India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

[Bhadra]

as far as canals are concerned,yes it's a big problem but i think we have previous experience in this case like 65 war.maximum concentration is what we want.nasr will be the last weapon against advancing indian ibgs.8000 to 9000 are not enough soldiers even if they use artillery and tanks.i told you before that pakistan has other options as well.pakistan realized in 65 war that fighting with indian army is useless and it will cause more damage to our soldiers than yours so basically we have created ways to counter indian thrust.nasr is the last option.there are other options like cruise missile attack,paf itself attacking indian army,chemical weapons,UAV(pakistan already have large number of armed drones),attack helicopters.during any indian thrust,our job is to keep our soldiers away from your ibgs.only in this way,we can save our men and do better job.nobody really wants to stop indian thrust.trick is we want you to attack us and advance.

critical part in any conflict is supply lines.indian armed forces can't survive without supply lines.i believe pakistan has created a strategy in which it try to cut off your supply from your back,providing room to counter from the front and engage from behind as well.we also have brain so i believe there is some kind of doctrine but it's not public.

# India and Pakistan having reached declared and overt nuclear capabilities in 1998 were expected to have obtained parity, a goal Pakistan cherished since 1947 when a Few Muslims of the subcontinent created an Islamic state for themselves.

# Having reached parity, Pakistan was expected to get over their existential dilemma, wide gaps in conventional military asymmetry and be assured of their safety leading to a permanent regime of peace and stability.

# However, It was not to be so. Pakistani aims and efforts to inflict thousand cuts on India through Islamic Terrorism and asymmetric warfare got a fillip under Nuclear regime which became a shield to Pakistan for their attacks on India rather than obtain peace regime. There was Kargil, Bombay Bombing and attack of Indian Parliament under nuclear stability. More than 70 terrorist attacks were carried out by Pakistan.

# When India announced their intentions of CSD, Pakistan had nothing but to bring nuclear threat to counter it. Pakistan has scaled down the nuclear regime to TNW. The idea that Nuclear capability is a licence to terrorist attacks as also stop Indian Forces at conventional and unconventional levels. That has also also failed post Balakot..

# Indian CSD is a measure to create a deterrence regime under which Pakistan is not able to use nuclear card as a blanket licence for attacks on India.

# Pakistani and Indian J&K and Punjab are not anywhere suited for use of TNW because of density urban conglomeration of population in respective areas.

# The fallout of any nuclear adventure by Pakistan will prove devastating due to water drainage system devastating Pakistan. Indians dams on five rivers flowing into Pakistan have sufficient capacity to take radioactivity all over Pakistani heart and devastate Pakistan for ever.

# India may never attack in Cholistan and Pakistan TNW will remain in stores. Eight IBGs in J&K and Punjab will unhinge Pakistani Army and bring them to battles favourable to India.

# Can Pakistan take the moral responsibility for first nuclear strike and thereby open their asses to US and Western nuclear interventions ? The USA will be very happy to de-nuclearise and defang Pakistan.

# Can Pakistan withstand Indian nuclear retaliations? Pakistan will be bombed back to Mohammad's times.

Nasar is a big failure and no Nasar can stop Indian IBGs.

Pakistan is unwittingly working for a situation under which the nuclear regime between India and Pakistan fails and Pakistan falls down to a pre - 1998 position.

 

[Anand Bimraj]

I remember reading the article and laughing from where this BS was copied. Was written by some American. The false flagger here is taking this article as an opportunity to sow doubts in minds of Indians. I don't understand why these are ashamed to show their true flags. Ashamed of their country maybe.

After the completion of nuclear program utilizing strategy of sheltered pursuit, Pakistan successfully demonstrated its nuclear delivering capability by testing & deploying Short Range Ballistic Missiles (SRBM) and raising dedicated Squadrons for strategic strike back in late 90s. It enabled Pakistan to strike counter force assets of Indian armed forces with nuclear payload. This served as deadly blow to Indian strategy which was focused on accumulation of huge chunk of armored force close to border for giving decisive challenge to Pakistan by out numbering & out gunning its defensive measure. Deployment of Strategic WMDs by Pakistan nullified this tactic as such large force concentration is appealing target for any strategic weapon. To re shift the balance in their favor, the Indian strategists came up with a new solution which was named as Cold Start Doctrine (CSD). Though officially this doctrine existence is not acknowledged but there are enough indications which points out that this strategy is not a random myth but a well-organized & well executed pro-active war strategy. Cold Start Doctrine is based upon concept of small and rapid strikes on soft targets with in Pakistan territory without overcoming the Nuclear Threshold limit. This strategy enjoys benefit due to natural lack of strategic depth on Pakistan side, particularly, on Southern Punjab & Northern Sindh sectors. With Mountain regions of Suleiman on Western side, desert on Eastern side, this region serves as soft belly of Pakistan that can literally split Pakistan into two half if it fell in hands hostile invading force. This region joins Pakistan via water channel of Indus River, road & railway network thus playing a key strategic role in terms of land & sea based connectivity.

Its worthy to point out that Cold Start is strictly based upon mechanized invasion force. For rapid movements it’s crucial that invading forces must not face any credible resistance from defending forces plus the terrain should decisively support the mission & objective. Kashmir being a mountainous region serves as natural protection layer in between both states making movement of large forces under the dynamics of CSD impossible. Boggy Plains of North & Central Punjab might appear an appealing location but it is heavily defended by Pakistan army corps which thanks to robust network of railway & roads can rapidly move & deploy in very short interval of time. This capability was successfully demonstrated during 2002 Military Stand-off when Pakistan gave soft tactical defeat to Indian armed forces even before ignition of any conflict. Presence of river-canal systems, urban areas make Punjab good in ambush defensive tactics particularly against tanks in the form of ATGM fortifications. These factors make application of CSD in Punjab region way risky in terms of losses related to time, life & equipment. South & Lower Sindh is covered with vast Marshy lands through which movement of heavy armor is not a possibility. This leaves only Desert terrains shared by Pakistan & India in the form of Great Thar desert (Punjab/Sindh & Rajasthan). In deserts, terrain is neither well defined nor permanent, sand movement keeps on shifting space so mass fortification is not possible. Vastness of desert offers flexibility in battle field tactics including flanking movements hence making it attractive target for any armored invasion. Though Pakistan have deployed its armored & mechanized armored groups close by but still it does not address the core issues by posing questions related to their rapid mobility & target acquisition in case of CSD inspired invasion.

India kept cold start doctrine in darkness, known to only close circles and started to prepare accordingly by pouring huge amount of funds. This included the purchase of relevant military hardware, establishment of robust C4ISR assets (Command for Intelligence Surveillance, Reconnaissance), improved training standards and adhering of CSD linked tactics in Corps deployed in Rajasthan. Currently India’s South Western Command (Corp I & X) and Southern Command (Corps XII & XXI) are affiliated directly or directly with CSD. Pakistan first tried to neutralize this threat by exploiting it at diplomatic level to address the threats to peace and ignition of arms race in long terms but Indian denial on existence of such doctrine & counter diplomacy rendered such attempts use less. This was the time Pakistan came up with unique solution to this unique problem.


Map shows rough deployment & possible movement as per CSD of corps of India & Pakistan near their international border. Yellow Stars show possible estimated location of deployment of TNW as response to CSD.

Due to Economic constraints and limited sources to buy military armaments, Pakistan was very short of options. By closely observing the past NATO doctrine in European theater against Soviet ground invasion as well as domestic technological domain, Pakistan re introduced Tactical Nuclear Weapons (TNW) in battle grounds as a counter tool verses CSD. NASRwas specifically developed as Indian Cold Start Killer. NASR is primarily a Quasi Ballistic Missile which is carried by Multi Tube TEL vehicle (Tactical Erector Launcher). It can carry four missiles each armed with sub kilo ton miniaturized nuclear warheads. Missile as per official claims have max range of 60km, utilizes Inertial Navigation System & Global Positioning System (INS/GPS), powered by Solid Fueled Propulsion with thrust vectoring (TV) nozzles. The Development & deployment (D&D) of NASR Battle Field Nuclear Missile system gave birth to Pakistan’s own Full Spectrum Deterrence Doctrine (FSD)which relied on concept that any major armored invasion on Pakistani soil can be countered by NASR as unlike any armored force which is prone to air strikes and face certain time limitations related to strategic mobility , NASR battery is much easier to keep in stealth, can be moved more rapidly, have shoot and scoot capability which increase its survivability as well as carry enough destructive power to halt any ground invasion dead on its tracks.

This move of TNW was met with hue and cry at international level. For India it was matter of serious concern as TNW put its billions of dollar expenditure at stake. India took it as ‘’Pakistan can now do whatever it want without worrying about any serious threat on Eastern border’’. Pakistan played its shot very well in geo strategic grounds, now ball was in Indian court and it did play the return shot.

Indian answer to Pakistan FSD can be split into two major types. One is related to soft power projection other is about hard counter measures. Times when Pakistan introduced TNW, Pakistan was facing severe challenge from foreign funded local insurgency. This era of terror domination put question mark on Pakistan future uniquely as Nuclear State. This weakness of Pakistan was exploited by India which raised questions on security of Pakistan nuclear program. Both at domestic & international level, Indian sponsored journalists made reports, conducted surveys & wrote articles about the possibility of falling TNW of Pakistan in hands of terrorists and its possible outcome to Global peace in case of usage by rogue elements. Using justification that Pakistan considers India as its arch rival, India showed itself at spot that it faces most brutal threat in case of security breach of any random TNW. This perception & propagation of this perception awarded India with multidimensional favors at all levels at Diplomatic, Strategic & Social scale. In long terms it helped to pursue certain weapon systems. It also put crushing pressure on Pakistan establishment of abandon TNW program in favor of economic support. United States, unsatisfied with Pakistan role in Global War on terror also backed this pressure wave to generate more action from Pak army to serve American interests in Afghanistan. Lobbies were created in International forums which without even knowing the basics of core issue used to raise fingers at Pakistan TNW program. Foreign funded, home grown NGO network & private media houses of State also facilitated similar ideas. As a whole it put significant load on top elite of armed forces to reconsider their policies since it was compromising Pakistan interests at certain level and was creating unnecessary hurdles related to fields of economics, energy generation, foreign diplomacy and public relations. However Pakistan responded by enhancing the security measures & improving the Command & Control (C&C) system of Strategic assets.

The core concept behind development of NASR is to forecast deterrence on Indian army avoiding ignition of any war like activity no matter what are the conditions.This security dilemma pushed Indian policy & plan makers to basics to technologically overcome this new form of threat. Indian area of work on hard counter solutions can be split into three portions. First is related to advance reconnaissance via Ground based radars, SAT Recon, UAVs for pin pointing locations of deployment of NASR batteries with in Pakistan territory. These batteries once detected can be tracked and neutralized by standoff armaments thus securing the ‘’path’’ of invading armored columns. Most notable component is ground strike fleet of Indian air force which is upgraded to deliver guided payload with precision at long ranges. In near future, integration of Rafale in IAF is likely to give big boast to this domain as it introduce advance ECM/EW along-side state of art air to ground armaments. Second portion is linked with ‘’Interception’’ assuming that if Missile is launched then it could be tracked & shot down before reaching the target. Though Indian possess Tunguska SPAAG & mobile air defense systems in the form of SA8 Osa, SA6 Buk & Akash SAM system but none of them has practical capability to intercept NASR at its terminal phase.. To full fill that void Indian Army has ordered five regiments of MR-SAM (Barak 8), which consists of about 40 launchers and 200 missiles for 2.5 billion $. MR-SAM can intercept helis, UAVs, air crafts & cruise missiles at long altitude. What is the real purpose of this Indo-Israel deal with referance of CSD Theater is still a question. But there are visible attempts by Indian armed forces in this area along-side Israel which is globally known for developing systems which can intercept rockets & short range missiles. Final portion is about ‘’survivability’’. It hypothetically bonds with situation that NASR has been used on Indian ground battle group and it must be resistant enough to survive such attack. Though info related to NASR technical data like its warhead size, its type, trajectory path, launch angles, max speed, RCS, radiation signature etc are classified however it’s an educated guess that it relies on mixture of its blast force & intense radiation to compromise its enemy existence. Ever since the introduction of NASR, India is focused on maturing its NBC protection levels. Recently military drills were conducted in simulated NBC (Nuclear-Biological-Chemical) environment (Shatrujeet Drills) and it saw participation of military gear related to CBRN (Chemical-Biological-Radiological-Nuclear) protection. Though it’s not known how preservative such drills will be in actual situation but it does compromises the vital feature of NASR to serious extent, The Deterrence. By undergoing these ‘’hard measures’’ Indian army is gaining confidence that it has found the way which can serve as solution to problem of TNW. Rather than abandoning cold start, recent updating in war strategy signifies the importance of progressive counters from Pakistan side to keep its mark ahead.


A: Indian army T90 & BMP2 invading columns.
B: Indian BMP2 engage target at night.
C: Pinaka MLRS barrage which is of same range as NASR
D: CBRN detection units during drills.
E: Indian troops in NBC suits spray their BMP2 with chemicals to wash off radioactive material.

Nonetheless, TNW represent Pakistan capabilities in the discipline of Weapon science & war strategy, it does pose some serious risks & out comes. Firstly, TNW compromises the ‘’gap’’ between Conventional war & Nuclear war. According to Indian Nuclear Doctrine, India will respond with Strategic WMDs in case if any WMD is used against them anywhere in World. As per theory, using NASR in first strike will give justification to India for full fledge nuclear retaliation. Recent reports suggests, India is very likely to strike Pakistan entire nuclear capability with nuclear weapons for ironing out any WMD related threat to its main land. If India fails to do so then Pakistan will respond in similar brutal fashion using its 2nd strike assets creating an apocalypse of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) for South Asia. Greatest risk of TNWs usage can thus be formulated as the ignition plug for nuclear war.

The dynamics of TNW use are indeed compromising which pose the question that is there any one on one relevant replacement of this system? Keeping International relation, diplomatic grounds and foreign agreements in sight, TNW use will instantly bring intense backlash from rest of Globe compromising key strategic interests of Pakistan. It will instantly isolate Pakistan at Global level creating severe challenges to Pakistan security in short terms generally and long terms specifically. To avoid that, an equally capable armament is required which can do the job without qualifying in category of WMD. An interesting option to consider is warhead or guided bomb Sensor Fused Anti-tank Cluster Munitions. These cluster munitions are actually anti-tank bombs coupled with a joint tracking system which allows them to strike top of moving target at pin point accuracy. As top of turret is weak spot of a Tank, so these bomblets give assured results. United States developed similar smart weapon first time by using AGM 154 JSOW (Joint Stand Off Weapon) as carrier platform. A similar air to ground munitions is CBU-97/105 unguided sensor fused cluster bomblets. What Pakistan needs as final product is union of both ASM 154 & CBU 97. These munitions can be packed in air to ground bombs and cruise missile. GIDS in Pakistan has developed cluster munitions packed in air to ground bomb called Hijara for anti-armor role and Pakistan does have advance delivery platforms from multiple sources in the form of Ra’ad I&II (Air to Ground Strike) and Babur I&II (Ground to Ground strike). Though these bomb-lets are neither sensor fused nor carry guidance system, there is room for sufficient upgrade to introduce independent search & track system in each bomb-let. By doing so, Pakistan will be able to deploy smart anti-tank cluster munitions through Babur LACM or Ra’ad ALCM. This new weapon system, could strike any armored column at stand-off distance by engaging from top, independently picking each target and rendering entire hostile force useless.


A: AGM 154 SOW dropping bomblets.
B: CBU 97
C: GIDS Hijara anti armor bomb.


From start, Tactical nuclear weapons were supposed to serve as stop gap measure against raging Indian aggression for time being. Availability of time, tech & funds, has granted Pakistan several options to overcome CSD based threats in general terms. Once implemented, it will put TNWs in shadows as Pakistan will be able to counter conventional threats with conventional force. Meanwhile, according to knowledgeable sources Pakistan is ready to counter the Cold Start by developing its own New Concept of War Fighting (NCWF). The country has addressed both modes, conventional and nuclear in the NCWF. Since the Cold Start was more in cognitive domain and aimed at psychologically putting pressure on the Pakistani leadership, the NCWF has blunted it in both physical and psychological domains and taken the sting out of it. The exact salient features and scale of implementation is yet to be known, but Pakistan will keep NCWF in dark for time being to earn psychological advantage. It’s very safe to assume that Pakistan will keep on developing its TNW assets, however priorities related to its usage might change. In coming half decade Pakistan is looking for serious boast in its anti-armor capability. The induction of more 3+ Generation tanks in the form of Al Khalid I/II, Al Haider MBTs, acquisition of advance Gunships like AH1Z & T129b, MALE UCAVs & ground vehicles with F&F ATGM payloads are part of scheduled plans. Nonetheless, threat level will increase too across the Eastern border asIndia will update its armored corps with 10 new regiments of Advance T90MSreplacing old T72 Ajeya, AH64E Gunships, Avenger UCAV& K9 SPAalongside advance air defense systems. These purchases virtually explain the arms race going on in between India & Pakistan in lieu of doctrines like CSD, FSD & now NCWF. Being defensive, Pakistan will enjoy certain edge over India but it must be kept in mind that Cold Start Doctrine is not the only threat Pakistan is facing or will be facing in future. Indian army has raised specialized Mountain strike corps and has upgraded its infantry gadgetry alongside air borne operations. New dimensions of warfare are introduced as India is struggling to open a secondary hot front in Pakistan Western border, dividing the focus & force. Cold start in long terms may act as diversion to implement any new surprise strategy. For Pakistan it will remain state of continuous challenge and there will be need of continuous work on policy making, arms acquisitions and improvement of secondary sources to address all such Issues. For time being Pakistan is comparatively doing a fine job considering certain limitations, however with time it will become crucial to fill up all voids in terms of capability to overcome future threat environment.

 

[Bhadra]

I've long believed that all the attack helicopters and gunships should be transferred to Army Aviation for CAS + they should be given a few dedicated squadrons of Armed Hawks for CAS.

The Air Force could then focus on its priority roles.

This turf warfare or Empire creation mentality will cease if we make up IAF upto 45 Squadron strength and satisfy their sense of being large Empire.

Otherwise attacks hepters are part of ground forces all over the world. Indian Army has taken a tactical position of taking advantage of their being a "Force in Being"... Kabhi to denge.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

This served as deadly blow to Indian strategy which was focused on accumulation of huge chunk of armored force close to border for giving decisive challenge to Pakistan by out numbering & out gunning its defensive measure.

And that will attract a nuclear retaliation on Pakistan itself. What an intelligent country.

And wait, India can open wars on multiple fronts with IBGs. Let's see how many times you will bomb yourself.

These purchases virtually explain the arms race going on in between India & Pakistan in lieu of doctrines like CSD, FSD & now NCWF.

There is a much bigger purchase & manufacture program in India which suggests that there is no race.

India is building up capabilities for various fronts, not dedicated to one country, unlike Pakistan.

 

[Bhadra]

After the completion of nuclear program utilizing strategy of sheltered pursuit, Pakistan successfully demonstrated its nuclear delivering capability by testing & deploying Short Range Ballistic Missiles (SRBM) and raising dedicated Squadrons for strategic strike back in late 90s. It enabled Pakistan to strike counter force assets of Indian armed forces with nuclear payload. This served as deadly blow to Indian strategy which was focused on accumulation of huge chunk of armored force close to border for giving decisive challenge to Pakistan by out numbering & out gunning its defensive measure. Deployment of Strategic WMDs by Pakistan nullified this tactic as such large force concentration is appealing target for any strategic weapon. To re shift the balance in their favor, the Indian strategists came up with a new solution which was named as Cold Start Doctrine (CSD). Though officially this doctrine existence is not acknowledged but there are enough indications which points out that this strategy is not a random myth but a well-organized & well executed pro-active war strategy. Cold Start Doctrine is based upon concept of small and rapid strikes on soft targets with in Pakistan territory without overcoming the Nuclear Threshold limit. This strategy enjoys benefit due to natural lack of strategic depth on Pakistan side, particularly, on Southern Punjab & Northern Sindh sectors. With Mountain regions of Suleiman on Western side, desert on Eastern side, this region serves as soft belly of Pakistan that can literally split Pakistan into two half if it fell in hands hostile invading force. This region joins Pakistan via water channel of Indus River, road & railway network thus playing a key strategic role in terms of land & sea based connectivity.

Its worthy to point out that Cold Start is strictly based upon mechanized invasion force. For rapid movements it’s crucial that invading forces must not face any credible resistance from defending forces plus the terrain should decisively support the mission & objective. Kashmir being a mountainous region serves as natural protection layer in between both states making movement of large forces under the dynamics of CSD impossible. Boggy Plains of North & Central Punjab might appear an appealing location but it is heavily defended by Pakistan army corps which thanks to robust network of railway & roads can rapidly move & deploy in very short interval of time. This capability was successfully demonstrated during 2002 Military Stand-off when Pakistan gave soft tactical defeat to Indian armed forces even before ignition of any conflict. Presence of river-canal systems, urban areas make Punjab good in ambush defensive tactics particularly against tanks in the form of ATGM fortifications. These factors make application of CSD in Punjab region way risky in terms of losses related to time, life & equipment. South & Lower Sindh is covered with vast Marshy lands through which movement of heavy armor is not a possibility. This leaves only Desert terrains shared by Pakistan & India in the form of Great Thar desert (Punjab/Sindh & Rajasthan). In deserts, terrain is neither well defined nor permanent, sand movement keeps on shifting space so mass fortification is not possible. Vastness of desert offers flexibility in battle field tactics including flanking movements hence making it attractive target for any armored invasion. Though Pakistan have deployed its armored & mechanized armored groups close by but still it does not address the core issues by posing questions related to their rapid mobility & target acquisition in case of CSD inspired invasion.

India kept cold start doctrine in darkness, known to only close circles and started to prepare accordingly by pouring huge amount of funds. This included the purchase of relevant military hardware, establishment of robust C4ISR assets (Command for Intelligence Surveillance, Reconnaissance), improved training standards and adhering of CSD linked tactics in Corps deployed in Rajasthan. Currently India’s South Western Command (Corp I & X) and Southern Command (Corps XII & XXI) are affiliated directly or directly with CSD. Pakistan first tried to neutralize this threat by exploiting it at diplomatic level to address the threats to peace and ignition of arms race in long terms but Indian denial on existence of such doctrine & counter diplomacy rendered such attempts use less. This was the time Pakistan came up with unique solution to this unique problem.


Map shows rough deployment & possible movement as per CSD of corps of India & Pakistan near their international border. Yellow Stars show possible estimated location of deployment of TNW as response to CSD.

Due to Economic constraints and limited sources to buy military armaments, Pakistan was very short of options. By closely observing the past NATO doctrine in European theater against Soviet ground invasion as well as domestic technological domain, Pakistan re introduced Tactical Nuclear Weapons (TNW) in battle grounds as a counter tool verses CSD. NASRwas specifically developed as Indian Cold Start Killer. NASR is primarily a Quasi Ballistic Missile which is carried by Multi Tube TEL vehicle (Tactical Erector Launcher). It can carry four missiles each armed with sub kilo ton miniaturized nuclear warheads. Missile as per official claims have max range of 60km, utilizes Inertial Navigation System & Global Positioning System (INS/GPS), powered by Solid Fueled Propulsion with thrust vectoring (TV) nozzles. The Development & deployment (D&D) of NASR Battle Field Nuclear Missile system gave birth to Pakistan’s own Full Spectrum Deterrence Doctrine (FSD)which relied on concept that any major armored invasion on Pakistani soil can be countered by NASR as unlike any armored force which is prone to air strikes and face certain time limitations related to strategic mobility , NASR battery is much easier to keep in stealth, can be moved more rapidly, have shoot and scoot capability which increase its survivability as well as carry enough destructive power to halt any ground invasion dead on its tracks.

This move of TNW was met with hue and cry at international level. For India it was matter of serious concern as TNW put its billions of dollar expenditure at stake. India took it as ‘’Pakistan can now do whatever it want without worrying about any serious threat on Eastern border’’. Pakistan played its shot very well in geo strategic grounds, now ball was in Indian court and it did play the return shot.

Indian answer to Pakistan FSD can be split into two major types. One is related to soft power projection other is about hard counter measures. Times when Pakistan introduced TNW, Pakistan was facing severe challenge from foreign funded local insurgency. This era of terror domination put question mark on Pakistan future uniquely as Nuclear State. This weakness of Pakistan was exploited by India which raised questions on security of Pakistan nuclear program. Both at domestic & international level, Indian sponsored journalists made reports, conducted surveys & wrote articles about the possibility of falling TNW of Pakistan in hands of terrorists and its possible outcome to Global peace in case of usage by rogue elements. Using justification that Pakistan considers India as its arch rival, India showed itself at spot that it faces most brutal threat in case of security breach of any random TNW. This perception & propagation of this perception awarded India with multidimensional favors at all levels at Diplomatic, Strategic & Social scale. In long terms it helped to pursue certain weapon systems. It also put crushing pressure on Pakistan establishment of abandon TNW program in favor of economic support. United States, unsatisfied with Pakistan role in Global War on terror also backed this pressure wave to generate more action from Pak army to serve American interests in Afghanistan. Lobbies were created in International forums which without even knowing the basics of core issue used to raise fingers at Pakistan TNW program. Foreign funded, home grown NGO network & private media houses of State also facilitated similar ideas. As a whole it put significant load on top elite of armed forces to reconsider their policies since it was compromising Pakistan interests at certain level and was creating unnecessary hurdles related to fields of economics, energy generation, foreign diplomacy and public relations. However Pakistan responded by enhancing the security measures & improving the Command & Control (C&C) system of Strategic assets.

The core concept behind development of NASR is to forecast deterrence on Indian army avoiding ignition of any war like activity no matter what are the conditions.This security dilemma pushed Indian policy & plan makers to basics to technologically overcome this new form of threat. Indian area of work on hard counter solutions can be split into three portions. First is related to advance reconnaissance via Ground based radars, SAT Recon, UAVs for pin pointing locations of deployment of NASR batteries with in Pakistan territory. These batteries once detected can be tracked and neutralized by standoff armaments thus securing the ‘’path’’ of invading armored columns. Most notable component is ground strike fleet of Indian air force which is upgraded to deliver guided payload with precision at long ranges. In near future, integration of Rafale in IAF is likely to give big boast to this domain as it introduce advance ECM/EW along-side state of art air to ground armaments. Second portion is linked with ‘’Interception’’ assuming that if Missile is launched then it could be tracked & shot down before reaching the target. Though Indian possess Tunguska SPAAG & mobile air defense systems in the form of SA8 Osa, SA6 Buk & Akash SAM system but none of them has practical capability to intercept NASR at its terminal phase.. To full fill that void Indian Army has ordered five regiments of MR-SAM (Barak 8), which consists of about 40 launchers and 200 missiles for 2.5 billion $. MR-SAM can intercept helis, UAVs, air crafts & cruise missiles at long altitude. What is the real purpose of this Indo-Israel deal with referance of CSD Theater is still a question. But there are visible attempts by Indian armed forces in this area along-side Israel which is globally known for developing systems which can intercept rockets & short range missiles. Final portion is about ‘’survivability’’. It hypothetically bonds with situation that NASR has been used on Indian ground battle group and it must be resistant enough to survive such attack. Though info related to NASR technical data like its warhead size, its type, trajectory path, launch angles, max speed, RCS, radiation signature etc are classified however it’s an educated guess that it relies on mixture of its blast force & intense radiation to compromise its enemy existence. Ever since the introduction of NASR, India is focused on maturing its NBC protection levels. Recently military drills were conducted in simulated NBC (Nuclear-Biological-Chemical) environment (Shatrujeet Drills) and it saw participation of military gear related to CBRN (Chemical-Biological-Radiological-Nuclear) protection. Though it’s not known how preservative such drills will be in actual situation but it does compromises the vital feature of NASR to serious extent, The Deterrence. By undergoing these ‘’hard measures’’ Indian army is gaining confidence that it has found the way which can serve as solution to problem of TNW. Rather than abandoning cold start, recent updating in war strategy signifies the importance of progressive counters from Pakistan side to keep its mark ahead.


A: Indian army T90 & BMP2 invading columns.
B: Indian BMP2 engage target at night.
C: Pinaka MLRS barrage which is of same range as NASR
D: CBRN detection units during drills.
E: Indian troops in NBC suits spray their BMP2 with chemicals to wash off radioactive material.

Nonetheless, TNW represent Pakistan capabilities in the discipline of Weapon science & war strategy, it does pose some serious risks & out comes. Firstly, TNW compromises the ‘’gap’’ between Conventional war & Nuclear war. According to Indian Nuclear Doctrine, India will respond with Strategic WMDs in case if any WMD is used against them anywhere in World. As per theory, using NASR in first strike will give justification to India for full fledge nuclear retaliation. Recent reports suggests, India is very likely to strike Pakistan entire nuclear capability with nuclear weapons for ironing out any WMD related threat to its main land. If India fails to do so then Pakistan will respond in similar brutal fashion using its 2nd strike assets creating an apocalypse of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) for South Asia. Greatest risk of TNWs usage can thus be formulated as the ignition plug for nuclear war.

The dynamics of TNW use are indeed compromising which pose the question that is there any one on one relevant replacement of this system? Keeping International relation, diplomatic grounds and foreign agreements in sight, TNW use will instantly bring intense backlash from rest of Globe compromising key strategic interests of Pakistan. It will instantly isolate Pakistan at Global level creating severe challenges to Pakistan security in short terms generally and long terms specifically. To avoid that, an equally capable armament is required which can do the job without qualifying in category of WMD. An interesting option to consider is warhead or guided bomb Sensor Fused Anti-tank Cluster Munitions. These cluster munitions are actually anti-tank bombs coupled with a joint tracking system which allows them to strike top of moving target at pin point accuracy. As top of turret is weak spot of a Tank, so these bomblets give assured results. United States developed similar smart weapon first time by using AGM 154 JSOW (Joint Stand Off Weapon) as carrier platform. A similar air to ground munitions is CBU-97/105 unguided sensor fused cluster bomblets. What Pakistan needs as final product is union of both ASM 154 & CBU 97. These munitions can be packed in air to ground bombs and cruise missile. GIDS in Pakistan has developed cluster munitions packed in air to ground bomb called Hijara for anti-armor role and Pakistan does have advance delivery platforms from multiple sources in the form of Ra’ad I&II (Air to Ground Strike) and Babur I&II (Ground to Ground strike). Though these bomb-lets are neither sensor fused nor carry guidance system, there is room for sufficient upgrade to introduce independent search & track system in each bomb-let. By doing so, Pakistan will be able to deploy smart anti-tank cluster munitions through Babur LACM or Ra’ad ALCM. This new weapon system, could strike any armored column at stand-off distance by engaging from top, independently picking each target and rendering entire hostile force useless.


A: AGM 154 SOW dropping bomblets.
B: CBU 97
C: GIDS Hijara anti armor bomb.


From start, Tactical nuclear weapons were supposed to serve as stop gap measure against raging Indian aggression for time being. Availability of time, tech & funds, has granted Pakistan several options to overcome CSD based threats in general terms. Once implemented, it will put TNWs in shadows as Pakistan will be able to counter conventional threats with conventional force. Meanwhile, according to knowledgeable sources Pakistan is ready to counter the Cold Start by developing its own New Concept of War Fighting (NCWF). The country has addressed both modes, conventional and nuclear in the NCWF. Since the Cold Start was more in cognitive domain and aimed at psychologically putting pressure on the Pakistani leadership, the NCWF has blunted it in both physical and psychological domains and taken the sting out of it. The exact salient features and scale of implementation is yet to be known, but Pakistan will keep NCWF in dark for time being to earn psychological advantage. It’s very safe to assume that Pakistan will keep on developing its TNW assets, however priorities related to its usage might change. In coming half decade Pakistan is looking for serious boast in its anti-armor capability. The induction of more 3+ Generation tanks in the form of Al Khalid I/II, Al Haider MBTs, acquisition of advance Gunships like AH1Z & T129b, MALE UCAVs & ground vehicles with F&F ATGM payloads are part of scheduled plans. Nonetheless, threat level will increase too across the Eastern border asIndia will update its armored corps with 10 new regiments of Advance T90MSreplacing old T72 Ajeya, AH64E Gunships, Avenger UCAV& K9 SPAalongside advance air defense systems. These purchases virtually explain the arms race going on in between India & Pakistan in lieu of doctrines like CSD, FSD & now NCWF. Being defensive, Pakistan will enjoy certain edge over India but it must be kept in mind that Cold Start Doctrine is not the only threat Pakistan is facing or will be facing in future. Indian army has raised specialized Mountain strike corps and has upgraded its infantry gadgetry alongside air borne operations. New dimensions of warfare are introduced as India is struggling to open a secondary hot front in Pakistan Western border, dividing the focus & force. Cold start in long terms may act as diversion to implement any new surprise strategy. For Pakistan it will remain state of continuous challenge and there will be need of continuous work on policy making, arms acquisitions and improvement of secondary sources to address all such Issues. For time being Pakistan is comparatively doing a fine job considering certain limitations, however with time it will become crucial to fill up all voids in terms of capability to overcome future threat environment.

We also know from where this bullshit is copied :

https://**********/pdf/threads/dete...-against-evolving-cold-start-doctrine.539525/


The problem is that Pakistan thinks that nuclear capability is panacea to all Pakistani problems. Pakistan is not happy with a regime of stability and peace between India and Pakistan. Their threat perceptions are reflection of their constant efforts to harm India by hooks and crooks under Nuclear shield. That is why every child in Pakistani begins threatening with their nucs.

Pakistanis need to understand the limitations and boundaries of Nucs which Indian CSD as pro-active military actions have exposed. The Pakistan's bluff has been called. Now it will Pakistan who will be under pressure due to their stated and declared position of using TNW.

Pakistan has certainly dug their graves and allowed India the choice of first strike. It is unbelievable for a country to talk about nuclear weapons which is the drainage sphere of five Indian rivers.

And Modi is building five more dams to spread nuclear fallout all over Pakistan quickly and effectively.

Nuc have become so much in fashion that Pakistan may be forced to use their TNW on Karachi, Quetta, Balochistan, Peshawar and KPK. I am sure if Pakistan had TNW prior to 1971, the Pathan and Punjabi generals would have bombed Bangladesh specially Dhaka, Khunla, Maimansingh, Sylhet, Chittagong and comilla with nuclear bombs.
Is not it ???

 

[Lancer]

This turf warfare or Empire creation mentality will cease if we make up IAF upto 45 Squadron strength and satisfy their sense of being large Empire.

Otherwise attacks hepters are part of ground forces all over the world. Indian Army has taken a tactical position of taking advantage of their being a "Force in Being"... Kabhi to denge.

This is my general idea (a lot of it is based on the far future when there would be more money available):

Bring up IAF to ~45-50 sqd's. Emphasis on LCA's to make up numbers [CAP/interception]. Upgrade Su-30 MKI's to Super Sukhoi. Bring in ~150 Rafales total for IAF (local production). A couple off the shelf squadrons of the PAK FA once its in production as an early stealth aircraft as well. In the short term, to make up numbers, I'm open to the possibility of getting second hand MiG 29's and Mirages from all the friendly countries retiring them.

As part of the same deal that leads to domestic production of Rafales, we can also satisfy the Naval requirement for ~57 Medium Fighters for its Aircraft Carrier. Once the INAA is well developed, the IAF could even consider handing over shore defense to them.

CAS role completely handed over to Indian Army Aviation w/ all heli assets + Armed Hawks.


And then last of all, there's the far far future possibility of purchasing a small complement of F-35's to go with the Landing Docks we're buying for the [future] Marine Infantry. But that's all very far away.

 

[Bhadra]

This is my general idea (a lot of it is based on the far future when there would be more money available):

Bring up IAF to ~45-50 sqd's. Emphasis on LCA's to make up numbers [CAP/interception]. Upgrade Su-30 MKI's to Super Sukhoi. Bring in ~150 Rafales total for IAF (local production). A couple off the shelf squadrons of the PAK FA once its in production as an early stealth aircraft as well. In the short term, to make up numbers, I'm open to the possibility of getting second hand MiG 29's and Mirages from all the friendly countries retiring them.

As part of the same deal that leads to domestic production of Rafales, we can also satisfy the Naval requirement for ~57 Medium Fighters for its Aircraft Carrier. Once the INAA is well developed, the IAF could even consider handing over shore defense to them.

CAS role completely handed over to Indian Army Aviation w/ all heli assets + Armed Hawks.


And then last of all, there's the far far future possibility of purchasing a small complement of F-35's to go with the Landing Docks we're buying for the [future] Marine Infantry. But that's all very far away.

I completely agree.

However, management of airspace and AD remains a big challenge in utilisation of air assets It is imperative that a single agency remains responsible for it for better coordination, control and utilisation - a role IAF will continue to fulfill through various air control and AD resources.

Army aviation providing dedicated CAS is still a far cry given that there are no resources for it. But it is also true that no modern army can afford smooth operations without it. They should have started with attack heptrs and then graduate on to fixed wings.

 

[aarav]

Army to conduct 'large scale exercise' in Haryana and Punjab ,IBG test Run

 

[Bhadra]

Army to conduct 'large scale exercise' in Haryana and Punjab ,IBG test RunView attachment 35309

The major highlights are :

1. Test the efficiency of its newly acquired equipment and weapons,

2. the Army's Kharga Corps will hold training exercises in the hinterlands of Punjab and Haryana (not Desert but green belt with lots of towns and built up areas, I presume).

3. Karga Coprs is Indian Army's 2 Corps.

4. The exercise will be conducted in the obstacle ridden terrain.

5. Latest military concepts designed to deliver a swift punitive blow to the adversary will also be validated,

6. The exercise entails the jointmanship between arms and services and honing of inter army and interservices good practices. along with IAF.

7 One of the biggest military exercises of recent times.



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[Brimstone]

Yeah we know ur counter doctrine to CSD. The faster guys will run towards the west. The fat guys will surrender like they did in '71.
This doctrine is named 'Alhamdullillah'.

He "believes" that they have something to counter IA but it's top secret. Just like Nawaz Sharif "believed" that Musharraf had something under his sleeves to counter IA during Kargil. These pigs, who thinks keeping an Indian name and flag will fool us, still dream that they can win by copy-pasting 2nd grade articles from internet and expecting that this will stop IA. Somebody notify the editors of Oxford dictionary that there's a new synonym for the word 'delusional'. It's 'Pakistani'.

 

[Anand Bimraj]

And that will attract a nuclear retaliation on Pakistan itself. What an intelligent country.

And wait, India can open wars on multiple fronts with IBGs. Let's see how many times you will bomb yourself.

There is a much bigger purchase & manufacture program in India which suggests that there is no race.

India is building up capabilities for various fronts, not dedicated to one country, unlike Pakistan.

Well Indian Planner took the idea, as happened to the French high command in the face of the German blitzkrieg of 1940, and created new Land warefare Doctorine. This LWD is looks good for 3 to 4 IBGs but 10 IBGs requires lot of coordination and its not easy task to acheive. is there mechanized IBGs have heli sq embedded ?
Recent trends of buying military hardware by India are a clear indication to this fact that Indian aggression in future would increase and distrube the peace in the region.
I think if Indian military leadership’s embrace of a doctrine that not only apparently fuels the buildup of Pakistan’s conventional and nuclear forces, but also ups the chances of political and military miscalculations on both sides in the event of a major crisis and lot of innocent people will die.

 

[Brimstone]

Well Indian Planner took the idea, as happened to the French high command in the face of the German blitzkrieg of 1940, and created new Land warefare Doctorine. This LWD is looks good for 3 to 4 IBGs but 10 IBGs requires lot of coordination and its not easy task to acheive. is there mechanized IBGs have heli sq embedded ?
Recent trends of buying military hardware by India are a clear indication to this fact that Indian aggression in future would increase and distrube the peace in the region.
I think if Indian military leadership’s embrace of a doctrine that not only apparently fuels the buildup of Pakistan’s conventional and nuclear forces, but also ups the chances of political and military miscalculations on both sides in the event of a major crisis and lot of innocent people will die.

मैं सोच ही रहा था कि ये लोग आज कुछ post कयूं नहीं कर रहे
Anyway your post, as usual is unoriginal,fallacious and filled with slanted conjectures. Not only that, it also tells us how insecure you and your establishment are regarding our doctrine because of our conventional superiority. All of your copy pasted articles build up different narratives but they all end up with 'nuclear' and 'regional peace'.
I'd suggest you to try something original that has some logic and argument. The arguments of your posts unintentionally reveals your anxiety. The more you post, the more we get to know about your state of mind. And frankly, we are getting bored. So tell us something that we don't know about you guys. How would your chaps defend in case of an invasion in a detailed manner with all the facts and figures, like @Bhadra explain things. No more propaganda. Let's be honest with each other and have an interesting discussion based on ground realities.

 

[aarav]

Well Indian Planner took the idea, as happened to the French high command in the face of the German blitzkrieg of 1940, and created new Land warefare Doctorine. This LWD is looks good for 3 to 4 IBGs but 10 IBGs requires lot of coordination and its not easy task to acheive. is there mechanized IBGs have heli sq embedded ?
Recent trends of buying military hardware by India are a clear indication to this fact that Indian aggression in future would increase and distrube the peace in the region.
I think if Indian military leadership’s embrace of a doctrine that not only apparently fuels the buildup of Pakistan’s conventional and nuclear forces, but also ups the chances of political and military miscalculations on both sides in the event of a major crisis and lot of innocent people will die.

बालाकोट के बाद से पाकी बावले हो गए है, अगले पाँच साल मे इनके बहुत बुरा हाल होने वाला है,भारत अब असली नकेल कसेगा।

 

[Arsalan123]

He "believes" that they have something to counter IA but it's top secret. Just like Nawaz Sharif "believed" that Musharraf had something under his sleeves to counter IA during Kargil. These pigs, who thinks keeping an Indian name and flag will fool us, still dream that they can win by copy-pasting 2nd grade articles from internet and expecting that this will stop IA. Somebody notify the editors of Oxford dictionary that there's a new synonym for the word 'delusional'. It's 'Pakistani'.

very disrespectful! and the same P word again.i know you hate pakistan but hate has limits.

 

[Arsalan123]

# India and Pakistan having reached declared and overt nuclear capabilities in 1998 were expected to have obtained parity, a goal Pakistan cherished since 1947 when a Few Muslims of the subcontinent created an Islamic state for themselves.

# Having reached parity, Pakistan was expected to get over their existential dilemma, wide gaps in conventional military asymmetry and be assured of their safety leading to a permanent regime of peace and stability.

# However, It was not to be so. Pakistani aims and efforts to inflict thousand cuts on India through Islamic Terrorism and asymmetric warfare got a fillip under Nuclear regime which became a shield to Pakistan for their attacks on India rather than obtain peace regime. There was Kargil, Bombay Bombing and attack of Indian Parliament under nuclear stability. More than 70 terrorist attacks were carried out by Pakistan.

# When India announced their intentions of CSD, Pakistan had nothing but to bring nuclear threat to counter it. Pakistan has scaled down the nuclear regime to TNW. The idea that Nuclear capability is a licence to terrorist attacks as also stop Indian Forces at conventional and unconventional levels. That has also also failed post Balakot..

# Indian CSD is a measure to create a deterrence regime under which Pakistan is not able to use nuclear card as a blanket licence for attacks on India.

# Pakistani and Indian J&K and Punjab are not anywhere suited for use of TNW because of density urban conglomeration of population in respective areas.

# The fallout of any nuclear adventure by Pakistan will prove devastating due to water drainage system devastating Pakistan. Indians dams on five rivers flowing into Pakistan have sufficient capacity to take radioactivity all over Pakistani heart and devastate Pakistan for ever.

# India may never attack in Cholistan and Pakistan TNW will remain in stores. Eight IBGs in J&K and Punjab will unhinge Pakistani Army and bring them to battles favourable to India.

# Can Pakistan take the moral responsibility for first nuclear strike and thereby open their asses to US and Western nuclear interventions ? The USA will be very happy to de-nuclearise and defang Pakistan.

# Can Pakistan withstand Indian nuclear retaliations? Pakistan will be bombed back to Mohammad's times.

Nasar is a big failure and no Nasar can stop Indian IBGs.

Pakistan is unwittingly working for a situation under which the nuclear regime between India and Pakistan fails and Pakistan falls down to a pre - 1998 position.

you pointed out lots of facts related to ibgs and the weapons they carry but when i replied you with logic,you give me this response.there is nothing logical in your post.usa will intervene for what? nasr is a failure? you discuss indian narrative well but you don't discuss our narrative.you should counter your narrative with pakistan narrative and try to explain it further.this post is full of emotions.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Well Indian Planner took the idea, as happened to the French high command in the face of the German blitzkrieg of 1940, and created new Land warefare Doctorine. This LWD is looks good for 3 to 4 IBGs but 10 IBGs requires lot of coordination and its not easy task to acheive. is there mechanized IBGs have heli sq embedded ?

IBGs are supposed to be a smaller version of India's tri service command. So, eventually, they will be a smaller version of India's all military units together with all capabilities. Helicopters too.

As far as Blitzkrieg is concerned, it's old idea on which Sundarji Doctrine was based upon. Things have much evolved to Cold Start Doctrine and now IBGs.

Recent trends of buying military hardware by India are a clear indication to this fact that Indian aggression in future would increase and distrube the peace in the region.

Enough of peace has been spread by terrorists on daily basis. A decisive war to wipe out Pakistan or at least to make it under imperial subjugation of India is the ultimate solution of peace.

I think if Indian military leadership’s embrace of a doctrine that not only apparently fuels the buildup of Pakistan’s conventional and nuclear forces, but also ups the chances of political and military miscalculations on both sides

History tells us that Pakistan has been far miscalculative by messing up unnecessarily with a much bigger neighbor which is reflected by its losses.

Second, Pakistan doesn't match Indian in anyway. Imparity of power is only increasing year on year. Pakistan can only afford to acquire deterrents and given the stage of economic stagnation where Pakistan has engulfed in, it will not be able to fuel its build up much in upcoming decade.

in the event of a major crisis and lot of innocent people will die.

They die in terror attacks and insurgencies as well. Once, their perpetrators are neutralised to degree of irrelevance, lot of lives will be saved.

Terrorism has killed more people in region than all wars combined.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

very disrespectful! and the same P word again.i know you hate pakistan but hate has limits.

We are called with even worse words. And we will continue to use derogatory words for jihadis and their promoters.

you pointed out lots of facts related to ibgs and the weapons they carry but when i replied you with logic,you give me this response.there is nothing logical in your post.usa will intervene for what? nasr is a failure? you discuss indian narrative well but you don't discuss our narrative.you should counter your narrative with pakistan narrative and try to explain it further.this post is full of emotions.

What is Pakistani narrative at first place?

Here are all possibilities summed up.

1. There's a major terror attack in India.
2. Indian Air Force neutralises Pakistani nuclear facilities.
3. Indian IBGs capture large area of Pakistan.
4. Battle escalates Indian tri service command uses strategic weapons, Pakistan surrenders.

2A. Indian Air Force fails to neutralise all Pakistani nuclear installations.
3A. Indian IBGs & military expedite into and capture Pakistani territory.
4A. Pakistan uses nuclear weapons on Indian troops.
5A. India retaliates with nukes and battle ends.

4B. Pakistan chooses not to use nukes. Goes to international community. India leaves some territory after some time under pressure but keeps some with it.

4C. Pakistan doesn't follow its doctrine and hits Indian cities with missiles.
5C. India intercepts some Pakistani missiles. Some couldn't. India hits back with nukes & Pakistan surrenders.

2B. India abolishes its no first use policy and conducts pre emptive nuclear strikes on Pakistani nuclear installations followed by Cold Start. No chance for Pakistan!


Now, let me know how Nasr will make you win or even help with deterrence?

 

[Bhadra]

Well Indian Planner took the idea, as happened to the French high command in the face of the German blitzkrieg of 1940, and created new Land warefare Doctorine.

The Indian planners were fed up with Pakistan's intentions and acts of Terrorism as a cheap and affordable tool of State policy, as a tool of their deep rooted inane desire of waging a continuous Jihad against non-Muslims of the sub continent, their wish to use violence and terror as instrument of dominance over Indian sub-continent and their intentions to avenge their sins of 1971.
The basic idea behind "Cold Start Doctrine" is to make Pakistan pay for their terrorist policy options, make it costly and unaffordable for Pakistan and establish peace in the Indian sub-continent.

Why french doctrine, Pakistanis will do well to study Arab Israeli Campaigns to estimate what Indians are going to do to them and their Jihadi land. They should further study Maratha Campaigns against Muslims rulers and how the Mogul Badshah was made to live in Delhi on annual rent. They should further read campaigns of Hari Singh Nalwa into tribal frontiers. Why go to Germans and French when one has sufficient study material at home.

This LWD is looks good for 3 to 4 IBGs but 10 IBGs requires lot of coordination and its not easy task to achieve. is there mechanized IBGs have heli sq embedded ?

Are Indians fools to have eight Corps HQs and four Command HQ to look after that. Do not worry, adequate coordination including for a Rum party in Lahore Rotary Club will be carried out.
What is the distance between border and Lahore or Multan or Kasur or Bahawalpur or Muzzarrabd ? So why depend so much on helicopters? Dor ke chal ... will do.

Recent trends of buying military hardware by India are a clear indication to this fact that Indian aggression in future would increase and distrube the peace in the region.

Recent events point towards possibility of Indian pro-active military actions providing an environment of stability and peace in the subcontinent.

I think if Indian military leadership’s embrace of a doctrine that not only apparently fuels the buildup of Pakistan’s conventional and nuclear forces, but also ups the chances of political and military miscalculations on both sides in the event of a major crisis and lot of innocent people will die.

India has had enough of that threat of miscalculations on the part of Pakistan which means nothing more than a threat to Nuclear war. If Pakistan was satisfied of that nuclear parity there should have been a regime of peace between India and Pakistan. Then why terrorism??

What miscalculation exists is on the part of Pakistani irresponsible military leadership that miscalculates that they can go on using terrorism against India with impunity like Ghori or Abdali or Ghazani. That firmly needs to be put paid to.

Ek ke badle char ... That is the price needed to be extracted from Pakistan. That is perfectly moral and justified.

So far buildup, escalation and arms race is in question, let it be so. India can afford it. Pakistan will sink under it.

 

[Anand Bimraj]

IBGs are supposed to be a smaller version of India's tri service command. So, eventually, they will be a smaller version of India's all military units together with all capabilities. Helicopters too.

As far as Blitzkrieg is concerned, it's old idea on which Sundarji Doctrine was based upon. Things have much evolved to Cold Start Doctrine and now IBGs.

Enough of peace has been spread by terrorists on daily basis. A decisive war to wipe out Pakistan or at least to make it under imperial subjugation of India is the ultimate solution of peace.

History tells us that Pakistan has been far miscalculative by messing up unnecessarily with a much bigger neighbor which is reflected by its losses.

Second, Pakistan doesn't match Indian in anyway. Imparity of power is only increasing year on year. Pakistan can only afford to acquire deterrents and given the stage of economic stagnation where Pakistan has engulfed in, it will not be able to fuel its build up much in upcoming decade.

They die in terror attacks and insurgencies as well. Once, their perpetrators are neutralised to degree of irrelevance, lot of lives will be saved.

Terrorism has killed more people in region than all wars combined.

well Rawat envisions that eight to ten such IBGs could be stood up against Pakistan while an equal number, albeit smaller sized due to the mountainous terrain, could be deployed against China.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/new-battle-groups-to-face-pak-says-army-chief/678928.html
https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...tions-as-part-of-overhaul/article25327571.ece
which again how to achieve in 8 to 10 IBGs in perfect coordination and second if you look cursory at Indian military hardware reveals major deficiencies and capability gaps that would hinder the current execution of large-scale offensive operations against Pakistan. e.g the Indian Army still lacks a sufficient number of operational MBT, ATM, Guns and Army troops
https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/india-to-procure-1000-engines-for-t-72-main-battle-tank-force/
https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/ind...-anti-tank-guided-missiles-and-850-launchers/
https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/ind...-9-vajra-self-propelled-howitzers-this-month/
However Pakistan's land forces have a gaping hole in their tank fleet.
if looking at all these gaps , what do you think , isn't this doctorine in experimental phase
https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/248971
should I say Pakistan has most robust detterence and indeed be capable of mobilizing its conventional military forces faster than India.
https://southasianvoices.org/pakistan-conventional-deterrence-assessment/
Second , still not decided which air defence system(S-400, NASAMS, BMD and Now THAAD) layer will be deployed , you can't save a city using air defence.it's true that ballistic missiles are easy to target but cruise missiles can't be targeted easily.
what is a prepartion against of this :
https://www.dawn.com/news/1484062/shaheen-ii-ballistic-missile-training-launch-successful-ispr

my conclusion right now is India only have sub-conventional war with pakistan is the only option until new Gov start purachse logistic to fullfill the IBGs bare min requirment. any thought ?

 

[Defcon 1]

well Rawat envisions that eight to ten such IBGs could be stood up against Pakistan while an equal number, albeit smaller sized due to the mountainous terrain, could be deployed against China.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/new-battle-groups-to-face-pak-says-army-chief/678928.html
https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...tions-as-part-of-overhaul/article25327571.ece
which again how to achieve in 8 to 10 IBGs in perfect coordination and second if you look cursory at Indian military hardware reveals major deficiencies and capability gaps that would hinder the current execution of large-scale offensive operations against Pakistan. e.g the Indian Army still lacks a sufficient number of operational MBT, ATM, Guns and Army troops
https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/india-to-procure-1000-engines-for-t-72-main-battle-tank-force/
https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/ind...-anti-tank-guided-missiles-and-850-launchers/
https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/ind...-9-vajra-self-propelled-howitzers-this-month/
However Pakistan's land forces have a gaping hole in their tank fleet.
if looking at all these gaps , what do you think , isn't this doctorine in experimental phase
https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/248971
should I say Pakistan has most robust detterence and indeed be capable of mobilizing its conventional military forces faster than India.
https://southasianvoices.org/pakistan-conventional-deterrence-assessment/
Second , still not decided which air defence system(S-400, NASAMS, BMD and Now THAAD) layer will be deployed , you can't save a city using air defence.it's true that ballistic missiles are easy to target but cruise missiles can't be targeted easily.
what is a prepartion against of this :
https://www.dawn.com/news/1484062/shaheen-ii-ballistic-missile-training-launch-successful-ispr

my conclusion right now is India only have sub-conventional war with pakistan is the only option until new Gov start purachse logistic to fullfill the IBGs bare min requirment. any thought ?

Would you say that Balakot strikes were conventional or subconventional? I rest my case