India Launched Surgical Strikes Across LoC: DGMO 29/09/2016

[Mikesingh]

Rega

Regarding the IE story. You have cleverly deleted the para where eyewitnesses said, "the claim of 38-50 causalities is exaggeration. Actual number of deaths was much less"

It's in the video! Less only in one sector. Casualties in other sectors were not known! So it could be 30-40 over all if not more.

 

[Project Dharma]

Rega

Regarding the IE story. You have cleverly deleted the para where eyewitnesses said, "the claim of 38-50 causalities is exaggeration. Actual number of deaths was much less"

However, eyewitness accounts, as well as intelligence records obtained by The Indian Express, suggest that fatalities in the raids may have been lower than the 38-50 killed attributed to Indian officials in reports, including in this newspaper, and have caused little damage to jihadist logistics and infrastructure.

It doesn't say "much less" it says "may have been lower". And it seems to corroborate what a member of this forum said that people who ran away were cleaned up later.

 

[vayuu1]

I have a question since I have not watched it, neither do I have any intention of giving that ba**urd any air time but did Om Puri insult our Armed Forces recently?

Yup he did

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[vayuu1]

I hope they don't do it. It's the matter of national security.
I pity the naysayers. If they can't believe the narrative of DGMO then they won't believe the videos.

Yup

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[Indx TechStyle]

Surgical strikes: Bodies taken away on trucks, loud explosions, eyewitnesses give graphic details
From classified intelligence documents accessed by The Indian Express, it appears the assault caught the Lashkar and other jihadist groups by surprise.
WRITTEN BY PRAVEEN SWAMI | NEW DELHI |Updated: October 5, 2016 12:27 PM

Eyewitnesses living across the Line of Control (LoC) have provided The Indian Express with graphic accounts of last week’s Indian Army special forces strikes on jihadists’ staging posts, describing how bodies of those killed in clashes before dawn on September 29 were loaded onto trucks for secret burials. The eyewitnesses also described brief but intense fire engagements that destroyed makeshift buildings that housed jihadists before they left for the last stage of their journeys across the LoC.

Their accounts corroborate India’s claims that it carried out strikes against terror launch pads — a claim Pakistan has denied, saying, instead, that its military’s forward positions were targeted with small-arms and mortar fire.

WATCH VIDEO: Surgical Strikes: Eyewitnesses’ Accounts Validate India’s Claim Of A Lethal Strike

They also provide, for the first time, details on some of the locations targeted in the operation, information which the governments of India and Pakistan have not made public.

Also read: Congress spells out three strikes UPA carried out

However, eyewitness accounts, as well as intelligence records obtained by The Indian Express, suggest that fatalities in the raids may have been lower than the 38-50 killed attributed to Indian officials in reports, including in this newspaper, and have caused little damage to jihadist logistics and infrastructure.

Lethal strike

Five eyewitnesses were contacted by The Indian Express through their kin living on the Indian side of the LoC and questions were sent to them using a commercially available encrypted chat system. The eyewitnesses’ identities are being withheld for their safety at the request of their families.

Indian journalists have no access to the Pakistani side of the LoC and the only Pakistan media reporting from these regions has been after a team of journalists were taken to some areas by the military there.

Also read: Congress backs Govt, asks for proof, says we struck too

The most detailed account of the fighting came from two eyewitnesses who visited Dudhnial, a small hamlet some 4 km across the LoC from India’s nearest forward post, Gulab, ahead of the town of Kupwara. The eyewitness reported seeing a gutted building across the Al-Haawi bridge from the hamlet’s main bazaar, where a military outpost and a compound used by the Lashkar are both sited.

Al-Haawi bridge is the last point where infiltrating groups are loaded with supplies before beginning their climb up to the LoC towards Kupwara, both eyewitnesses said.

Local residents told one of the eyewitnesses that loud explosions — possibly rounds fired from 84-mm Carl Gustav rifles — were heard from across the Al-Haawi bridge late in the night, along with intense small-arms fire. “People did not come out to see what was going on,” the eyewitness reported, “so did not see Indian soldiers but they gathered from the Lashkar people the next day that they had been attacked.”

Five, perhaps six, bodies were loaded on to a truck early next morning, and possibly transported to the nearest major Lashkar camp at Chalhana, across the Neelum river from Teetwal, on the Indian side of the LoC, the eyewitness said he was told by local residents.

Also read: In season of wartalk, CJI recalls 1965 horror – Saw feet in Army shoes being eaten by dogs

The Indian Army has made no official claim on casualties, but Director General of Military Operations Lieutenant General Ranbir Singh said the strikes caused “significant casualties” to “terrorists and those providing support to them.”

Friday prayers at a Lashkar-affiliated mosque in Chalhana, another eyewitness said, ended with a cleric vowing to avenge the deaths of the men killed the previous day. “The Lashkar men gathered there were blaming the Pak Army for failing to defend the border”, he said in one message, “and saying they would soon give India an answer it would never forget”.

From classified intelligence documents accessed by The Indian Express, it appears the assault caught the Lashkar and other jihadist groups by surprise. Intelligence Bureau records, one released on September 30 for a scheduled inter-agency meeting in New Delhi, spoke only of one major build-up, saying up to 40 jihadists had massed in Kél, facing India’s Machil sector. This unusual number was interpreted to be a preparation for a last-ditch infiltration push before the passes closed in early winter.

Terrorists unprepared

Elsewhere, though, nine intelligence alerts seen by The Indian Express, and issued in the week prior to the strike, flagged only small groups of five to 10 infiltrators biding their time at so-called “launch-pads”, essentially rural homes located close to military facilities, from where jihadists are guided towards India’s LoC defences.

“They were basically sitting around thinking it was business as usual”, an official familiar with the intelligence said. “Many of them would have died crossing the LoC anyway, when they hit our defences but this (the strikes) has made them feel unsafe one step back in their journeys”.

Leepa, a complex of some 25 hamlets located at the bottom of the Qazi Nag stream flowing down from the mountains above Naugam, on the Indian side of the LoC, was among the “launch-pads” targeted in the cross-LoC raids, one eyewitness said. Though the eyewitness was unable to visit the area, he said he spoken to villagers who had seen a Lashkar-occupied three-storied wooden building destroyed by Indian troops near the hamlet of Khairati Bagh.

Khairati Bagh was, until 2003, a major Lashkar base, which was slowly scaled down once the LoC ceasefire went into place and the terrorist group’s cross-LoC operations slowly declined. It remains, though, of key importance to the group, offering multiple lines of access into northern Kashmir through Chowkibal and the Bangas bowl.

The eyewitness said local residents said “three or four” Lashkar personnel were thought to have been killed in the raid, while others fled into the adjoining forests after the firing began.

Interestingly, the eyewitness said the Jamaat-ud-Dawa’s charitable wing, the Falah-i-Insaniyat Foundation, had held a major eye-surgery camp in Khairati Bagh in August, using the opportunity to deliver speeches on alleged atrocities by Indian soldiers in Kashmir. Fire and explosions were also heard, an eyewitness said, from the east bank of the Neelum river in Athmuqam, the district headquarters of the region.

Next to Pak Army

The fighting, the eyewitness said, appeared to have taken place near military camps along the Katha Nar stream that empties into the Neelum river just north of the town. A bustling town that serves as a hub for tourism and commerce, Athmuqam is also a major military hub, with several army facilities on the ridges the east bank of the river, sheltered from artillery bombardment.

The ghost villages of Bicchwal and Bugna, almost entirely abandoned by their residents who fled when the long jihad in Kashmir began in 1990, are barely 2 km from Salkhanna, the first village on the Pakistani side of the LoC, and the last loading point for jihadist infiltrators.

An eyewitness who visited the Neelum District Hospital in Athmuqam said he heard several Lashkar personnel had been killed and injured in the clash last Thursday but said no bodies had been buried locally.

Neelum valley residents, tied by kinship to mountain peoples on the other side of the LoC, have had a fraught relationship with jihadists operating in the area, fearing the collapse of the India-Pakistan ceasefire could lead to the return of the artillery exchanges which claimed the lives of hundreds of civilians before 2003.

In 2011, India-Pakistan military clashes led scores of Athmuqam women and children to march to the local army unit, demanding that it stop cross-border movement by jihadists.

The Pakistan Army responded by locating jihadist launch-pads alongside its camps, thus minimising contact between local residents and groups like the Lashkar. However, the massive street violence in Kashmir has led to a surge in the visibility of jihadists across the Neelum valley.

 

[Mikesingh]

Surgical strikes: Army okay with release of video footage

NEW DELHI: Top Army officials have okayed and are in fact keen that the government uses video footage of last week's surgical strikes on Pakistan any way it wants, so that any doubts and talk about 'proof' are laid to rest once and for all, sources said.

Now, the decision rests with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Pakistan has continued to say that no surgical strikes were conducted by India on September 29. Islamabad said the events of September 29 were just routine episodes of cross-border fire. (Lol!)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-of-surgical-strikes/articleshow/54692796.cms

Paki lies and denials are gonna be exposed soon! Their media and 'defense experts' were laughing at the surgical strikes. But soon we're soon going to be laughing our asses off seeing their reactions!

 

[Just telling Truth]

You are not getting my point; the locals are not speaking lies as they have talked to the independent journalists from CNN, BBC just like Washington post recently interviewed them and then they also claimed nothing happened, but just as usual cease fire violation from your side.

Our DG ISPR General Asim Saleem Bajwa not only piercing these places, but also rest assured them that they can utterly visit these places where to debunk your fake “ Sir G Kal “


You think whole world would believe in your made-up crafted story? Americans recent White House statement, and Washington Post preceding news and deliberation already deflated that.


American’s top cane, previously said we are monitoring real time situation on LOC what’s happening there, through their real time satellite monitoring systems. And, rest assured they know it was usual cease fire violation from your side and you termed that as “ Sir G Kal “

 

[Project Dharma]

You are not getting my point; the locals are not speaking lies as they have talked to the independent journalists from CNN, BBC just like Washington post recently interviewed them and then they also claimed nothing happened, but just as usual cease fire violation from your side.

Our DG ISPR General Asim Saleem Bajwanot only piercing these places, but also rest assured them that they can utterly visit these places where to debunk your fake “ Sir G Kal “


You think whole world would believe in your made-up crafted story? Americans recent White House statement, and Washington Post preceding news and deliberation already deflated that.


American’s top cane, previously said we are monitoring real time situation on LOC what’s happening there, through their real time satellite monitoring systems. And, rest assured they know it was usual cease fire violation from your side and you termed that as “ Sir G Kal “

You guys (pakis) are such US lap dogs. 99% of the time dawn.com will have a headline like "US snubs India.." and then when you click on the story it turns out that the US just took a really neutral stand. Same as in this case:

White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters Thursday the U.S. expects Pakistan "to combat and de-legitimize" U.N. designated terrorists.

Locals are not speaking lies but a three star general of the Indian army is? Yeah I'd take his word over a couple of ISI planted madrassa idiots.

Lastly, when you talk about the western press, read the whole article carefully they all say "india said this" but "paki said this" and the headline will be "2 paki soldiers killed" because that is what pakistan admits and has been corroborated by your side.

 

[Just telling Truth]

You guys (pakis) are such US lap dogs. 99% of the time dawn.com will have a headline like "US snubs India.." and then when you click on the story it turns out that the US just took a really neutral stand. Same as in this case:



Locals are not speaking lies but a three star general of the Indian army is? Yeah I'd take his word over a couple of ISI planted madrassa idiots.

Lastly, when you talk about the western press, read the whole article carefully they all say "india said this" but "paki said this" and the headline will be "2 paki soldiers killed" because that is what pakistan admits and has been corroborated by your side.

You are adage to what you have been nourished by your fake media and DGMO. They are deceitful to you stop living in delusion and rational yourself. At least 14 Indian soldiers have been killed so far, 8 casualties in one sector and 6 in the other, those bodies of eight Indian soldiers were lying across the LoC in Tatta Pani Sector, and we have captured your one RR soldier too.

 

[Project Dharma]

Oh and when you people say "your generals are lying", you don't realize that for the average Indian, the idea that an Army officer would lie is ludicrous. Indian army officers live and die for their legacy. If they are dishonored, they lose their pensions, are court martialled and can't show their face in military circles anymore.

Contrast that with your joke of an army without any credibility where Musharraf gets to be President after lying about Paki role in Kargil and not accepting dead bodies of soldiers. Basically your whole army establishment is corrupt as heck and your generals have the integrity of an ISIS thug.

 

[Project Dharma]

You are adage to what you have been nourished by your fake media and DGMO. They are deceitful to you stop living in delusion and rational yourself. At least 14 Indian soldiers have been killed so far, 8 casualties in one sector and 6 in the other, those bodies of eight Indian soldiers were lying across the LoC in Tatta Pani Sector, and we have captured your one RR soldier too.

bc which soldiers? what are their names? Where are their families? Maulana ji akal nu hatth maro, chittaran nu nai

 

[Just telling Truth]

bc which soldiers? what are their names? Where are their families? Maulana ji akal nu hatth maro, chittaran nu nai

All are obtainable to the media, everyone is harmonizing excluding you. Pandit g meri akal hega tahi tuwanu sachai bata reyan , tusi khali sir nu hath mareyo , thodi aqal nu maro shaied jag jawey lol

 

[raheel besharam]

Pakistan army is exposed now hahaha

and yes as i said the killed rats were b/w 15-20 not 60+ as some people claim

 

[Darth Malgus]

Pakistan army is exposed now hahaha
and yes as i said the killed rats were b/w 15-20 not 60+ as some people claim

You would rather believe Praveen Swami over Maj Gen GD Bakshi ?.....thanks for clarifying that
"Some people" whom you talk about here are former Military officers, they have far more credibility than this Praveen Swami.

 

[hardip]

You are not getting my point; the locals are not speaking lies as they have talked to the independent journalists from CNN, BBC just like Washington post recently interviewed them and then they also claimed nothing happened, but just as usual cease fire violation from your side.

Our DG ISPR General Asim Saleem Bajwa not only piercing these places, but also rest assured them that they can utterly visit these places where to debunk your fake “ Sir G Kal “


You think whole world would believe in your made-up crafted story? Americans recent White House statement, and Washington Post preceding news and deliberation already deflated that.


American’s top cane, previously said we are monitoring real time situation on LOC what’s happening there, through their real time satellite monitoring systems. And, rest assured they know it was usual cease fire violation from your side and you termed that as “ Sir G Kal “

story from Pakistan:

and m sur U belive THIS..

खबर-ऐ-पाकिस्तान..

सजीँकल स्ट्राइक के बाद..

नवाज शरीफ की इंटेलिजेंस चीफ के साथ मीटिंग हुई।

नवाज शरीफ - आप सारी कॉल और मैसेज trace कर रहे थे फिर आपको इंडियन आर्मी का प्लान पता कैसे नहीं चला।???
मुझे पुरा... मुआमला....समजाये...

चीफ - जनाब..ये.. अंग्रजो की देन है।

नवाज शरीफ - ये आज़ादी के 69 साल बाद अंग्रेज बीच में कहाँ से आ गए।

चीफ - मैसेज अंग्रेजी में था सर्जीकल स्ट्राइक करेंगे। हमारे अफसर ने सुना..
"सर जी कल स्ट्राइक" करेंगे।

बंदे को लगा हिंदुस्तानी फौज कल से हड़ताल पे जाने वाली है।
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और अगले दिन ये .न्यूज पाकिस्तानी सारे चेनल पर हेडलाइन आने लगी...

"भारत के ४०००० आमीॅ पर्सनल..छुट्टी ना मिलने के मुतालिक स्ट्राइक पे जा रहै है..सबसे बड़ी जम्हुरीत का ढोंग करने वाला भारत.. अपनी ही आमीॅ की बात नहीं सुन रहा..."
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हम यहां.. ये खबर देने मे लगे.. रहे..
और भारतीय आमीॅ ने.. स्ट्राइक करदी..

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नवाज- अगली दफा.. एसे गलती नही होनी चाहिए..
..चीफ: जी हुजूर. ..अगली दफा.. इन्डियन आमीॅ के स्ट्राइक पे आने के बाद ही.. दुनिया को बताया जायेगा..

नवाज-:X



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[rock127]

bc which soldiers? what are their names? Where are their families? Maulana ji akal nu hatth maro, chittaran nu nai

Arre bhai... he is a famous young Paki TROLL from Paki forum where Pakistan has already invaded India and they are doing Nashta at Red Fort.These trolls are specifically sent by ISI to post loads of FAKE news without any source.

Recent surgical strikes have hit the Hijra Coward Pussy Pak Army so badly that they can just do fake news circulation by their 10-Cent Paki version.

Just see his name and flag... no relation at all.

 

[raheel besharam]

You would rather believe Praveen Swami over Maj Gen GD Bakshi ?.....thanks for clarifying that
"Some people" whom you talk about here are former Military officers, they have far more credibility than this Praveen Swami.

How much did GK bakshi sir claimed???

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Pakistan's clothes have been taken away.It is now trying to save "izzat" by wearing leaves,while being surrounded by goats(media).Isko poora nanga hone mein waqt nahi hai.

 

[Darth Malgus]

How much did GK bakshi sir claimed???

Listen to former CAOS interview and other Officers, esp on twitter, its crystal clear that the operation was a BIG one. Indian Express reports themselves claim Brigade HQ was hit, in the Video i.e...

"
Maj Gen Gagandeep Bakshi
September 30 at 9:30pm ·

My Personal tribute to the boys of 4 and 9 Para Cdo(SF) and all the Ghatak platoons involved in this classic trans-border op. They kept the area under surveillance for 7 days. Managed a flawless infiltration across the LC that completely surprised the Paki army (despite its highest state of alert and flap) defeated all their means of surveillance- inserted themselves behind the terror launch pad and lay in wait for them to buildup. When the terrorists moved in they struck swiftly and violently and have killed 49 terrorists( final battle damage assesment is still awaited and I expect the figure to go up.( you could see how agitated Hafiz Sayid was on the video- he was shrieking- his body language gave it all away). It was a flawless op and there were only two boys wounded. Rest all got away cleanly. The peaceniks were jeering at us after Mynmar. You are not the US Special Forces or the Israelis they said. You dare not try this with the Pakis we were warned. Well we just did!We pulled it off in a situation of near parity. It was a fantastic op.

THE MOST CRITICAL Aspect is that for THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS PLUS WE HAVE BREACHED A SIGNIFICANT MILITARY threshold and PSYCHOLOGICAL BARRIER- THE LC.Kudos to PM Modi for this clearence . He joins the select league of Indian PMs who have authorised crossings of the LC/IB.( Only 1965 and 1971- THERE WAS NO CROSSING IN KARGIL OR PARAKRAM).The real kudos go to our boys especially of 9 SF - they are among the worlds best. Two of their teams op under me in Romeo Force and I have seen these boys in action. Isalute them all. They have avenged our 18 martyrs of Uri.

India has FIRED a SHOT ACROSS THE BOW and put Pak on Notice- this far and no furthur.
I was out to Jaipur and Ajmer and couldnt post earlier- MY SALUTE- apne IZZAT rakh li.

 

[Darth Malgus]

Pakistan's clothes have been taken away.It is now trying to save "izzat" by wearing leaves,while being surrounded by goats(media).Isko poora nanga hone mein waqt nahi hai.

Full Alert , F-16s JF-17s flying around, flares being released during takeoff with full after burners. They were making a big show off and then...... Sept 28th Happens