India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Azaad]

I don't deny any of what you said but come on!! This one is indefensible no matter which way you look at it from. These are professional soldiers we're talking about here, they should be held to higher standards than this (in terms of brain power I mean, not their morality in case anyone's been wondering)

Maybe the frustration of the servicemen crossed boiling point. May be this frustration was directed as much at their own top brass as it was to other OGWs & the civilian population at large , the posting of the video being a manifestation of it to send the message across .

And the message definitely went across right upto the political masters. Pity it had to happen the way it did but life's cheap out here , be it of the terrorist , the OGW , the civilian , the jawan or his higher ups .

 

[mokoman]

Maybe the frustration of the servicemen crossed boiling point. May be this frustration was directed as much at their own top brass as it was to other OGWs & the civilian population at large , the posting of the video being a manifestation of it to send the message across .

And the message definitely went across right upto the political masters. Pity it had to happen the way it did but life's cheap out here , be it of the terrorist , the OGW , the civilian , the jawan or his higher ups .

seems like there is more pressure on them even before the ambush/beheading , officer from 48 RR went crazy and shot up some fellow people . he said terrorist was attacking the camp and started throwing grendades.

army is deploying some 10,000 new troops here , have a feeling PAFF/TRF/JEM will simply leave this sector and move else where and repeat attacks.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Someone back in NE thread had casted doubt on dictatorial regimes and why we shouldn't interfere in their colored revolution.
Can't find the post so just laying this out here.

Is Libya better than it was under Gaddafi?
As much as Gaddafi was a rascal he brought peace and prosperity to the region and acted as a wall between Africa and Europe

The alternate to dictatorship for that particular society was chaos.
A chaotic country isn't just a headache for itself but for the entire neighborhood.

Many members feel like things happening in Myanmar are good enough and it's outcome are just.

Dictatorship must not be replaced by lunacracy.
Specially keeping our interests in mind.

If it's not broken don't fix it.

One must never fall for western psyop.

The willingness to implement high standards of war ethics and democracy in insurgency hit areas may not result in a favourbale outcome.

Western counties as whole don't face civil war like ours so they have differnet standards than us, applying their ethics would only result in self compromise.

Posting in this thread because we need to keep this perspective and give ourselves some breathing space.

 

[mokoman]

 

[airborneCommando]

have a feeling PAFF/TRF/JEM will simply leave this sector and move else where and repeat attacks.

At most they'll move to south pir panjal - southwest kashmir sector. Takes time to build a good network of informers, raport with the local OGWs, potential safehouses, safe camps to stay and logistics aswell. And yes, I believe they were trying to heat things up in kishtwar aswell.

 

[shade]

Someone back in NE thread had casted doubt on dictatorial regimes and why we shouldn't interfere in their colored revolution.
Can't find the post so just laying this out here.

Is Libya better than it was under Gaddafi?
As much as Gaddafi was a rascal he brought peace and prosperity to the region and acted as a wall between Africa and Europe

The alternate to dictatorship for that particular society was chaos.
A chaotic country isn't just a headache for itself but for the entire neighborhood.

Many members feel like things happening in Myanmar are good enough and it's outcome are just.

Dictatorship must not be replaced by lunacracy.
Specially keeping our interests in mind.

If it's not broken don't fix it.

One must never fall for western psyop.

The willingness to implement high standards of war ethics and democracy in insurgency hit areas may not result in a favourbale outcome.

Western counties as whole don't face civil war like ours so they have differnet standards than us, applying their ethics would only result in self compromise.

Posting in this thread because we need to keep this perspective and give ourselves some breathing space.

We can't tank gora saheb's sanctions, nor can we meet Chini saheb's largesse to the Junta and therefore are only restricted to providing limited and sheepish support to the Junta/Tatmadaw.
It is foolish to see the affairs of foreign countries through the gora saheb's colored lenses of liberdal world order "morality"

 

[mist_consecutive]

Most people lack the basic intellect of understanding a simple thing which is why are we in kashmir?

if we are there to rule it then we need to keep locals on our side

If you start killing locals how will you win kashmir

the army of early 90 has done this blunder and we paid for it

so the best approach is to show secualarism and win most of the locals and not do anything which upsets them or makes them feel unfairly treated

Look man..

If we start punishing the people who have nothing to do with terrorist or extremism then the ones who are creating violence will get a larger base of support.

The Indian Army launched several programs to include Kashmiris in mainstream also.

Look at the situation now..Kashmir is almost incident free..and the reason is not our Army being the best or ruthless but showing a caring approach.

Iron fist in a velvet glove.

Seems ideal but doesn't work with Muslims, sorry.

Kashmiri locals only respect power. The moment they sense we are weak they will rebel & backstab us. There is no love or trust gained by us by any amount of friendship/trust building activity with locals.

We peace-fool Hindus mistake Kashmiri co-operation with us in recent times as signs of their increasing bonhomie towards us, that is not the case.

The real reason is hopelessess. Talk with Kashmiri folks, locals, villagers, sheep-herders, you will sense the pulse. After Article 370 they have essentially given up on the seperatism dream. Going against the army is a certain death sentence, and misery to your entire family.
Adding this to constant economic development, it is better to focus on money & cozy life than pickup up guns which leads to certain death at short notice.

So, time & time when locals forget who is the ultimate death reaper in the valley, and backstab us, we need to remind them, and remind them in the most gruesome way possible that they are alive only because of our merciful nature.

Agree the OGW torture was executed poorly due to high emotions. But don't be mistaken anything else would keep them tame.
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[mist_consecutive]

officer from 48 RR went crazy and shot up some fellow people . he said terrorist was attacking the camp and started throwing grendades.

• This was before the beheadings.
• It was a personal grudge. Basically the IC stole research paper of 2IC which made 2IC ballistic.

army is deploying some 10,000 new troops here , have a feeling PAFF/TRF/JEM will simply leave this sector and move else where and repeat attacks.

No brainer honestly. They probably already exfiltrated or moved to other location. But the point never was to hunt the terrorists but to create a strong CI presence & area denial in future.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Seems ideal but doesn't work with Muslims, sorry.

Kashmiri locals only respect power. The moment they sense we are weak they will rebel & backstab us. There is no love or trust gained by us by any amount of friendship/trust building activity with locals.

We peace-fool Hindus mistake Kashmiri co-operation with us in recent times as signs of their increasing bonhomie towards us, that is not the case.

The real reason is hopelessess. Talk with Kashmiri folks, locals, villagers, sheep-herders, you will sense the pulse. After Article 370 they have essentially given up on the seperatism dream. Going against the army is a certain death sentence, and misery to your entire family.
Adding this to constant economic development, it is better to focus on money & cozy life than pickup up guns which leads to certain death at short notice.

So, time & time when locals forget who is the ultimate death reaper in the valley, and backstab us, we need to remind them, and remind them in the most gruesome way possible that they are alive only because of our merciful nature.

Agree the OGW torture was executed poorly due to high emotions. But don't be mistaken anything else would keep them tame.
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Kashmiris like pakistanis are very opportunistic.

They are not turning patriots for that but for better opportunity.

Today we have money hence they are with us.

Had the money not been there things would have been very different.

its give and take.

What we should do is to use this opportunity and get back the hindus and sikhs to the valley.

 

[mokoman]

Seems ideal but doesn't work with Muslims, sorry.

Kashmiri locals only respect power. The moment they sense we are weak they will rebel & backstab us. There is no love or trust gained by us by any amount of friendship/trust building activity with locals.

We peace-fool Hindus mistake Kashmiri co-operation with us in recent times as signs of their increasing bonhomie towards us, that is not the case.

The real reason is hopelessess. Talk with Kashmiri folks, locals, villagers, sheep-herders, you will sense the pulse. After Article 370 they have essentially given up on the seperatism dream. Going against the army is a certain death sentence, and misery to your entire family.
Adding this to constant economic development, it is better to focus on money & cozy life than pickup up guns which leads to certain death at short notice.

So, time & time when locals forget who is the ultimate death reaper in the valley, and backstab us, we need to remind them, and remind them in the most gruesome way possible that they are alive only because of our merciful nature.

Agree the OGW torture was executed poorly due to high emotions. But don't be mistaken anything else would keep them tame.
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army has 'adopted' the village . good initiative , this village doesn't even have roads .

we should have connected every small village with roads by now .

hopefully atleast development + connectivity would turn people away from separatism

 

[Blood+]

army has 'adopted' the village . good initiative , this village doesn't even have roads .

we should have connected every small village with roads by now .

hopefully atleast development + connectivity would turn people away from separatism

Right now, they are giving them the carrot, which is all fine and dandy as long as they are willing to bring down the stick and bring it down hard in case the carrot fails to entice them.

 

[Suryavanshi]

army has 'adopted' the village . good initiative , this village doesn't even have roads .

we should have connected every small village with roads by now .

hopefully atleast development + connectivity would turn people away from separatism

It takes two generation to cull radicalism.
For Islamic society it's three.
The 2000 to 2020 was the first generation that saw peace. You can see then still cheering on for Paksitan. We may expect things to get better in 2020 to 2040 generation.

But the Islamic society is such that out of nowhere a green can suddenly combust.
The decreased gulf surplus wealth will certainty have impact on Islamic radicalism for the better.

 

[mist_consecutive]

What we should do is to use this opportunity and get back the hindus and sikhs to the valley.

Never happening. They will feign peace & co-operation out of fear but they will never allow Kafirs to come back. Happened before, happening now, and will keep on happening in the future.

Unless Sikhs/Hindus grow a pair and decide to fend for themselves aggresively, GoI can only do so much. But something about the positive emotions in Hindu society & gaining back self-respect has me getting faintly hopeful for this sometime in near future.

 

[Cheran]

"Cross border terror module on the LOC".

Trying to cross over.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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"Cross border terror module on the LOC".

Trying to cross over.

Why to maintain ceasefire in such conditions and help Pak Army?

 

[Azaad]

Jihad poster boy Burhan Wani was enjoying his 72 here & presumably in the beyond.

Jeevan Anand - Zindagi ke saath bhi, zindagi ke baad bhi .

Life ho toh aisi !!

 

[Kumaoni]

Why to maintain ceasefire in such conditions and help Pak Army?

Exactly. There’s a reason pakis declared a ceasefire in 2003…

 

[Kumaoni]

fucking chad. My new idol.

 

[Tshering22]

People advocate thrashing porkis as if it is a timid street dog. Nope, it is rabid, bites nastily, and strapped with a suicide vest. Moreover its masters are more than happy to needle us whatever way possible.

Pushing Pakistan upto Jhelum, taking back PoK etc, etc., is all loose talk. Max we can do is some cross border strikes, isolated airstrikes and hope Pakistan doesn't takes them seriously and escalates.

Then India needs to make it worse by ending this beast from within. Whatever Doval is doing right now needs to be amplified a dozen-fold.

• They are experiencing 15-20 hour load shedding; hit their power infrastructure across the country through some yahoo group.
• The price of wheat flour there is through the roof; turn up the heat by encouraging their grain stocks to be moved into Afghanistan (surely the fundamentalist Afghans who hate the Pakistanis will not mind)
• Amplify the misery of the jurnails' through Unknowns and drain their stocks; make it so steep that the Americans and Chinese struggle to fill their military's coffers.
• Use their game against them by rendering their public transport areas, their utilities, their imports of critical equipment such as medical, surgical and other equipment painful to obtain. India will have to play 5D chess with the Sino-American Frenemy alliance in the coming years.

A military assault on Pakistan will only galvanize them behind their junta leadership, and give Americans and Chinese an opportunity to turn Pakistan into our Ukraine. This virus has to be destroyed from within. And there are enough Unknown Men inside to make Pakistanis beg for a quick end. The longer we wait, the more they will be a bulwark against us for the Sino-American shadow alliance.

Remember, Ukraine to Russia is what Bangladesh to us, and even without nukes they are able to hold off the Russians so well. Russia remains immune because it has all the resources it needs to close off from the world and sustain well. We don't have that luxury. For us, it is important to strike and slay the serpent before it becomes a future outpost of the US or China.

 

[mcpo117]

fucking chad. My new idol.

WTF? why show face???