India US Relations

[Hari Sud]

Pannu Affair - Recent overheating of it.

Now Pannu affair is back to mess up relations between India and U.S.

No damage happened to nobody, hence this affair is manufactured to tame India from buying cheap Russian oil. As per last reports, India saved $7.5 billion by buying Russian oil last year. How could India miss that opportunity?

US tried all diplomatic means to persuade India against buying cheap oil. These did not work.

Then it boiled down to bad diplomatic moves to corner India and that turned out be Pannu Affair. This is where, US is pulling all the diplomatic punches. They know that India is economically weak and dependent on economic break thru on America. India needs $100 billion a year FDI and technical help to manufacture world class items and economic progress.

In addition, India has unwittingly made itself dependent on high end military supplies (MQ-9 and GE fighter Enginers for LCA) on USA. On paper these deals are done but US can put a stop on these supply any time and sabotage all Indian military plans. Trickery situation.

The much publicized Pannu Affair is the road block. In real terms, it is usually ignored, but when a stronger nation wish to deliver a strong message it will use minor affairs as a prop.

Does it look like that India could get out of this situation? It is highly unlikely. There is a few possibilities which could favour Indian position. For example, Biden looses elections and the whole of his unfriendly administration gets replaced Or America suffers a catastrophic loss in Ukraine and they are left with no alternative but Invite countries like India to supervise an armistice in Ukraine. The third possibility is that China invades Taiwan and a war in Pacific begins. Then they will need friends like India.

The situation at the moment is grim. India has very few options left.

 

[srevster]

Pannu Affair - Recent overheating of it.

Now Pannu affair is back to mess up relations between India and U.S.

No damage happened to nobody, hence this affair is manufactured to tame India from buying cheap Russian oil. As per last reports, India saved $7.5 billion by buying Russian oil last year. How could India miss that opportunity?

US tried all diplomatic means to persuade India against buying cheap oil. These did not work.

Then it boiled down to bad diplomatic moves to corner India and that turned out be Pannu Affair. This is where, US is pulling all the diplomatic punches. They know that India is economically weak and dependent on economic break thru on America. India needs $100 billion a year FDI and technical help to manufacture world class items and economic progress.

In addition, India has unwittingly made itself dependent on high end military supplies (MQ-9 and GE fighter Enginers for LCA) on USA. On paper these deals are done but US can put a stop on these supply any time and sabotage all Indian military plans. Trickery situation.

The much publicized Pannu Affair is the road block. In real terms, it is usually ignored, but when a stronger nation wish to deliver a strong message it will use minor affairs as a prop.

Does it look like that India could get out of this situation? It is highly unlikely. There is a few possibilities which could favour Indian position. For example, Biden looses elections and the whole of his unfriendly administration gets replaced Or America suffers a catastrophic loss in Ukraine and they are left with no alternative but Invite countries like India to supervise an armistice in Ukraine. The third possibility is that China invades Taiwan and a war in Pacific begins. Then they will need friends like India.

The situation at the moment is grim. India has very few options left.

This is just to disrupt elections in my opinion

 

[Hari Sud]

This is just to disrupt elections in my opinion

‘Bless you that you may be right. But by all appearance, it is not.

 

[Butter Chicken]

 

[srevster]

‘Bless you that you may be right. But by all appearance, it is not.

Everything will go back to normal end of June

 

[hurrians]

Pannu Affair - Recent overheating of it.

Now Pannu affair is back to mess up relations between India and U.S.

No damage happened to nobody, hence this affair is manufactured to tame India from buying cheap Russian oil. As per last reports, India saved $7.5 billion by buying Russian oil last year. How could India miss that opportunity?

US tried all diplomatic means to persuade India against buying cheap oil. These did not work.

Then it boiled down to bad diplomatic moves to corner India and that turned out be Pannu Affair. This is where, US is pulling all the diplomatic punches. They know that India is economically weak and dependent on economic break thru on America. India needs $100 billion a year FDI and technical help to manufacture world class items and economic progress.

In addition, India has unwittingly made itself dependent on high end military supplies (MQ-9 and GE fighter Enginers for LCA) on USA. On paper these deals are done but US can put a stop on these supply any time and sabotage all Indian military plans. Trickery situation.

The much publicized Pannu Affair is the road block. In real terms, it is usually ignored, but when a stronger nation wish to deliver a strong message it will use minor affairs as a prop.

Does it look like that India could get out of this situation? It is highly unlikely. There is a few possibilities which could favour Indian position. For example, Biden looses elections and the whole of his unfriendly administration gets replaced Or America suffers a catastrophic loss in Ukraine and they are left with no alternative but Invite countries like India to supervise an armistice in Ukraine. The third possibility is that China invades Taiwan and a war in Pacific begins. Then they will need friends like India.

The situation at the moment is grim. India has very few options left.

Former NSA worker gets nearly 22 years in prison for selling secrets to undercover FBI agent

A former National Security Agency employee who sold classified information to an undercover FBI agent he believed to be a Russian official has been sentenced to nearly 22 years in prison, the penalty requested by government prosecutors.

apnews.com

It's part of normal us practice.

 

[prasadr14]

Pannu Affair - Recent overheating of it.

Now Pannu affair is back to mess up relations between India and U.S.

No damage happened to nobody, hence this affair is manufactured to tame India from buying cheap Russian oil. As per last reports, India saved $7.5 billion by buying Russian oil last year. How could India miss that opportunity?

US tried all diplomatic means to persuade India against buying cheap oil. These did not work.

Then it boiled down to bad diplomatic moves to corner India and that turned out be Pannu Affair. This is where, US is pulling all the diplomatic punches. They know that India is economically weak and dependent on economic break thru on America. India needs $100 billion a year FDI and technical help to manufacture world class items and economic progress.

In addition, India has unwittingly made itself dependent on high end military supplies (MQ-9 and GE fighter Enginers for LCA) on USA. On paper these deals are done but US can put a stop on these supply any time and sabotage all Indian military plans. Trickery situation.

The much publicized Pannu Affair is the road block. In real terms, it is usually ignored, but when a stronger nation wish to deliver a strong message it will use minor affairs as a prop.

Does it look like that India could get out of this situation? It is highly unlikely. There is a few possibilities which could favour Indian position. For example, Biden looses elections and the whole of his unfriendly administration gets replaced Or America suffers a catastrophic loss in Ukraine and they are left with no alternative but Invite countries like India to supervise an armistice in Ukraine. The third possibility is that China invades Taiwan and a war in Pacific begins. Then they will need friends like India.

The situation at the moment is grim. India has very few options left.

I suspect India has caved in a little but US is expecting more but is not getting any more from India.

Problem for India is as you already described. We are dependent on US in a lot of things.
Problem for US should be discussed as well. If they stop FDI or hit us with sanctions or other things that hurts our economy, India can reciprocate as well.
We are a huge market that they have good access to, including their tech sector. India can hurt them as well, especially in a year Biden is going for re-election.

More importantly than that, privately I am sure it has been conveyed to US that they are openly supporting terrorists against India. And any further persistence and stretching of this issue by US could make India look for alternatives.
In fact, India can say 'we told you so that US is not trust worthy' and justify our friendship with Russia.

If US goes for a major economic offensive against India, the results would be very unpredictable.

 

[hurrians]

If us wanted india Russia oil to stop it would have stopped by now, remember Iran, there is no alternative source, us is not doing this as a goodwill it doesn't want to make enemies of the non oil producing countries , just envision a situation with 0 Russian oil, who will supply petrol diesel to Europe, imagine the chaos.

 

[hurrians]

Pannu Affair - Recent overheating of it.

Now Pannu affair is back to mess up relations between India and U.S.

No damage happened to nobody, hence this affair is manufactured to tame India from buying cheap Russian oil. As per last reports, India saved $7.5 billion by buying Russian oil last year. How could India miss that opportunity?

US tried all diplomatic means to persuade India against buying cheap oil. These did not work.

Then it boiled down to bad diplomatic moves to corner India and that turned out be Pannu Affair. This is where, US is pulling all the diplomatic punches. They know that India is economically weak and dependent on economic break thru on America. India needs $100 billion a year FDI and technical help to manufacture world class items and economic progress.

In addition, India has unwittingly made itself dependent on high end military supplies (MQ-9 and GE fighter Enginers for LCA) on USA. On paper these deals are done but US can put a stop on these supply any time and sabotage all Indian military plans. Trickery situation.

The much publicized Pannu Affair is the road block. In real terms, it is usually ignored, but when a stronger nation wish to deliver a strong message it will use minor affairs as a prop.

Does it look like that India could get out of this situation? It is highly unlikely. There is a few possibilities which could favour Indian position. For example, Biden looses elections and the whole of his unfriendly administration gets replaced Or America suffers a catastrophic loss in Ukraine and they are left with no alternative but Invite countries like India to supervise an armistice in Ukraine. The third possibility is that China invades Taiwan and a war in Pacific begins. Then they will need friends like India.

The situation at the moment is grim. India has very few options left.

India doesn't operate in foreign soil doing covert operations but just assume pannun case is true

.the officer who planned should be disciplined for negligence, usa operates a vast network of narco criminals as informers, who would in their right sense recruit from that pool and like the Russian case just mentioned fbi and other federal agencies do active baiting to fish potential criminals, in many occasions the crime wouldn't have been committed if the agencies had not encouraged it.

 

[shade]

US has already banned Chinese solar panels & EVs . Then there're the ban on exports of high end SMC as well as machines & technologies to mfg them. A good deal of consumer electronics are now being sourced from across the world which leaves their ICE automobiles & industrial sectors untouched within China although these sectors too are actively exploring China + 1 options.

At the same time Huawei is rapidly displacing Apple & Chinese EVs are doing the same to Tesla within China & the same is expected to happen across sectors out there . I wouldn't underestimate their de coupling drive though admittedly it'd take time.

As far as the EU goes it pretty much faces the same situation as the US. Why do you think they've opened up multiple investigations into Chinese state subsidies for much of their product offerings like EV , wind turbines etc ?

As far as China goes they just can't afford any drop in their exports as their domestic economy isn't a demand driven one meaning it can't compensate for a drop in exports which in turn means in order to sustain existing growth the Chinese will have to export more or at least sustain existing levels which is proving to impossible since it fatally affects vital sectors within the EU & US.

This is precisely the reason they've built up surplus mfg capacities & are now facing the ire of all middle powers with some industrial capacity from Mexico all the way to India. This isn't just an issue for the EU & the US . It's turning out to be an issue between China vs the rest of the industrial world .

This is a work in progress and only partially true.
Chinku is world leader in Solar Panels and EVs, what Chinku is doing now is setting up assembly shops for these and other products in Mexico, Vietnam, India, Polund/Czechia etc, minimal value addtion with only the "Made in" label being changed.

Goras also aren't very enthu about shifting supply chains, you can see the recent drama over Govt wanting HP/Dell to open laptop assembly plants here, and how Uncle Sam arm twisted them into rolling it back.

Push comes to shove China can tank the loss of exports and ameliorate it by jhol exports through 3rd countries like i've stated above, the (((West))) meanwhile is depedent on cheap chink shit and will collapse without it if 11, Jinpig goes for broke and stops exporting to them.

The chinkus are playing the game intelligently, the West meanwhile still behaves that this is the 2000s where there is only one superpower and it can do as it wants to all countries who don't obey it's diktats

 

[Crazywithmath]

Is the buddha Biden admin brimming with woke SJW jhollachaps? Aren't there more important issues? Is fingering other nations over literal non issues that satisfactory?

This is a work in progress and only partially true.

Chinku is world leader in Solar Panels and EVs, what Chinku is doing now is setting up assembly shops for these and other products in Mexico, Vietnam, India, Polund/Czechia etc, minimal value addtion with only the "Made in" label being changed.



Goras also aren't very enthu about shifting supply chains, you can see the recent drama over Govt wanting HP/Dell to open laptop assembly plants here, and how Uncle Sam arm twisted them into rolling it back.

Chinku companies aren't assmbling EVs or solar panels here (Indian market is practically off-limits for them) but they are flooding the market with chinku smartphones and electronics.

As far as goras are concerned, the gora governments (those who are Uncle Sam's bitches) are keen on decoupling but the Gora Inc isn't.

 

[shade]

Is the buddha Biden admin brimming with woke SJW jhollachaps? Aren't there more important issues? Is fingering other nations over literal non issues that satisfactory?

It's just building a case to force India into the new "axis of evil" club via sanctions eventually.
A sword to be hung over our heads.

In the minds of the avg Joe there or in their Govt mechanisms, India is not seen as an adversary, anti-liberal country by default so they have to manufacture such info.

 

[Azaad]

This is a work in progress and only partially true.
Chinku is world leader in Solar Panels and EVs, what Chinku is doing now is setting up assembly shops for these and other products in Mexico, Vietnam, India, Polund/Czechia etc, minimal value addtion with only the "Made in" label being changed.

Goras also aren't very enthu about shifting supply chains, you can see the recent drama over Govt wanting HP/Dell to open laptop assembly plants here, and how Uncle Sam arm twisted them into rolling it back.

Push comes to shove China can tank the loss of exports and ameliorate it by jhol exports through 3rd countries like i've stated above, the (((West))) meanwhile is depedent on cheap chink shit and will collapse without it if 11, Jinpig goes for broke and stops exporting to them.

The chinkus are playing the game intelligently, the West meanwhile still behaves that this is the 2000s where there is only one superpower and it can do as it wants to all countries who don't obey it's diktats

Wait for the US & EU to counter the Chinese EV invasion of the west & you'd see something hit the fan . Then all bets will be off . Western countries have realised the days of CAGR are history.

It's not as if the companies originating in the west are ignorant. However their pay checks & ESOPs depend on being so which is why they'd try to milk this to the extent possible before calling it quits in China i.e maximise returns to the extent possible for they're seeing what's happening to Apple & how's it being replaced by Huawei in China like it happened to Samsung before . Ditto for Tesla.

 

[Crazywithmath]

Buddha has gone full retard! His braincells have stopped functioning altogether.

 

[shade]

Buddha has gone full retard! His braincells have stopped functioning altogether.

1 billion + population factory of the world nation needs immigrants
1 billion + country with youngest population by numbers needs immigrants
Russia already has immigrants from it's ex-Soviet colonies

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Buddha has gone full retard! His braincells have stopped functioning altogether.

why don't you take some immigrants from these xenophobes??

 

[LETHALFORCE]

1 billion + population factory of the world nation needs immigrants
1 billion + country with youngest population by numbers needs immigrants
Russia already has immigrants from it's ex-Soviet colonies

LOL. Typical biden.

 

[Azaad]

 

[ovalpiston]

Buddha has gone full retard! His braincells have stopped functioning altogether.

Govt should set up "Pradhan Mantri Amreeka Apravaasi Yojana" to assist our khalis, islamists and other opportunists to travel to US through the Mexican donkey road! Since we've already been called xenophobic and a struggling economy, we should help US economy by boosting exports of our khalis, illegal beedis and jholachaps!

 

[Hari Sud]

US Coercive Diplomacy Abroad

The tenure of President Biden has been marred by a combination of failed domestic leadership and coercive foreign policies, tarnishing the image of the United States both at home and on the world stage. Biden, characterized as a compassionate elder statesman grappling with cognitive decline, has found himself ensnared by the counsel of a cadre of advisors, whose guidance has led to a decline in his popularity. The ill-fated decision to embroil the nation in conflicts abroad, notably in Ukraine and the Israel-HAMAS conflict, underscores the consequences of misguided advice.

The conflict in Ukraine, which has claimed the lives of over 200,000 Ukrainians, stands as a stark testament to the failure of American foreign policy under Biden's leadership. Similarly, the Israel-HAMAS conflict, exacerbated by America's preoccupation with Ukraine, resulted in significant casualties for Israel, prompting questions regarding America's allegiance in the region. The ambiguity surrounding US support, whether for Israel or HAMAS, further compounds the disarray in American foreign policy.

Moreover, the Biden Administration's pursuit of coercive diplomacy, exemplified by attempts to coerce nations like India into purchasing Russian oil, reflects a concerning trend. This strategy, ostensibly framed within the context of democracy and human rights, masks ulterior motives and geopolitical ambitions. The imposition of sanctions serves as a blunt instrument to compel compliance with American objectives, regardless of the ramifications for bilateral relations.

The historical backdrop of US-India relations reveals a pattern of fluctuating dynamics, marked by instances of coercion and discord. From military interventions during Bangladesh's struggle for independence to sanctions following India's nuclear tests, the relationship has weathered numerous challenges. Recent efforts by the US to undermine India's interests, including support for separatist movements like Khalistan, further strain bilateral ties.

Despite provocations from the US, India has demonstrated resilience and a commitment to fostering diplomatic harmony. Instances of indignity, such as the strip-search of a senior female Indian diplomat in New York, or allegations of espionage in India by CIA, have been met with restraint and a steadfast pursuit of mutual understanding. However, the lack of reciprocity from the US underscores the asymmetry in the relationship, posing challenges for sustained cooperation.

In conclusion, the specter of coercive diplomacy looms large over US foreign policy under the Biden Administration, contributing to a climate of uncertainty and discord. As the world navigates through complex geopolitical challenges, the need for principled leadership and genuine dialogue becomes ever more imperative to foster enduring partnerships based on mutual respect and shared interests.