Indian Army Artillery

[karn]

Does India already have wheeled self-propelled howitzers, or does it have a possibility of doing so in the future?

Yes in the future .. right now in trials .

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[AnantS]

Hope its not having half a meter loading tray jotting out at back.

 

[prateikf]

So as per the below article only 50 Dhanush guns will have been produced by the end of this FY:

Dhanush production starts after spare part prob solved - Times of India

The production of Dhanush, the Indian Bofors artillery guns, has resumed after a pause due to a spare part problem. The Advance Weapons and Equipment India Limited (AWEIL) plans to deliver 26 new howitzers to the Indian Army. The Dhanush guns will now total 50 in the Army's possession. The...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Chinmoy]

Hope its not having half a meter loading tray jotting out at back.

Can't help.
Its designed to hold Zone 7 charges. The length of BMCS in that case would be 1 metre.

 

[binayak95]

Frankenstein Navy

I prefer the term: KHICHDI navy.

Khichdi be nutritious after all

 

[Blood+]

I prefer the term: KHICHDI navy.

Khichdi be nutritious after all

Mix-fried rice Navy, even more nutritious.

 

[AnantS]

Can't help.
Its designed to hold Zone 7 charges. The length of BMCS in that case would be 1 metre.

its fine to have that tray while deployment. But during Mobility it should have collapsible/foldable mechanism.

 

[Chinmoy]

its fine to have that tray while deployment. But during Mobility it should have collapsible/foldable mechanism.

Not practical and really not of so much importance anyway.

This is how they are going to tow it, so the breech loader bridge is anyway not going to matter in transportation.

 

[AnantS]

Not practical and really not of so much importance anyway.

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This is how they are going to tow it, so the breech loader bridge is anyway not going to matter in transportation.

ahh I see we are talking across each other. I am talking about ATAGS + Modified Tatra platform based MGS system. My mistake I quoted wrong post. I wanted to quote this post

 

[Chinmoy]

ahh I see we are talking across each other. I am talking about ATAGS + Modified Tatra platform based MGS system. My mistake I quoted wrong post. I wanted to quote this post

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Ok.

But in this case too, I believe this

is much cleaner and ergonomic then this

 

[AnantS]

Ok.

But in this case too, I believe this

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is much cleaner and ergonomic then this

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right but bottom one is think Dhanush based not ATAGS so cant compare. And in MGS case some with Clever Engineering the tray can be folded down. IIRC some French or Israeli one MG have similar feature.

 

[Chinmoy]

right but bottom one is think Dhanush based not ATAGS so cant compare. And in MGS case some with Clever Engineering the tray can be folded down. IIRC some French or Israeli one MG have similar feature.

Yes, it can be done. But from developer point of view, you would not want to. It would create one additional point of failure. This bridge is generally seen in howitzers with self loading capability.

Archer has put it inside the housing on back.

Caeser and Atmos has the appendages protruding out. So its much more convenient and logical to put in inside a housing rather then making a folding mechanism in case of auto loader.

 

[AnantS]

@Chinmoy In Archer Housing is just not cover for semi manual but its completely automated Loading(Both Shell and Charge) , disposal of spent charge. Loading etc. They can all be done from within Driver Box. I am trying to get length of MGS system but in MGS - in addition to overhang of the Layering Station (which both Ceasar and MGS have as an Overhang - a design necessity for making ease of operation), MGS has rammer Tray overhang. The ceaser doesnt have the same - It albiet has different loading mechanism. MGS one is very inspired from existing Bofors Loading Mechanism.

 

[Chinmoy]

@Chinmoy In Archer Housing is just not cover for semi manual but its completely automated Loading(Both Shell and Charge) , disposal of spent charge. Loading etc. They can all be done from within Driver Box. I am trying to get length of MGS system but in MGS - in addition to overhang of the Layering Station (which both Ceasar and MGS have as an Overhang - a design necessity for making ease of operation), MGS has rammer Tray overhang. The ceaser doesnt have the same - It albiet has different loading mechanism. MGS one is very inspired from existing Bofors Loading Mechanism.

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Yes. Level of automation in MGS has been kept upto the level of Bofors and ATAGS which is good from user point of view.
In Caeser, while in deployed mode, the shell and charge loader are different. It would move up and down for each firing sequence. So keeping it in working condition is an engineering as well and maintenance challenge. While on move, as you could see from the pic I posted, these are kept in a horizontal position just like MGS.

 

[AnantS]

While on move, as you could see from the pic I posted, these are kept in a horizontal position just like MGS.

On the move its the Big Spade of the Caesar jotting out(which being sturdy part of artillery, should be ok jutting out), not the rammin tray.

 

[Chinmoy]

On the move its the Big Spade of the Caesar jotting out(which being sturdy part of artillery, should be ok jutting out), not the rammin tray.

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EMM, actually both are two different system. The previous one you showed was a 8x8 based system as opposed of this 6x6.

6x6 doesn't have an auto loader.

Here you could see the auto loader jutting out.

 

[AnantS]

Yes you are correct. I guess most 155/52 MGS systems have this issue of enlarged Rammer system. Here Japanese Type 19 can also seen with same. The rammer is kindly shielded with extra big Spade. BUt I guess thats not posible for sake of creeping weght

 

[prateikf]

Meanwhile on the Pak border SH-15 being deployed

Pakistani Moves Discounted Chinese SH-15 SP Howitzers near Indian Borders – Indian Defence Research Wing

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