India tells China: Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you

[johnee]

GoI has started playing hardball on the stapled visa issue now by clearly coming out with the Tibet, Taiwan analogy. The subtle hint being, if you want Tibetian activities to be curtailed in India, agree with our position on Kashmir and don't raise this matter.

I think GOI should link Kashmir and Taiwan but delink Tibet. Tibet should be another matter. GOI should always play hardball with Tibet.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Lies are told to cover-up a previous lie. So, whatever these chinese people are bluffing here is a lie to cover-up the lie that Aksai-chin is their's. Tommorow they will say the whole of America is China's property. Then after that they will claim the whole world or earth is China's. No one is stupid to believe them. Empty vessels make more noise, vis-a-vis Chinese vessels make more noise than the empty vessels...........
:emot15::emot15::emot15:

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Time shall tell the answer to the provoking chinese. Like everyone has learned that HUMTY DUMTY SAT ON A WALL AND HUMTY DUMTY HAD A GREAT FALL, this is what they will face in the future for their deeds of conquering parts of INDIA along with Pakistan. China will face the same problem like Pakistan.

 

[Parthy]

Indians are simply deluding themselves if they think that Kashmir will be solved by taking it off from UN disputed territory list.Kashmir will always remain disputed till China,India and Pakistan holds 3 parts of it and most contentious part of Kashmir is being held by India where is freedom movement is going on since India has occupied it.Its Its the Indian part of Kashmir which is restive otherwise other two parts of Kashmir with respective countries i.e. China and Pakistan are peaceful.

Bro you need to have some people with constitutional rights to raise their concerns.. We have complete freedom in India to raise concerns by an individual (RTI, if am correct).. Do you think China has this freedom in their country.. If they would have this kind of freedom, they would have doomed long ago.. The communist know about this very clearly and did against it...

And be noted, that Kashmir is an issue with India and Pakistan. There's no role played by China here and even AksaiChin is taken by force not by any other means... Hope you should learn some history mate!!!

 

[S.A.T.A]

Taiwanese probably would feel offended if they are presented in an Tibetan analogy.Taiwanese are an independent sovereign nation owing no encumbrance to anyone other than their own free will.we should strive to develop and strengthen our relationship that country without juxtaposing them with any bilateral entanglements that we may have with any of our neighbors.

 

[ajtr]

Except that Tibet is not an internationally recognized dispute because NOT ONE legitimate government challenges China's governance of Tibet. NOT ONE. Not even yours.

United Nations Resolutions on Tibet​

21 October 1959

Resolution 1353 (XIV) called for "respect for the fundamental human rights of the Tibetan people and for their distinctive cultural and religious life." Adopted by 45 votes to nine, 26 abstentions; Britain abstained.

12 December 1961

Resolution 1723 (XVI) called for "the cessation of practices which deprive the Tibetan people of their fundamental human rights and freedom including their rights to self-determination." It also expressed "the hope that member states will make all possible efforts as appropriate towards achieving the purpose of the present resolution." Adopted by 56 votes to 11, with 29 abstentions; Britain (after initial doubts) approved.

December 1965

Resolution 2079 (XX) renewed the call for "the cessation of all practices which deprive the Tibetan people of the human rights and fundamental freedoms which they have always enjoyed." Adopted by 43 votes to 26, with 22 abstentions. On this occasion the Indian delegate accused the Chinese of trying "to obliterate the Tibetan people" and of suppression that "surpasses anything that colonialists have done in the past to the people they ruled as slaves." Britain supported the resolution.

1971-1989

The People's Republic of China joined the UN in 1971, and the Tibetan question was next mentioned in March 1985, by the International Fellowship of Reconciliation, a Non-Governmental Organisation. The Tibet issue was not raised by a government until March 1989, when Canada and Holland expressed concern about the situation in Tibet.

23 August 1991

The UN Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities adopted Resolution 1991/L.19 to express concern at "continuing reports of violations of fundamental human rights and freedoms which threaten the distinct cultural, religious and national identity of the Tibetan people". The resolution called on the Chinese Government "fully to respect the fundamental rights and freedoms of the Tibetan people". The resolution was passed by nine votes to seven, with four abstentions.

This was the first UN Resolution on Tibet since 1965 and the first formal statement on Tibet by a UN body since the People's Republic replaced Taiwan as the representative of China in 1971.

On 4 March 1992 a draft resolution on China's abuses of human rights including a specific mention of the treatment of Tibetans was proposed at the UN Commission on Human Rights. A vote on a proposal "not to take a vote" was taken: 27 for, 15 against.

March 1994

China persuades the UN for the fourth year running to reject a modestly-worded resolution criticising its human rights record. 20 votes to 16 ruled that "no action" be taken on the resolution; 17 countries abstained.

The UK called for discussion of China to preserve the Commission's credibility. The US, however, supported the resolution only on condition that the European countries, as proposers, modified the wording so that Tibet was defined as a minority, and therefore as part of China.

This controversial insistence by the US on inserting a gratuitous statement about Tibet's political status in an inappropriate human rights context ran against European wishes, and led to fierce criticism from the Tibetan Government-in-Exile.

March 1995

China avoids censure on its human rights record by only one vote at the annual meeting of the Human Rights Commission of the UN in Geneva. The resolution included specific references to abuses in Tibet.

This was the first time the resolution had been debated.

From 1992 to 1994, all the resolutions were blocked by a procedural move called a Motion for No Action which was tabled by China.

In 1996 the Motion for No Action was again passed, after vigorous lobbying by Chinese diplomats to enlist the support of developing nations.

 

[houde10000]

then give Dalai Lama back to China

 

[Rage]

then give Dalai Lama back to China

What do you mean give back? People are not just "given back". His holiness the Dalai Lama was never yours to begin with in the first place.

Besides, we don't have an extradition agreement with China. If we did, you would have to give back all the Maoist c@@ns you're harbouring. Stop talking like a fan boy, and grow some sense, fir chrissake.

Thats another delusion of Indians that they can gang up with USA and other like minded countries to encircle China.China can browbeat any alliance of India at its time and place of choosing like it did in 1962.Hope that India don't end up paying the pound of flesh in form of Kashmir instead of dreaming of extracting pound of flesh from Wen Jibao.

China can not brow beat "any alliance" of India. That is A DELUSION of the Chinese. Notwithstanding the fact there was no "alliance" in 1962, the war was lost not because of your technical superiority, but because of our political dithering. Militarily, technologically we could have ripped you to shreds. The war was lost politically, and it was lost from the outset. Before it had even begun.

You may be interested in what happened subsequently, when the military was not forced out by the government.

 

[Rage]

China's reduced disputed border length increases concern in India

http://www.tibetanreview.net/news.php?cat=10&&id=7995

Many in India have expressed anger that China has substantially truncated the length of its disputed border with India to take out the portion represented by Jammu and Kashmir State, although New Delhi is yet to react to this development. The border between India and the People's Republic of China constitute by the Indo-Tibetan border is now just 1,200 miles (2000 km) long, instead of 2,200 miles, a distance claimed by India, Indian newspaper reports Dec 20 cited China's official media as saying.

This is seen as being in keeping with China's changed position on Jammu and Kashmir, which it now considers a disputed territory to reflect its pro-Pakistan stand on the issue.

China's new position means that it now no longer recognizes, vis-à-vis India, the border separating Jammu and Kashmir in India from Xinjiang and Tibet, both of which are under its occupation rule. This is seen as accounting for the Chinese exclusion of 1,000 miles (1,600 km) from the border between the two counties.

However, According to Hindustan Times online Dec 20, China had stuck to the truncated disputed border claim for a long time. It noted that ahead of Premier Wen Jiabao's Dec 15-17 visit to New Delhi, Xinhua had reported that the Sino-India border being 2000 km was based on an official briefing by assistant foreign minister of China, Hu Zhengye. The People's Daily had reported the same on Jan 7, 2010, the report said.

That People's Daily report was quoted as having said, while covering the India-China defence dialogue, "China and India share a nearly 2,000-km border and disputed areas cover about 125,000 sq km on both sides." The Hindustan Times online report noted that China Daily too had mentioned the same in its report the same day. Also, the "2000-km-long" boundary was mentioned in China Daily in Aug'09 in a report on the 13th round of boundary talks between the two sides.

"The dispute on the length of the borderline was always there. There is nothing new in the media report," Rong Ying, vice-president of the China Institute of International Studies, a Chinese foreign ministry think-tank, was quoted as saying.

Nevertheless, an AHN news service report Dec 20 cited India's Former External Affairs Minister Mr Yashwant Sinha as saying India should behave tit-for-tat while dealing with such matters. He was reported to have referred to the disputed status of Tibet and suggested that just like China does not recognize India's sovereignty over J&K, India should also treat China similarly.