India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

[Arsalan123]

The next PM doesn't need to be a Muslim to prove that Indian Muslims are treated well!!
US never had a woman President; Pakis had a woman PM. Does that mean women are treated better in Paki land? LOL!!

Indian Muslims have headed several critical areas...including the Air Force, Defence Research, UN reps , movies, media and not to mention the PRESIDENT!

BTW...no one was suggesting that Pakis should come to India to enjoy better life! India is better off not having people who grew up in a crucible filled with vitriol!

Indian Muslims have access to better education and a lot more opportunities to rise up in life & career! As such, India has more wealthy Muslims than Paki land has!! Also the average income of Indian Muslims is higher than that of Paki Muslims!!! Avg income for both Hindus and Muslims in India are exactly the same (Sikhs, Jains & Christians exceed both Hindus & Muslims!)

Ordinary Paki Muslims have absolutely no opportunity to rise up! Below the Army and Mullahs are essentially 2000 odd feudal lords who control almost all of Paki lands and wealth!!! An ordinary Paki can NEVER go onto becoming a billionaire or the Prime Minister! I challenge you to show me ONE example that would prove me wrong!!!

If life for Paki Muslims is so much better than that for Indian Muslims, why doesn't any Indian Muslim aspire to migrate to Paki land (other than for the occasional marriage with a cousin across the border)? On the other hand, Paki Muslims (and also Bangladeshi Muslims) always aspire to migrate to India for a better life ($$$).

Even the Kashmiri Jihadis who travel to Paki land for terror training never want to stay back in Paki land! those who give up on jihad also try to find their way back into India to settle down peacefully (some even bringing their Paki wives along with them)!

Pakistan is a shit hole country that no one wants to live in. Only the 'frogs in Paki pond' ignorantly continue to sing paeans because that's all they've been bred to do!!!

very bad language in last paragraph.

 

[Arsalan123]

A True Muslim is probably never truly happy with anything...
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Even if the entire world converts to Islam, the wars will not stop.

Pakistan is a classic example. Ahmadis were one of the proponents of partition of india, they travelled around the world arranging meetings, spreading the idea of pakistan ,collecting funds for Muslim league. Today as karma would have it, the nation they helped create does not consider them muslim enough. Today it is ahmedis, tomorrow it will be sindhis, day after it will be back to afridis vs orakzais. This cycle of violence will never end.

every country faces problems internally.examples are naxals,moists,kashmir separatists right? at least accept that you also have problems similar to us.and mamata banerjee? who is she? every indian talk about her and her bad behavior towards bjp.why you have this lady? there are problems in every country but nobody wants country to be broken in pieces like you mentioned sindhis and others.they are just internal problems.

 

[Enquirer]

very bad language in last paragraph.

I agree, "paeans" is a bad word to describe the blood lusting cries of Pakis.

But glad to see you don't have any objection to the rest of the post.

 

[Enquirer]

every country faces problems internally.examples are naxals,moists,kashmir separatists right? at least accept that you also have problems similar to us.and mamata banerjee? who is she? every indian talk about her and her bad behavior towards bjp.why you have this lady? there are problems in every country but nobody wants country to be broken in pieces like you mentioned sindhis and others.they are just internal problems.

Yes, every country has its own problems....and most of such countries look inwards to solve those problems.....Unlike Pakis who think killing Indians/Hindus is the solution to all their problems!!!

Also, Mamata Banerjee is the emblem of 'Muslim appeasement" in India!!! She prohibits 'Durga puja" procession, but allows "Moharram" procession..........(even when both could have happened peacefully in different areas!)

Net-net Muslims in India have way too much power over Hindus.....even more than what Pakis Muslims have over Paki Hindus. Another reason why Indian Muslims enjoy better life than Paki Muslims

 

[Indx TechStyle]

i would love to run present day india in ottoman empire way.i will eat biryani in hyderabad and i will forgive everyone.i will built massive navy for the entire region and i would love to marry at red fort.everyone will participate and we will drink coca cola hahaha. bhadra you should be realistic.all these achievement that you mentioned above is almost impossible.you are taking pakistan very lightly.

You just have been repeatedly asking us not to take Pakistan lightly but you aren't able explain any damn thing.

Actually, you believe that Pakistan is a neck on neck rival of India what isn't true at all.

 

[Tamil TigerWoods]

every country faces problems internally.examples are naxals,moists,kashmir separatists right? at least accept that you also have problems similar to us.and mamata banerjee? who is she? every indian talk about her and her bad behavior towards bjp.why you have this lady? there are problems in every country but nobody wants country to be broken in pieces like you mentioned sindhis and others.they are just internal problems.

yes indian muslims are very happy and next pm of india will be muslim.are you kidding me? we are happy to spend our lives in pakistan lol.

You have lives in Pakistan? Don’t believe you

 

[Mikesingh]

Well according to the prominent nuclear expert Dr. Jaspal states that the NASR is a cost-effective way (due to Pakistan’s resource constraints), to alleviate the rapidly growing conventional asymmetries between India and Pakistan and to counter the threat of limited war. In a nutshell, Nasr has poured cold water on Cold Start Doctrine and this weapon system has augmented full spectrum deterrence posture while, remaining within the precincts of the policy of credible minimum deterrence, against prevailing and evolving threat spectrum more effectively including ballistic missile defense and other air defense systems.

This is the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in a long time. Read my post # 158 on this thread.

Bottom line: Nasrs are as useless as a one-legged Paki at an arse kicking contest.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Yes, every country has its own problems....and most of such countries look inwards to solve those problems.....Unlike Pakis who think killing Indians/Hindus is the solution to all their problems!!!

Also, Mamata Banerjee is the emblem of 'Muslim appeasement" in India!!! She prohibits 'Durga puja" procession, but allows "Moharram" procession..........(even when both could have happened peacefully in different areas!)

Net-net Muslims in India have way too much power over Hindus.....even more than what Pakis Muslims have over Paki Hindus. Another reason why Indian Muslims enjoy better life than Paki Muslims

Mamata lost major currency due to this decision of hers. It might not have affected that much in heavy urban areas since we extend our durga Puja anyway, but it was absolutely shocking in rural areas or outskirts. Moreover, keeping the Idol for one more day means bearing the cost of an extra day of worship, lights, etc.

You'll get to see the effect of this in votes this time hopefully.

 

[garg_bharat]

Well seems that thread has digressed to non-relevant areas.

I think Bhadra was doing a good job. And he concluded it with saying that there are ammo shortages.

Well ammo shortage is something which is going to affect the other side as well. So let us not assume any side is going to have unlimited ammo.

The cold start strategy is valid and is workable. Even in nuclear environment.

 

[Enquirer]

Well seems that thread has digressed to non-relevant areas.

I think Bhadra was doing a good job. And he concluded it with saying that there are ammo shortages.

Well ammo shortage is something which is going to affect the other side as well. So let us not assume any side is going to have unlimited ammo.

The cold start strategy is valid and is workable. Even in nuclear environment.

Well! What do you expect when you let a wayward Paki to shit everywhere ? First order of the business is to silence him with logic and facts. If that fails then drive him out...............

 

[Brimstone]

Why are we entertaining the Madarasa graduate paki and derailing the thread ?

 

[Enquirer]

Why are we entertaining the Madarasa graduate paki and derailing the thread ?

Because, when he gets kicked out from a thread he starts crying to everyone "Mujhe kyon nikhala?"
(watchers of Paki politics will get the joke)

 

[Bhadra]

Cold Start Doctrine : Honing Their Skills
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Cold Start Doctrine had been facing impediments on many fronts mainly UPA govt's appathy to the doctrine, jittery and jelious diplomates, a cautiously nurtured hostile intellectuals and commentetors, foreign powers specialy USA, Pak lover Aman ki Asha brigade and lastly the MoD behemoths called OFB / DRDO dealying / denying necessary wherewithal but undettered and purposefully, Indian Army has been honing it to a fine edge to refine the "Cold Start Doctrine" since last 12 years. The content of this has been largly taken from:

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/cold-start/bey ..

Operation Divya Astra (Divine Weapon).

In March 2004, the Indian Army first demonstrated the various aspects of Cold Start in a war game called Operation Divya Astra (Divine Weapon). The aim was to deliver a potent and fatal strike into the heart of Pakistan. It was a mechanized assault supported by artillery and ground attack aircraft.

Operation Vajra Shakti Thunder Power)

In May 2005, the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force launched a joint exercise in Jalandhar area. In nine days of simulated attacks and counter-attacks, the Indian Forces were able to penetrate 30 kms into enemy territory and set the stage for the Strike Corps for follow-on deep penetration attacks.

 

[Bhadra]

Cold Start Doctrine : Honing Their Skills​

Operation Desert Strike

Just six months later, the Indian Army launched Operation Desert Strike to synergise XXI Corps with the Indian Air Force, and two, to defeat an enemy (Pakistan) using preemption, dislocation and and disruption.

Operation Sangh Shakti (Joint Power)

May 2006 saw the Indian Army launch Operation Sangh Shakti (Joint Power) as a sequel to the May 2005 Operation Vajra Shakti. Ambala based II Corps was the focus of this major exercise. 1 Armored Division, 14 Rapid Division and 22ndInfantry Division war-gamed a scenario in which a lightening thrust through the Cholistan Desert would cleave Pakistan in half.

Operation Ashwamedh

The fifth major exercise designed to test and put Cold Start through its paces was launche in May 2007 in the Rajasthan desert. It was called Operation Ashwamedh.I Strike Corps tested its network-centric warfare strategy. In a typical “fog of war” scenario, Operation Ashwamedh was designed to slingshot I Strike Corp into battle. The Indian Air Force provided tactical and close air support.

At a tertiary level, a few important capabilities were tested across these exercises. Night fighting capabilities, fighting in built up areas (FIBUA), special forces deep penetration strikes etc were tested simultaneously. For example in Operation Divya Astra, combat engineers bridged a 60-meter wide canal, all in 30 minutes This bridge was capable of supporting tanks and armor.

 

[Bhadra]

Cold Start Doctrine : Honing Their Skills​

The lessons learnt from these war games were imbibed and improved upon again in 2012 during Operations Shoor Veer and Rudra Akrosh, and in 2016 during Operation Shatrujeet.

The big win in these exercises, apart from other critical parameters, was network centricity. Indian commanders seemed at ease with the latest global technology, and real-time intelligence gathered through satellite imagery and UAVs reduced decision making time, helping the commanders be as flexible as the situation demanded.

The big loss was inter-services coordination. It still is.

Army has announce another major exercise in 2019 to test and fine tune structres of Integrated Battle Groups (IBG) which COAS declared wii be structured around and based on a Divisional HQ.

Pakistan has been given adequate signals to change their behaviour or face India's multiple choice of military responses. Anvis are being shapped into Pakistan.

Till then, the hammer waits.

 

[ezsasa]

every country faces problems internally.examples are naxals,moists,kashmir separatists right? at least accept that you also have problems similar to us.and mamata banerjee? who is she? every indian talk about her and her bad behavior towards bjp.why you have this lady? there are problems in every country but nobody wants country to be broken in pieces like you mentioned sindhis and others.they are just internal problems.

Almost all of insurgencies in India are directly or indirectly because of socialism. During socialism days, resources and prosperity were a rarity. So people used to fight for resources.

Mamata Banerjee Maybe is a political opponent for BJP today, but that woman and her party single handedly brought down 30 years of communist rule. Unfortunately she and her party still continue to use those violent methods on other political parties as well.

Poverty and social injustice are man made problems, they are solvable problems.

But in Pakistan even if the current economic woes are solved, targeting of Shias and ahmediyas will not stop. You know it and we know it.

Interesting thing I find watching “War on ISIS“videos is that both ISIS fighters and their opponents keep saying “inshallah” before killing each other. By now even your god will be confused, which side he must take.

 

[Bhadra]

So How Have they been Doing ?

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[Arsalan123]

Yes, every country has its own problems....and most of such countries look inwards to solve those problems.....Unlike Pakis who think killing Indians/Hindus is the solution to all their problems!!!

Also, Mamata Banerjee is the emblem of 'Muslim appeasement" in India!!! She prohibits 'Durga puja" procession, but allows "Moharram" procession..........(even when both could have happened peacefully in different areas!)

Net-net Muslims in India have way too much power over Hindus.....even more than what Pakis Muslims have over Paki Hindus. Another reason why Indian Muslims enjoy better life than Paki Muslims

yes they enjoy better like like stone to death or burning of their shops or probably killing on beef matters.it's common.we also read news my friend.we aren't illiterate.

 

[Arsalan123]

You just have been repeatedly asking us not to take Pakistan lightly but you aren't able explain any damn thing.

Actually, you believe that Pakistan is a neck on neck rival of India what isn't true at all.

problem is people on your side aren't assuming us as your rival.you guys only talk about military numerical superiority which i accept but kindly consider pakistan as your bitter enemy.i think you consider pakistan as somalia or nigeria.lol

 

[Arsalan123]

Almost all of insurgencies in India are directly or indirectly because of socialism. During socialism days, resources and prosperity were a rarity. So people used to fight for resources.

Mamata Banerjee Maybe is a political opponent for BJP today, but that woman and her party single handedly brought down 30 years of communist rule. Unfortunately she and her party still continue to use those violent methods on other political parties as well.

Poverty and social injustice are man made problems, they are solvable problems.

But in Pakistan even if the current economic woes are solved, targeting of Shias and ahmediyas will not stop. You know it and we know it.

Interesting thing I find watching “War on ISIS“videos is that both ISIS fighters and their opponents keep saying “inshallah” before killing each other. By now even your god will be confused, which side he must take.

don't involve God.i think we all believe in God.i have no idea about isis but they have damaged muslims reputation all over the world.i don't know mamata banerjee.i don't know about her tactics.i disuseed this topic because i was reading comment of an indian about her and he was very angry.i have no idea about socialism.internal problems exist because of religion too.i have seen both shia and shia behaving like brothers.basically shia problem is not sunni but wahhabi islam.you know about the rivalry of saudia and iran.these two countries made pakistan battleground of their sectarian war.