India Launched Surgical Strikes Across LoC: DGMO 29/09/2016

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Whatever our strategy is , it seems to be working porki are scrambling for peace left and right . Their envoy crying for talks . Their naval chief is teaching his ilk virtue of Peace
We just need to keep the lid on until paki Janta clearly know how costly it is to harbor saeed and his ilk
 

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Any updates on our response to Baki shelling on LoC yesterday. We saw a few videos of Baki posts being halaaled, but nothing much more than that.

@Darth Malgus, you mentioned that 21 posts had been vapourised. Any sources? Any further news?
 

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Congi kutta, quoting some paki newspaper. Can you imagine this happening anywhere else in the world. A politician quoting enemy newspaper in a war like situation just to discredit the govt. Will he be able to continue his political career? Similarly, you wont see any american journalist lauded by osama coming on TV to preach everyday. But, it happens only here. shameless,these people and us, we both are.





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Brahmos A is not a BVR but air launch Stand off cruise missile.


Learn the difference.
I know. Semantics! Though BVR concerns air to air missiles, these are literally 'stand off' and vice versa meaning they can be fired without seeing the target on land or air!

But yes, BVR refers to air to air missiles! Stand off generally refers to air to ground missiles.
 

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Army's Surgical Strikes Were Carefully Measured: American Think-Tank

Washington: The Indian Army's surgical strike inside Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (PoK) against terrorists planning to infiltrate into India for terror activities was "carefully measured", a top American think-tank said today, adding the onus for escalation lies purely on Pakistan.

"This Indian response was indeed coming. Both as a signal to Pakistan and as reassurance for Indian domestic audiences. Modi could not let the outrage at Uri go unanswered," Ashley Tellis of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a top American think-tank said.

"The Indian action was carefully measured: striking at terrorist launch pads was meant to signal that India has not lost its freedom to retaliate, but puts the onus of further escalation on Pakistan," Tellis said.

Responding to a question, Tellis said the US will, counsel restraint, but unless the administration is willing to turn the screws on Pakistan -- which is unlikely -- India will be guided by its own interests, not American pleas for forbearance.


"I think Pakistan has its hands full right now, it is unlikely to respond to the Indian action militarily, but the larger sub-conventional war against India will continue," Tellis said.

Rick Rossow from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) recalled that the hint of such strikes was given last year, when the Indian Army initiated an attack against terrorists in Myanmar.

"India has also shown other new tools in its confrontation with Pakistan, such as withdrawing from the upcoming SAARC summit, building stronger ties with other South Asian nations, and using closer security ties with the US as a hook to press for reduced military cooperation with Pakistan," he said.


"This will likely keep Islamabad on its toes, though when employing new tools in such a struggle, clear messaging is key so both sides know the others' intentions. This will guard against unanticipated escalation," Rossow said.

According to him, following a number of recent provocations that India has linked to Pakistan-based terrorist groups, the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has employed a different set of tools to respond to these incitements.

"These tools may not be altogether new, but the fact that they have been the focus of India's response to Pakistan's incitements marks a different approach," he said.

Rossow said while the Ministry of Defence has stated it does not plan additional strikes, it is not clear whether the current tensions between India and Pakistan will escalate further.

"There is certainly little expectation that Pakistani militants, under varying degrees of control by Pakistan's military, will be deterred from initiating further attacks. But the costs to Islamabad of supporting terrorism are increasing, and taking different forms than before," Rossow said.

Jonah Blank, from the RAND Corporation think tank said that after the Mumbai 2008 attacks, India's patience had reached its limit.

"Pathankot was the breaking point. It was probably unrealistic to expect that the Uri attack would fail to bring a military response,"he said.

"The phone call between Ajit Doval and Susan Rice accomplished two important things: First, it enlisted the US to help prevent a Pakistani counter-strike. Second, it avoided jeopardizing the India-US relationship by having Washington find out about the attack from Islamabad or the media, he noted.

"There was never much likelihood that the US would condemn the attack. After an American surgical strike against Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, any criticism of India for a cross-border action would have seemed hypocritical," Blank said.

"The outcome, limited Indian strike, limited Pakistani response, was probably as good as could have been desired. A stronger Indian strike, or a Pakistani escalation into full warfare, would not have served either nation's interest," he said.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/army...arefully-measured-american-think-tank-1468624
 

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How to tackle Pakistan? Surgical strikes and the future of Indian military responses

First came the cross-border raid by the Indian Army’s Special Forces in Myanmar in June 2015. The raid targeted the Northeastern insurgent group NSCN-Khaplang’s training camps, to avenge the insurgent group’s ambush of the Indian Army’s convoy a few weeks earlier that killed 18 soldiers.

And now comes last week’s cross-LoC raid dubbed ‘surgical strikes’ by the Indian Army’s Ghatak commandos on the night of 28 September. The raid targeted terrorist launch pads across the LoC in northern Kashmir in Kel, Shardi, Bhimber and Lipa sectors in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir — launch pads that have, over the years, figured prominently in the intercepts of the intelligence agencies as ones facilitating infiltration.


There is no clarity on how the raid exactly happened — despite a series of ‘briefings’ from the army to those journalists who are close to the government; but it is clear that the raid has caused extensive damage to the terrorist launch pads, killed more than 40 terrorists and at least two soldiers of the Pakistan Army. This is the beginning of a new offensive posture from India.



Earlier too, the Indian Army had undertaken many cross-LoC and cross-border raids in the pursuit of the militants. On the eastern borders, these raids mostly took with the consent of the neighbouring States, while on western borders they were covert operations. But one thing was common: There was little public acknowledgement of these raids from India or the Indian Army, to maintain ‘plausible deniability’.

This strategy had its advantage and the disadvantage.

The advantage was that by sanctioning such a raid to target the militants, the army was able to keep the morale high of its rank and file. It showed that the army would not take the continued targeting of its officers and jawans by terrorists lying down.

However, the disadvantage was that by maintaining deniability, the government couldn’t satisfy the citizenry, which after repeated terrorist attacks, looked out for ‘retributive justice.’ And that invited the tag of India being a ‘soft state’. The only time that these strikes were publicly acknowledged by the army was during the beheading of the Indian soldiers incident in January 2013. That acknowledgment too had come a few months after the operation was carried out.

So what is new this time?

Two things.

First, the public acknowledgment of the raid in a very pointed statement from the Director-General of the Military Operations of the army, at a joint briefing with the Ministry of External Affairs. This no-bars hold approach is significant for its signalling to Pakistan, its sponsors, the international community and most importantly, angry Indian citizens — who have had enough of Pakistan’s machinations. No wonder then that the American National Security Advisor Susan Rice called up her Indian counterpart Ajit Doval just before the raid, to convey that Washington would be with New Delhi to deal with the after-effects of the surgical strike. The public acknowledgment of the attack also shows that India is also testing Pakistan’s bluff on nuclear weapons and see how much the logic of ‘nuclear escalation’ can be stretched.

Second, the immense political capital spent in planning the raid: A response to the Uri attack of 18 September 18 that had angered Indians. Unlike earlier, when the army used to inform the political leadership about the planned cross-border/LoC operation, this time the initiative for such an operation came from political leadership that sought to direct the course of the operation.
Now that Pakistan has been scurrying for cover and looking for a response, will this mend Pakistani behaviour?

It looks unlikely.

It will take more than a cross-LoC surgical strike to make Pakistan withdraw its support to anti-India terrorist groups and cross-border terrorism. The government has already been considering other measures to corner Pakistan and isolate it diplomatically. Will this be the standard response of India to the future terrorist attacks coming from Pakistan?

It's hard to say.

Surgical strikes and cross-LoC raid look feasible options if the Pakistani Army and the ISI keeps up with its strategy of executing terrorist attacks in Indian states bordering Pakistan — like Uri and the previous attacks in Udhampur, Pathankot, Gurdaspur, and the rest. But if the ISI manages to repeat what it had done in Mumbai in 2008 or revives its campaign of causing serial blasts in major Indian cities, then this sort of response of surgical strikes may look harder to execute, particularly if the attack has its roots exclusively in Pakistani Punjab, and not PoK. Then the Indian government and the Indian Army will have to think of new ways to militarily respond to Pakistan.

There is no clarity on how the raid exactly happened — despite a series of ‘briefings’ from the army to those journalists who are close to the government

This was exactly the sort of dilemma with which the government of former prime minister Manmohan Singh grappled in the aftermath of the 2008 Mumbai attacks when a cross-LoC raid looked like militarily the least punitive response against Pakistan.

In the coming days, Pakistani generals will certainly be rethinking their terrorism strategy against India. Expect more terrorist attacks on Indian soil as the ISI tries to reclaim lost ground. India too will need to re-evaluate its military options to keep up with the Pakistani strategy.
http://www.firstpost.com/india/how-...ure-of-indian-military-responses-3030968.html
 

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Looks like Susan Rice called Doval after receiving Intel about the operation being carried out.
Doval rang her up to inform her immediately after the strike. I don't think she would have got intel from her sources so soon after the strike.

But here's another version in post #1831 above....

American National Security Advisor Susan Rice called up her Indian counterpart Ajit Doval just before the raid, to convey that Washington would be with New Delhi to deal with the after-effects of the surgical strike.
So what's the truth? Did we inform the US before the strike? Some reports suggest that a couple of days before the strike, Susan Rice did ring up Doval but only in connection with the Uri incident.

Confusion galore! :confused1:
 
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Russia supports surgical strikes against Pakistan: India mustn't neglect old friends
Amidst news of Russian soldiers landing in Pakistan for their first military exercise, there was welcome news for India when Moscow’s envoy in New Delhi extended unstinted support for last Thursday’s surgical strikes across the Line of Control.

Speaking to CNN-News18, Russian Ambassador to India Alexander M Kadakin said that the Russian Federation was the only country to say in plain words that terrorists come from Pakistan. What should be music to Indian ears is the ambassador’s categorical stand that India had been wronged and it was justified to take retaliatory action. “The greatest human rights violations take place when terrorists attack military installations and attack peaceful civilians in India. We welcome the surgical strike. Every country has right to defend itself,” he said.

Assuring India that it does not need to worry about Russia-Pakistan joint military exercise, he pointed out that the exercises didn't take place in the "Pakistan-occupied Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir".

The Russian envoy further said that “India should not be concerned about military exercises between Russia and Pakistan because the theme of the exercise is anti-terror fighting. It's in India’s interests that we teach the Pakistani Army not to use itself for terror attacks against India. And the exercise was not held in any sensitive or problematic territories like the Pakistan-occupied Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir”.
The announcement of Russia-Pakistan military exercise evoked concern in India and there were fears that New Delhi’s growing closeness to Washington had led Moscow to take such a decision. However, the Russians have for weeks tried to dispel an impression that Moscow was getting closer to Islamabad. Russia named Pakistan as the home of terror groups and allayed concerns in New Delhi’s foreign policy establishment when the ambassador stated that the small-scale military exercise was not held in, what he called "Pakistan-occupied Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir".

Moscow daily Pravda published a commentary that stated that the exercises were “not an index of friendly relations”, but these were the first drills ever to be held with Pakistan. Before that, Russia abstained from military-political contact with Pakistan country, mainly because of very friendly relations with India in the military-political sphere and uncompromising opposition between India and Pakistan, Sergey Lunev, professor at the Oriental Studies Department of the Moscow State Institute of International Relations told Pravda.
The Modi-Putin meeting

Russia’s affirmation of faith in the relationship with India and its categorical stance on Pakistani support to terrorism must be used by Prime Minister Narendra Modi to reach out to Russian president Vladimir Putin when he visits India in the next fortnight. On the sidelines of the Brics Summit in Goa, Modi and Putin will hold an India-Russia Summit. Unlike his numerous meetings with the US president Barack Obama, the Indian prime minister has only met Putin twice apart from meetings at international conferences.

Growing India-US relations seemed to push India’s old and dependable partner Russia to the background, and the decision to upgrade ties with US to a strategic partnership level, and plans to sign the logistics agreement with Washington have naturally caused concern in Moscow.

Modi will use the October meeting with Putin in Goa to put their relations in perspective.

Russia remains India’s main partner for military technical cooperation with Russia accounting for 40 percent of India's weapon imports. Additionally, the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project is expected to progress smoothly. In September, the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific, Technical and Cultural Cooperation (IRIGC-TEC) met in New Delhi to review the status of the ongoing bilateral projects and further broaden strategic cooperation in the critical areas of trade and commerce, energy, space and high technology.
At the end of the IRIGC meeting it was agreed to launch an industry-level Working Group to fuel energy cooperation, and collaboration in pharmaceuticals under the Russian “Pharma 2020” programme and an impetus on enhanced connectivity.

In fact, Home Minister Rajnath Singh’s Russia visit last month would have seen the two countries sign agreements through which Moscow will share real time intelligence on terrorism and cyber security. Postponed due to the Uri attack, this agreement will significantly enhance cooperation between the two in such a critical area.

Next year will mark 70 years since the two countries established diplomatic relations. As India deepens ties with the US it would be essential not to take an all-weather friend for granted. The Modi government must use multilateralism to strengthen ties with Russia and seriously look at its proposal for a Russia-India-China Forum that Moscow is keen to build.

An old and trusted ally should not be ignored while a new partnership is being forged with the US.
http://www.firstpost.com/india/russ...dia-must-not-neglect-old-friends-3033038.html
 

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Congi kutta, quoting some paki newspaper. Can you imagine this happening anywhere else in the world. A politician quoting enemy newspaper in a war like situation just to discredit the govt. Will he be able to continue his political career? Similarly, you wont see any american journalist lauded by osama coming on TV to preach everyday. But, it happens only here. shameless,these people and us, we both are.





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Congressi Dogs were doing it for last 70 years ... It was we who could not see through it and continued to vote them to power years after years... Nehru was so insecure of army he was about to abolish the Army and what would have happened in 62 we all now...
 

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160+ kms seems to be too high.....any source..

And India has also made a RFI about integrating Meteor on their Sukhoi MKI fleet
Meteor can achieve greater range than other solid/liquid fueled missiles due to its ramjet propulsion.
 

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Doval rang her up to inform her immediately after the strike. I don't think she would have got intel from her sources so soon after the strike.

But here's another version in post #1831 above....



So what's the truth? Did we inform the US before the strike? Some reports suggest that a couple of days before the strike, Susan Rice did ring up Doval but only in connection with the Uri incident.

Confusion galore! :confused1:

Even during Kargil war India did open a communication with china briefing china on Indian intentions.. Nations do that!

So yes..India wouldnt have disclosed any operational information to US but would have secured their support in case of an "incident".
 

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NEW DELHI: India's armed forces+ have told the political executive that only a sustained six-month campaign will seriously damage the terror infrastructure in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

Top military officers, speaking off record, told ET that after India went public with itssurgical strikes+ across theLine of Control (LoC) last week, the armed forces brass had told the government that off and on strikes will not damage terrorists' capabilities, and a medium-term plan is needed.

Armed forces' senior-most strategists have also told the government that the country should be prepared for repercussions in Kashmir — there was a terrorist attack on a Border Security Force-Army camp in Baramulla+ on Sunday — as well as terrorist attacks elsewhere.

Good opportunity for action


Armed forces' strategists also said a determined campaign is needed to target launch pads for such attacks.

A top army officer said: "We have to look at a sustained campaign. The terror network is on the back foot, but to really achieve something, we have to look at a medium-term plan, a six-month campaign. A one-off event will not deter them."

India's generals are of the view that Pakistan-based and sponsored terror handlers will attempt to push in more terrorists in the coming weeks to seek 'revenge' for India's surgical strikes.




Therefore, more terrorist launch pads are likely to come up in PoK. These need to be neutralised, India's military brass feels. Armed forces' top officers have also told the government that the declared strike across LoC means India will have to up its game on Kashmir security, both beefing up the manning of the border as well as smarter political approaches in the Valley that include "credible healing touches".

The brass feels demoralisation among groups in the Valley that help terrorists presents a good opportunity for further action. "We have the opportunity right now. Everyone is geared up and we have a much stronger hold on LoC than the other side.

This is the time to make an actual difference that will deter cross-border terror support," another top army officer said. India's military and intelligence assessment is that PoK hosts over 40 terror training camps.
These are located deep inside PoK. There are also around 50 launch pads, hosting more than 200 terrorists, close to LoC on the PoK side. These sites are protected by the Pakistan Army.
 

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