonic or supersonic speeds should add additional 1 mach to the said mach 2.

 

[Zebra]

Should this diameter be problematic when carried externally? Wing pylons on LCA are cleared for much bigger and heavier payload.

The speed of mach 2 was never confirmed by IAI or DRDO in my opinion, I'd prefer to be corrected on this one. One source posted it and the rest cited it. Kinda like Janes' Bedi on weight of Arjun Mk2 at 55 tons and rest of the media kept citing it. We know how that turned out to be.

Even if it's true, when fired by aircraft at transonic or supersonic speeds should add additional 1 mach to the said mach 2.

Not happy to reinvent the wheel.

If we are talking about Israeli BVRAAM, then I prefer I-Derby ER.