India Russia Relations

[Indx TechStyle]

I think, Putin's way (non-military) is far more effective
And it is not only me (but your govt as well) who accepts this

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Whatever you say, we aren't going to leave our territory. China isn't tolerating anyone in SCS. Why not us?

 

[tharun]

Pakistan lack the equipment to maintain these roads. So it's is China building and maintaining these roads but since the area is so disturbed the Chinese might deploy their forces to protect the infrastructure, so it will be a threat for India as China can block our oil imports from middle east.

Two things i need to point out...POK is disputed
If china deploys forces..it violates UN law
Second one of US carrier fleet is parked at middle east..so china can't block India's oil and more over 70% of chinese oil imports come from indian ocean we can target too...remember Strait of malacca

 

[Nicky G]

The age of USSR and friendship pact is long over.

Russia has her own interests which she is free to pursue. However, since they won't wish to loose out more on the lucrative Indian defense and civilian markets, we need to look to extract the max out of them, such as this;


The relationship will move towards a transactional one - its inevitable.

 

[Cutting Edge]

The age of USSR and friendship pact is long over.

Russia has her own interests which she is free to pursue. However, since they won't wish to loose out more on the lucrative Indian defense and civilian markets, we need to look to extract the max out of them, such as this;


The relationship will move towards a transactional one - its inevitable.

Well this was bound to happen eventually after fall of USSR as there are no permanent friends but only permanent interests. Only we where too stupid enough to not to see it coming, blinded by emotional history of USSR-India friendship from 70's and 80's.

However there is a small possibility that if Russia joins with big brother China and sneaky Pak, eventually they will force russia to take decision that may not be in India's interest.

What if under Chinese pressure, Russia too starts opposing India in security council? or what if under Paki - Chinese pressure Russian ministers declare India oppressive against Kashmiris? Right now this looks highly unlikely but who knows what lies in future.

Lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Its high time MoD starts speeding up local manufacturing.

 

[Nicky G]

Well this was bound to happen eventually after fall of USSR as there are no permanent friends but only permanent interests. Only we where too stupid enough to not to see it coming, blinded by emotional history of USSR-India friendship from 70's and 80's.

However there is a small possibility that if Russia joins with big brother China and sneaky Pak, eventually they will force russia to take decision that may not be in India's interest.

What if under Chinese pressure, Russia too starts opposing India in security council? or what if under Paki - Chinese pressure Russian ministers declare India oppressive against Kashmiris? Right now this looks highly unlikely but who knows what lies in future.

Lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Its high time MoD starts speeding up local manufacturing.

The UNSC thing is likely in my opinion, maybe not straight away but a few years down the line. Just look as how Obama screwed Israel. If its in Russia's interest to screw India, make no mistake, they'll do just that. Though I doubt even US, UK, France will vote against us over a non-issue such as Kashmir.

At the fundamental level its simple. Paki establishment are prostitutes who will give anything away to try to achieve gains against India. We cannot do the same. Thus, what we have remaining is to grow as much as we can so that no one can afford to sanction us. As our NSA once said, the key to security Indian interests is to grow rapidly - that doesn't mean we ignore everything else just to grow; nor does it mean we only grow economically.

We also need to be careful not to have a knee-jerk reaction and run to the Yanks. They are no ones friends as well, in fact, they like every other world power have tried to destabalize India so that we are malleable.

We need to grow out of the mornonic Nehru mindset. the only thing that matters is power - economic, military, soft - all dimensions. So what we can do is grow.

In the meantime though, we need to extract what we can from everyone else - be it Yanks, Ruskies, Japanese, Israeli, Europenas, even the Chinis.

From Russians, what we need is technology as a cheaper price. Technology that we need that the west will not give us at this moment. So get that. Let them flirt with Pakis. Let them burn their hands in Afghan again if they wish to.

In the long run, Russia is a declining power with their economy shrinking. Let them hasten the process for all we care. Though they are the only country that can challenge the US in military terms.

 

[gadeshi]

Whatever you say, we aren't going to leave our territory. China isn't tolerating anyone in SCS. Why not us?

Nobody wants you to do that.

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[Indx TechStyle]

Nobody wants you to do that.

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Are we fools?
Everyone will line up taking begging bowls in hand if a country starts donating it's territory like nuts.
India joins CPEC means legalizing Pakistani occupation of Northwestern Kashmir.

 

[gadeshi]

Are we fools?
Everyone will line up taking begging bowls in hand if a country starts donating it's territory like nuts.
India joins CPEC means legalizing Pakistani occupation of Northwestern Kashmir.

Or deoccupation if somebody will create the proper circunstances

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[Indx TechStyle]

Or deoccupation if somebody will create the proper circunstances

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We will look ahead.
Though Pakistanis won't be happy over this, mark my words, they say CPEC will turn Pakistan into next UAE and India must not be allowed to steal their thunder.

 

[tharun]

Why did this CPEC shit is being discussed in this thread....if russians want to join cepec then it will will N times of that from India..

 

[Zebra]

Are we fools?
Everyone will line up taking begging bowls in hand if a country starts donating it's territory like nuts.
India joins CPEC means legalizing Pakistani occupation of Northwestern Kashmir.

If India won't get its land back, it means , Modi sold his motherland.

As simple as that.

 

[Cutting Edge]

It means , in other words Modi sold his motherland.

As simple as that.

India isn't joining CPEC nor does Paki want India to join.

 

[Cutting Edge]

I think, Putin's way (non-military) is far more effective
And it is not only me (but your govt as well) who accepts this

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You mean like Putin's non-military way in Ukraine, Syria, Georgia. Effective indeed, extremely effective!:biggrin2: I hope my government not only accepts this but also learns from it. We too have a neighbour where we can use Putin's way.

 

[Zebra]

India isn't joining CPEC nor does Paki want India to join.

So we are getting our land back, is that right.

 

[SANITY]

Narendra Modi, Russia Dy PM Dmitry Rogozin meet next week to help iron out differences

NEW DELHI: Old allies India and Russia will have the opportunity to deliberate on differences that have appeared in strategic ties over Moscow's recent overtures to Pakistan and the outreach to Taliban at a high level when Prime Minister Narendra Modi meets Russian Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin next week on the sidelines of Vibrant Gujarat Summit.

Modi had invited his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev to attend this edition of Vibrant Gujarat between January 9 and 14 but the Russian government deputed Rogozin, the point person for India-Russia ties, for the Summit. Rogozin is leading a 70-member delegation at the meet where Russia will showcase its industrial strengths with potential of investments in India, people familiar with the developments said.

Plans are also afoot for Modi to inaugurate the mega Russian pavilion at Vibrant Gujarat. This will be the biggest ever Russian presence at this summit so far. Russian nuclear major Rosatom, which has supplied reactors for the Kudankulam plant, will be present on the occasion as two countries hope to sign contracts for fifth and sixth units of the Tamil Nadu-based nuclear power station later this month. The line of credit to finance the two units have been firmed up and contracts are ready to be concluded, officials hinted.

All eyes though will be on the meeting between Modi and Rogozin, which will be held in the backdrop of recent overtures made by Moscow to Pakistan and holding of a trilateral dialogue with Islamabad and Beijing on Afghanistan that plans outreach to Taliban with the goal of fighting the Islamic State. While the Modi-Rogozin interaction will formally focus on India-Russia economic partnership, energy and defence projects, the meeting could also be an opportunity to touch on the political and strategic issues.

While India did not formally lodge protest with Russia, Delhi is closely observing the developments in the region where it has huge stakes, according to people familiar with the developments. Moscow maintains that the depth of its ties with India cannot be compared with Russia-Pakistan ties and that such relations will not be built at India’s cost. It might be recalled that while Russia held joint military exercises with Pakistan in Peshawar, it had cancelled military drills in the Rattu area of Gilgit-Baltistan following last September’s Uri terror strikes after India objected as the area fell in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). Russia was also among the first big powers to support India’s decision to carry out cross-LoC surgical strikes in PoK.

Besides the diamond industry, Russia has growing stakes in Gujarat spanning across the transport and energy sectors. Russia and India are eyeing trade turnover of $30 billion by 2025. An agreement on a free trade zone between the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) and India will help realise plans to increase trade. A decision was arrived last week to conclude a free trade zone agreement between the EAEU and India, as well as with Iran, Egypt and Singapore.

 

[Alekssmol67]

Russia independently defines the policy. If India wanted to buy the American weapon, then Russia can begin to sell the weapon to Pakistan which was always the American zone of interests and bought exclusively American weapon.

 

[India22]

Russia independently defines the policy. If India wanted to buy the American weapon, then Russia can begin to sell the weapon to Pakistan which was always the American zone of interests and bought exclusively American weapon.

Priviyet, But India supported Russia on Ukraine. If India for China allies with US why should Russia sell weapons to Pakistan when China Pakistan's ally poses bigger threat to Russia? Tovarish? Siberia may be occupied by Chinese.

 

[Alekssmol67]

Priviyet, But India supported Russia on Ukraine. If India for China allies with US why should Russia sell weapons to Pakistan when China Pakistan's ally poses bigger threat to Russia? Tovarish? Siberia may be occupied by Chinese.

First I to you not Tovarish. It is first.
And secondly the Chinese army only looks seriously. And actually it is poorly combat-ready. It has an outdated weapon. China lost all wars which it is only possible. Even to weak opponents. For example Japan in ancient centuries and in the 20th century, England in the 19th century.
In the third at Russia the army is much efficient and prepared, besides there is nuclear weapon.
Well and in the fourth in Siberia Chinese will elementary freeze. It is not their climate.

 

[India22]

First I to you not Tovarish. It is first.
And secondly the Chinese army only looks seriously. And actually it is poorly combat-ready. It has an outdated weapon. China lost all wars which it is only possible. Even to weak opponents. For example Japan in ancient centuries and in the 20th century, England in the 19th century.
In the third at Russia the army is much efficient and prepared, besides there is nuclear weapon.
Well and in the fourth in Siberia Chinese will elementary freeze. It is not their climate.

You are then seriously wrong. It is 21st century. Chinese immigration in Siberia can change it. And Russia will be able to do nothing. https://chinadailymail.com/2014/07/05/why-china-will-reclaim-siberia/

Russia instead of supporting Pakistan and China should stay aware of Chinese designs, make friendship with India, come to a compromise with US.

 

[Alekssmol67]

You are then seriously wrong. It is 21st century. Chinese immigration in Siberia can change it. And Russia will be able to do nothing. https://chinadailymail.com/2014/07/05/why-china-will-reclaim-siberia/

Russia instead of supporting Pakistan and China should stay aware of Chinese designs, make friendship with India, come to a compromise with US.

I SHOULDN'T TELL WHAT OCCURS IN MY COUNTRY, I KNOW IT BETTER YOU!!!
To trust newspapers it means to trust all rumors and gossips.
And I see nothing bad that Russia builds up a relationship with Pakistan. With whom to us to be on friendly terms and with whom isn't present let our president defines.
Why we can't look for new allies and friends?
India makes advances to America?