India Must Choose Both China and Japan

[Srinivas_K]

First come out of ur stupid RELIGION

What do you mean by that ??

Why would I have to come out my faith??

explain this sentence.

Buddha never said he is POPPET/GOD'S SON he is PHILOSOPHER/GUIDE

who is arguing on this point??

Hinduism is not RELIGION is WAY OF LIFE of INDIAN SUB CONTINENT

Do not view Hinduism in the lens of some conservative faiths who have constrained them selves with some holy texts associated with that. Hinduism is difficult to understand in that perspective.

and India REJECTED his Principles so who ever follows his principles r his descendents....we r not

again wrong assertion, there are emperors like Ashoka the great who spread Buddhism and embraced it.

so don't make Buddha with stupid God/Religion.... he is more than that

Hindus view him as 12 th avatar, what is the problem??

Did any conservative text in dharmic religion like Buddhism asks to kill any one who calls Buddha a GOD or what??

 

[roma]

All of us have heard of "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly " ?

Well im not so cruel so i'll call it
the "The Good, the Bad and the Joker" .

And where did the Buddha achieve Nirvana?
That is what is the cornerstone of Buddhism.
In China?

You have no idea about Buddhism and the history of Buddhism that is associated with this land!!
With out Indian emperors converting to Buddhism it would have not flourished at that time.
India is the center of Buddhist world, include Nepal as Buddha is born.
India is a Dharmic land where 80 percent people follow dharmic religions, Hinduism is a flexible one which also incorporated Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu.
Buddha descendent's ??
They are Buddha followers or people who practice Buddha's principles.

Buddhism came from hinduism which originated in india.
One of the main reson for buddhism to be created was the ultimate flaw in hinduism i.e unequality/casteism.
nepal was also under indian rulers that why it is still a hindu majority state.
So its not wrong to say that buddhism originated from 'Bharat varsh'

The Good are you guys above .

Buddhism came from an Indian Prince.
Now if , and i said if he went off to somewhere in greater India which is now technically in Nepal, i have
no great problem with that , because any Christian can testify that the Apostle Paul who wrote
two-thirds of the New Testament ( under the inspiration of is Majesty the Holy Spirit ) spent
fourteen years in Arabia after his reverting to the Christian faith, but SAUDI ARABIA does not
claim him as theirs

During the tenure of the UPA we had a prime minister whom many describe as weak and all that
so China held the Buddhist Conference and no body said a WORD !

Recently NaMo invited teh Tibetan Gov in Exile to his investiture .
Just after that he began arrangements to invite the ccp-china pm to India .

We cant prevent ccpchina from hosting their Buddhist conference
But neither can they prevent us from holding our own

So we should host our own World Buddhist Conferee jointly with the Tibetan Gov in Exile,
the Tibetans who are resident wherever plus the Japanese.. Neither us nor the Tibetans nor
the Japanese should participate in the ccpchina version. They can have theirs , we, the Tibetans
and teh Japanese will have ours and the rest of the world can choose .


Now come the BAD :-

Nah, the birthplace for Buddhism is Lumbini, located in present day Nepal. Nepalis would be upset to hear u attribute the "posititive" cultural influence to India. On many of their vehicles a poster "Buddha was born in Nepal" is very conspicuous! How many Indians are Buddhists nowadays? Most of them are either Tibeto-Burman people (Mongloids) or converts in protest against Caste.

Now Chinese have embraced Buddhism as part of our own cultural soft power and a bond with S.Asian peers like Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Myanmar (We're all South Asians!).

the point being present day B'ism is sparsely associated with India (a diff. religion in essence from its Indian roots ) while Chinese B'ists extensively in affinity and interactions with South Asian fellow followers (barring Indian).
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This furthers my case that we need a special membership category for teh ccpchina members
they are telling us where Buddhism came from
Next they will tell us where our ancestors came from .

We need a special ccpchina member category which actually reads numb-skull category
Well you've read the Good and the bad .. now comes the joker:-

Where is Jesus Born ... where is MO born Any way India don't have any CLAIM in BUDDHISM we(Ind/Npl) r not DESCENDENTS of Buddha,may be from Indian SUBCONTINENT BURMA/SL have RIGHT to call BUDDHA descendents we r 100% not.
We r like fools actually rejected BUDDHA TEACHING/PRINCIPLES
and go back to HINDU ROOTS

all i will say is that the language of this forum should be English ?

 

[prohumanity]

This thread has posts which I find silly but amusing. Some people here are assuming that without west ,Giant nations like India and China can not progress which I totally disagree. As for war between West and India, China or Russia, it will be devastating to both sides equally. Don't forget, Japan had to surrender because it did not have nuclear weapons and US attacked mercilessly this nation with nuclear weapons and destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Now, imagine a hypothetical WW3 scenario, If west attacks, say Russia or China or India, and any of these country decides to launch Topol M, DF 51 or Agni 6 with Nukes and devastates several western cities (just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki) what will be advantage of west having nanotechnology and other blah blah new technology. How long this war will last... 24 to 48 hours and everything will be over...both the hegemon and the nations which the hegemon wants to intimidate by better technology weapons. Iraq, Libya, Syria's misfortune was that they did not have nukes and these nations were destroyed by west easily. The radioactivity from these nuke attacks on western cities will get the bullies down for 100 years with their high tech stuff deep inside their a*ss. This is not 1944, things have changed dramatically now. Attack Russia and see the fun....Putin has already said last week and gave a hint that he will not hesitate to defend Russia and may use use nuclear weapons ,if attacked. Folks, come to reality...days of bullies are going to be over soon. It will be a multipolar world order and west will be forced to learn mutual respect.
West wants to make India and China enemies...the crooked mindset of west has always been doing "divide and conquer" pit nations against each other to continue hegemony but ,now, most smart people understand this rotten ,old tecnique.

 

[Prometheus]

This thread has posts which I find silly but amusing. S
Now, imagine a hypothetical WW3 scenario, If west attacks, say Russia or China or India, and any of these country decides to launch Topol M, DF 51 or Agni 6 with Nukes and devastates several western cities (just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki) what will be advantage of west having nanotechnology and other blah blah new technology. How long this war will last... 24 to 48 hours and everything will be over...both the hegemon and the nations which the hegemon wants to intimidate by better technology weapons. Iraq, Libya, Syria's misfortune was that they did not have nukes and these nations were destroyed by west easily. The radioactivity from these nuke attacks on western cities will get the bullies down for 100 years with their high tech stuff deep inside their a*ss. This is not 1944, things have changed dramatically now. Attack Russia and see the fun....Putin has already said last week and gave a hint that he will not hesitate to defend Russia and may use use nuclear weapons ,if attacked. Folks, come to reality...days of bullies are going to be over soon. It will be a multipolar world order and west will be forced to learn mutual respect.
West wants to make India and China enemies...the crooked mindset of west has always been doing "divide and conquer" pit nations against each other to continue hegemony but ,now, most smart people understand this rotten ,old tecnique.

Well nano tech & genetics can infiltrate your top brass and alter the very decision to fire the nukes. They could enter the deepest recesses of your mind and could steal, even change your launch codes,or even fire your own weapons at you. With an AI army at your command, nations like India & China will loose the conventional edge they have in terms of numbers that they currently have. Hell even the American/western public wouldn't care how many died because they wouldn't have any casualties.

Your hypothesis sounds good for WW2 tech. How many people had heard of the atom bomb before the Americans used it during WW2? well its been 69 years now, and the US has been researching all the while. WW3 is certainly not gonna be fought with those primitive weapons. Its gonna see a whole new range of game changing weapons, things you couldn't even dream of.

 

[Srinivas_K]

First learn what is RELIGION (by DEFINITION) then check why INDIAN SUPREME COURT said HINDUISM is not a RELIGION

there is no Avatars those r fake

Dharmic religion is a new invention to collide Hinduism with Buddhism

Hinduism is much more than a religion.

I have my doubts of the claims of Abrahamic religions , fact is religious texts cannot be proven as of now.

It is foolish to see Hinduism in the lens of Abrahamic religions.

 

[Srinivas_K]

We should hold the Buddhism meet as we are diverse and tolerant society.

All of us have heard of "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly " ?

Well im not so cruel so i'll call it
the "The Good, the Bad and the Joker" .








The Good are you guys above .

Buddhism came from an Indian Prince.
Now if , and i said if he went off to somewhere in greater India which is now technically in Nepal, i have
no great problem with that , because any Christian can testify that the Apostle Paul who wrote
two-thirds of the New Testament ( under the inspiration of is Majesty the Holy Spirit ) spent
fourteen years in Arabia after his reverting to the Christian faith, but SAUDI ARABIA does not
claim him as theirs

During the tenure of the UPA we had a prime minister whom many describe as weak and all that
so China held the Buddhist Conference and no body said a WORD !

Recently NaMo invited teh Tibetan Gov in Exile to his investiture .
Just after that he began arrangements to invite the ccp-china pm to India .

We cant prevent ccpchina from hosting their Buddhist conference
But neither can they prevent us from holding our own

So we should host our own World Buddhist Conferee jointly with the Tibetan Gov in Exile,
the Tibetans who are resident wherever plus the Japanese.. Neither us nor the Tibetans nor
the Japanese should participate in the ccpchina version. They can have theirs , we, the Tibetans
and teh Japanese will have ours and the rest of the world can choose .


Now come the BAD :-






This furthers my case that we need a special membership category for teh ccpchina members
they are telling us where Buddhism came from
Next they will tell us where our ancestors came from .

We need a special ccpchina member category which actually reads numb-skull category
Well you've read the Good and the bad .. now comes the joker:-



all i will say is that the language of this forum should be English ?

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

First come out of ur stupid RELIGION


India (Hindu's) never follow DHARMA.DHARMA means EQUALITY where is INDIA/HINDU r least in it.

Better to keep silent and learn if you have no idea about what you talking about.

Talking about dharma which hinduism expect us to follow says that not doing same profession as your forefather is adharma. By not following it we will inculcate demerits which will result in suffering in this life or in coming next lifes. If you read the hindu epic mahabharata(which is dominant on focusing on the two major aspecta of hinduism i.e karma and dhqrma- adharma) you will realise that unequality was rampant from thousands of years. Pandavas as well as kauravas(except duryodhan) always refered to karn as a low life charioteers son even though he was a better archer than arjuna.

Unequality/casteism is the ugliest thing hinduism practised.

 

[Srinivas_K]

India (Hindu's) never follow DHARMA.DHARMA means EQUALITY where is INDIA/HINDU r least in it.Either Caste/Gender.... we r Opposite to Budhism, we may cal ourselves as DESCENDENTS of INDUS VALLEY/VEDIC CIVILIZATION but not Buddha

You have no idea of what "Dharma" is

Dharama is a relative term which varies as the yoga changes.

The dharma of Treata yuga is different from the dharma of Dwapara yuga.

Indus saraswati civilization has roots inside interior India, migrations happened from east to west as river saraswati dried.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Caste system is not by birth but by deeds.(supposed to be)

Regarding Karna he is a king of Anga Rajya and so he comes under Royal category.

A guy who learns fighting skills necessary to fight a war is called a warrior/ kshatriya

and guy who rules or occupies a throne is called a king/emperor thus royal.

When Karna wanted to participate in war games that are conducted between pandavas and kauravas, several people object karna's entry, saying these are not war games between warriors but between kings.

So immediately Duryodhan declares Karna as king of anga rajya (Bengal).

Better to keep silent and learn if you have no idea about what you talking about.

Talking about dharma which hinduism expect us to follow says that not doing same profession as your forefather is adharma. By not following it we will inculcate demerits which will result in suffering in this life or in coming next lifes. If you read the hindu epic mahabharata(which is dominant on focusing on the two major aspecta of hinduism i.e karma and dhqrma- adharma) you will realise that unequality was rampant from thousands of years. Pandavas as well as kauravas(except duryodhan) always refered to karn as a low life charioteers son even though he was a better archer than arjuna.

Unequality/casteism is the ugliest thing hinduism practised.

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

@jus heres what your equality loving hinduism preached and practised.

According to the Rig Veda, sacred texts that date back to oral traditions of more than 3,000 years ago, progenitors of the four ranked varna groups sprang from various parts of the body of the primordial man, which Brahma created from clay (see The Vedas and Polytheism, ch. 3). Each group had a function in sustaining the life of society--the social body. Brahmans, or priests, were created from the mouth. They were to provide for the intellectual and spiritual needs of the community. Kshatriyas, warriors and rulers, were derived from the arms. Their role was to rule and to protect others. Vaishyas--landowners and merchants--sprang from the thighs, and were entrusted with the care of commerce and agriculture. Shudras--artisans and servants--came from the feet. Their task was to perform all manual labor.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Oh common those dwapara/avatars all r fake

DHARMA is RULE OF LAW or EQUALITY OF ALL introduced by Buddha in 3century B.C

The more you talk on this subject the more foolish you are looking.

Dharma (Buddhism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Concept similar to Hinduism.

Reason why both are called Dharmic religions.

Seems there is some paranoia regarding avatars in Hinduism

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

There is no EQUALITY in these days also like olden days priest class/Ruling class/Merchant &labor now Wealthy class/Ruling class/Merchant &Labor still exists.

Am sorry to break it to you but you are again wrong.

Although some educated Indians tell non-Indians or like to believe that way themselves that caste has been abolished or that "no one pays attention to caste anymore," such statements do not reflect reality.

Caste has undergone significant change since independence, but it still involves hundreds of millions of people. In its preamble, India's constitution forbids negative public discrimination on the basis of caste.

However, caste ranking and caste-based interaction have occurred for centuries and will continue to do so well into the foreseeable future, more in the countryside than in urban settings and more in the realms of kinship and marriage than in less personal interactions.

And For gods sake stop spreading misinformation about 'dharma'.

 

[Ray]

Where is Jesus Born ... where is MO born

Any way India don't have any CLAIM in BUDDHISM we(Ind/Npl) r not DESCENDENTS of Buddha,may be from Indian SUBCONTINENT BURMA/SL have RIGHT to call BUDDHA descendents we r 100% not.

We r like fools actually rejected BUDDHA TEACHING/PRINCIPLES and go back to HINDU ROOTS

Descendants?

How come?

They are progenies of Buddha?

Religion is an acquired choice and not genetically ordained.

 

[Srinivas_K]

yup man u r right

According some avatars VISHNU came to earth in form of FISH&PIG also...... totally believable

What is wrong if the creator manifests or comes back in the form of one or another creature to save Earth??

Each creature has its own physical characteristics which are good in dealing with the situation or problem, may be he has chosen the avatar according to this idea.

this is the belief of Hindus and it is a religion. Leave it like that.

Dharma includes wide range of concepts peace/equality/way of life/unity u can't define dharma.......... in core of this Dharma is EQUALITY

Again how are you arriving at this conclusion??

Dharma is more simply can be said as a "Balance to the world" according to the "creator's laws or intentions" , I may not be fully correct on this.

 

[Free Karma]

One of the main reson for buddhism to be created was the ultimate flaw in hinduism i.e unequality/casteism.

Not quite true. Buddha was against corruption in brahmins. Priests started taking more and more money/stuff for doing things, thus forgetting the spirit of rituals, forgetting the meaning behind teh rituals and so on. He wanted to stop that and go back what they were really meant for. Of course he had his own ideas on what they were.

A lot of american/european outsider sources these days seem to have added this part about anti-casteism. But these is little evidence about him being against caste. In fact a large majority of followers were from kashatriya and brahmin lines.

Refer here: Koenraad Elst: The Buddha and Caste

If nothing else, the prediction of the next buddha is probably the most telling one:

In his study of caste and the Buddha ("Buddhism, an atheistic and anti-caste religion? Modern ideology and historical reality of the ancient Indian Bauddha Dharma", Journal of Religious Culture, no.50 (2001)), the German Indologist Edmund Weber quotes the biographical source-text Lalitavistara and concludes: "The standpoint which caste a Buddha should belong to has not been revised in Buddhism up to the present day. It is dogmatised in the Lalitavistara in the following way: a Bodhisattva can by no means come from a lower or even mixed caste: 'After all Bodhisattvas were not born in despised lineage, among pariahs, in families of pipe or cart makers, or mixed castes.' Instead, in perfect harmony with the Great Sermon, it was said that: 'The Bodhisattvas appear only in two kinds of lineage, the one of the brahmanas and of the warriors (kshatriya).'"

I think people confuse his reform with societal reform, remember back then, caste was not seen as bad, or maybe it was not corrupted yet, and there was mobility which it lost out later (became hereditary)

 

[Srinivas_K]

Yeah ur Vishnu created some UGLY Hindu's and some good hindu's like MO/jesus created some UGLY mo/xian and some good mo/xians

and again he come in avatar/poppet/god's son to kill UGLY and save GOOD ones ur right

This is completely out of context.

Troll !! I would like to see you if you are good looking or not, even if you look good I am sure with the conversation like the above you will make it look ugly.

show your frustration some where else.

 

[Srinivas_K]

I target all religions equally so i'm following Dharma

That is not Dharma but some thing else called trolling

 

[Ray]

Yeah ur Vishnu created some UGLY Hindu's and some good hindu's like MO/jesus created some UGLY mo/xian and some good mo/xians

and again he come in avatar/poppet/god's son to kill UGLY and save GOOD ones ur right

The world has seen great men and idiotic followers.

Does it make the great men idiotic?

Your comments on Hindus Gods, some here revere, is most despicable, in the same way one would find it despicable if some were to speak in your ill conceived manner about Jesus and Mohammed.

Your posts goes below the level what one can even state as 'infantile'.

Grow up.

 

[Ray]

I target all religions equally so i'm following Dharma
@Ray sir Religion is an acquired choice and not genetically ordained.

Buddha is genetically SOUTH ASIAN so genetically we r his descendents but not by PRACTICE

There's a fine line between audacity and idiocy.

Your

Buddha is genetically SOUTH ASIAN so genetically we r his descendents but not by PRACTICE

This is an example of your 'brilliant' logic!

So, all Christians and Mussalmans, the world over are Middle Eastern descendants of these two personalities?

I assure you to look closely at Darwin's theory. It does prove that some people descended from the monkeys.

 

[amoy]

ma'am @roma is busy nagging and giving a slap on everyone with stickers good bad ugly joker"¦"¦yawning... none valid.

back to choosing Japan or China, even before the honeymoon ecstacy is over Indians will realize there're no freebies as usual. despite grandiose commitments and sweet talks shrewd Japanese will evaluate every single project back in business-is-business mode. like in past deals with Chinese all the soft loans were made in JP Yen and tied up with procurement of JP products. there involved huge loss often incurred by exchange rate fluctuations. as for defence deals, come on, India, unlike China, has already had a wide range of suppliers, American, French, Italian and Russian. the addition of Japanese though seemingly enhancing yr bargaining position, will only lead to spreading out yr orders thinly further. consider how yr relations with Russia would b diluted when yr orders dry up for them!

keep yr feet on the ground!

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