India and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO)

Should India get permanant membership in the SCO?

  • Yes, India should join SCO as full member

    Votes: 15 55.6%
  • No, India's observer status is enough

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • Not now, but maybe in the future

    Votes: 2 7.4%

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Re: Importance of India joining as a full member of the SCO

India likes where it is in SCO, India will join a china dominated group period. that's why no higher level dignitory is ever sent to SCO. last time petroleum minister was sent to SCO, this tells you how much serious is India joining SCO
 

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India seeks China's support for Shanghai Cooperation Organisation membership

India seeks China's support for Shanghai Cooperation Organisation membership - The Economic Times

BEIJING: India on Wednesday sought China's support for membership of the six-nation Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), dominated by Beijing and Moscow, and underlined that it will bring many strengths and positives into the grouping.

India's External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna held wide-ranging talks with China's Vice-Premier Li Keqiang, who is expected to succeed Premier Wen Jiabao next year, and sought China's support in becoming a member of the SCO.

"I conveyed to him India's desire to become a full-fledged member of the SCO. It was heartening to hear that the modalities of admitting new members is being worked out. The process is on," Krishna told Indian journalists in the Chinese capital.

"India has been coming to the SCO since 2005. We have made known our seriousness in joining the grouping. Otherwise, no one will be coming to these meetings since 2005," said Krishna. Underlining India's track-record in "other multilateral organizations", Krishna said: "And when India comes into a grouping or association, it brings with it many positives and strengths. That will have to be evaluated."

"We have been moving in a positive direction of finalizing the modalities," said Krishna. "We are indeed working very hard to comply with the modalities. However, things are moving very slowly," Krishna replied when asked about elaborate technical formalities and procedures the SCO firmed up for prospective members at the 11th summit in Astana, Kazakhstan last year.

The SCO comprises Russia and China, the two regional giants and permanent members of the UN Security Council, and the energy-rich Central Asian states, including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

India, along with Iran, Pakistan and Mongolia, currently enjoys the status of observer at the SCO. Any decision on including India or expanding membership is unlikely to be taken at the 12th SCO summit in Beijing. Although Russia has backed India's full membership, China is seen to be hedging and resorting to technical procedures to what some see as an attempt to stonewall India's admission into the grouping where it enjoys pre-eminence.

Recently, China had welcomed India's prospective entry into the grouping, but said "the relevant countries should work hard towards political, legal and technical preparations for [the membership]." China has not explicitly opposed India joining the SCO, but insiders say that Beijing is looking for a deal with New Delhi whereby it becomes a member of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) in return for getting India inside the SCO tent.

If India is admitted as a member, Pakistan, China's ally, too will be accommodated. "We are hopeful of becoming a member of the SCO. It's just a matter of time," Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani told IANS.
 

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Re: India seeks China's support for Shanghai Cooperation Organisation membership

 

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Cnina never going to let India in SCO as a member .India is just wasting its time in it.I think GOI knows this maybe they have applied for membership so as make it defficult for Pakistan to easily enter the SCO. If this is the case then its a smart move on the part of GOI.
 
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SCO admits Afghanistan as observer, Turkey as dialogue partner, IBN Live News

The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) today admitted Afghanistan as an observer nation, amid speculation that the six member grouping comprising of China, Russia and central Asian states is seeking to play larger role in the war-torn country. The summit also accepted Turkey as a dialogue partner. Afghanistan would become the fifth observer state in the forum besides India, Pakistan, Mongolia and Iran. The SCO was founded in Shanghai on June 15, 2001 and currently has six full members China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Turkey joins the ranks of dialogue partners in addition to Belarus and Sri Lanka. Afghan President Hamid Karzai attended the summit and held talks with both Chinese President Hu Jintao and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin and other leaders. SCO dominated by China and Russia looks to play a bigger role in Afghanistan after the exit of NATO troops in 2014. External Affairs Minister, S M Krishna who attended the summit said Asian countries faced the most important security challenges as Afghanistan, which lies in heart of Asia is also a bridge connecting not just Central and South Asia but also Eurasia and the Middle East. "The SCO provides a promising alternative regional platform to discuss the rapidly changing Afghan situation," he said. China has already denied the possibility of the forum evolving into a NATO style military and political bloc. Discounting reports likening the SCO to an eastern NATO, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin said that the charter of the SCO determined its nature of non-alliance, non-confrontation, not targeting at any third country or organisation and openness to outside parties.
 

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Cnina never going to let India in SCO as a member .India is just wasting its time in it.I think GOI knows this maybe they have applied for membership so as make it defficult for Pakistan to easily enter the SCO. If this is the case then its a smart move on the part of GOI.
It's clear India doesn't wanna join SCO. but then Russia openly supports India aboard is quite intriguing.

then Russia and China oppose foreign military intervention to implement régime change https://02varvara.wordpress.com/201...pose-military-intervention-in-syria-and-iran/
 

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It's clear India doesn't wanna join SCO. but then Russia openly supports India aboard is quite intriguing.

then Russia and China oppose foreign military intervention to implement régime change https://02varvara.wordpress.com/201...pose-military-intervention-in-syria-and-iran/
.How it is clear for you that India doesn't wanna join SCO .As far as India is concerned ,It as applied for full membership and it is China which doesn't want India in the SCO, gives some lame excuses and postpones India's inclusion in it fearing a Indo-Russian axis in the SCO. Further China never had any good intentions towards India historically. Even though Nehru was one the first Head of states to recognize communist take over of China and he even recognized Tibet to be a part of China ,even going to the extent as saying Hindi Chini bhai bhai.He also campaigned for recognition of communist China by the U.N.and what India got in return was an attack on India and occupation of 32,000 sq miles of Indian territory.Even now India wants peace with China and would agree on a status quo in the borders and settlement of all border issues on a status quo basis .But again it is China which is behaving in an irrational and illogical manner claiming all of Arunachal,everyone knows the famous or shall we say imfamous Chinese Creative Map Drawing skill .Further it is China which is actively arming Pakistan against India .Is is the China's peacefully raise to power.Stop acting in an irrational and illogical way behave as a responsible power settle the border dispute ,stop arming third parties against India ,respect the territorial integrity of India and let India in the SCO then will have a peaceful and prosperous region. On the other hand if China thinks India is corrupt ,poor,illiterate and would disintegrate then it is absolutely very wrong because India's fundamentals are very strong as the literacy rate increases slowly poverty and corruption will come down. India is destined to be a great power.The U.S. and Russia recognize this that why they want India on their side.The ball is on China's court whether it wants a peaceful friendly India or a nuclear armed enemy and also armed to teeth by US conventional weapons.
 

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Wow, thanks for a long write-up which sums up what most Indian poster have kept on chanting.

My point is simple - India's application for SCO membership is no more than posturing or an attempt to block PAK in your own words. Being a member would limit much of India's "indpendence" in foreign policy. Like in the link I provide, SCO namely Russo-China axis voices strong opposition to intervention in Syria and attacks on Iran. Such a stance, for instance is different from India's. India's membership would very likely disable effective functioning of SCO as consensus would be more difficult for a trio than a duo due to lack of convergent interests.
 
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There are many angles to india joining or not joining SCO.

It could be that India wants to get inside so that it can be privy to what's happening and also influencing it to further its interests.

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It could be to block Pak from playing the fool in SCO after joining it. So get in first an oppose Pak.

China may want India in SCO before the US floats any military organization like NATO for Asia in which India would be a member.

One thing is for sure that China is more and more trying to get India on its side.

This week has been intense for the geopolitical future of Asia. It's going to have far reaching effects.
 

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India should get represented in any and every international fora.

That way India will be able to know first hand what others in the group are thinking and planning and can then react in the best of Indian interest.

By being in any and every international fora, India will also be in a position to influence the course of thought and events.
 

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India does not want to join sco, they just want to create noise of joining. Only India sends FM to SCO, all other countries send their presidents. That tells you how serious is India in joining sco. India just want to be there and that's it.
 

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India is not a member and merely an Observer.

Maybe that is why the President is not sent.

And anyway, the current President does not have the same aura as the other Presidents had and so it will not make any impact.
 

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Shanghai Cooperation Organisation will not evolve into NATO style military China

BEIJING: China has denied the possibility of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) evolving into NATO style military and political bloc as the fourm's 6th summit concluded here with calls to counter terrorism and beef up regional stability.

Continue Reading :- http://www.indian-military.org/June.news-indian-air-force-news.html
 

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Having both Pakistan and India in SCO will make it a toothless organization like SAARC. China and Russia are well aware of this fact
 

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SCO Launches Joint Exercises In Tajikistan

Five of the six countries in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) have launched a joint counterterrorism military exercise in Khujand, Tajikistan.

Troops from Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan have deployed more than 2,000 troops in the Peace Mission 2012 exercises, which began on June 9.

The Russian Defense Ministry says the heads of the general staff of each country also are participating.

SCO member Uzbekistan is not taking part.

The exercises are staged in three phases -- strategic consultations, battle preparation, and operations.

The drills last until June 14.

It is the ninth joint exercise of its kind since the SCO was founded in 1996.

Countries with observer status in the group include Iran, Pakistan, Mongolia, and India.

Belarus and Sri Lanka have been named as SCO dialogue partners.
 

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Is Shanghai Cooperation Org Stuck?

Is the SCO Stuck in Neutral? | The Diplomat

For the first time in almost a decade, the annual Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) leadership summit decided to admit another formal observer, Afghanistan, to its ranks. The leaders attending the June 6-7 summit in Beijing also let Turkey join Belarus and Sri Lanka as a formal "dialogue partner". Even so, the SCO has not fully overcome its expansion dilemma.

The SCO designated its first formal observer, Mongolia, in June 2004, after having finalized regulations on the observer status earlier that year. India, Iran, and Pakistan became observers at the 2005 summit in Shanghai. Other countries have since expressed interest in becoming formal observers. But the SCO has not yet moved forward in accepting new participants—until now.

Has the SCO finally broken its expansion impasse? Probably not—since the SCO again failed to promote any existing observer countries to full membership. Iran, India, and Pakistan lobbied hard for such status, but were again blocked, probably by host nation China, with no timetable when they might finally enter.

In their declaration announcing the SCO's establishment in June 2001, the six founding governments declared that, "On the basis of consensus, it shall admit as its new members those countries which recognize the cooperation purposes and tasks within the framework of the organization"¦ and whose joining will facilitate the realization of cooperation."

Despite this, the SCO has never accepted another full member. The current roster of members includes only those six states that joined the organization at its founding: China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.

Until recently, the stated reason the organization has not acted on their applications or designated any new members is, despite several years of discussions, that SCO governments have been unable to define a legal basis for increasing the number of members.

In the past, the SCO had established formal partnerships only with other multilateral organizations. The Yekaterinburg summit decided to grant Belarus and Sri Lanka the "dialogue partner" status. These partners cannot sign SCO documents or participate in SCO decisions; they can only offer advice in areas of cooperation specified in a memorandum.

The June 2010 SCO summit in Tashkent formally agreed on the minimum eligibility for full membership: the state has to be located in Eurasia; already have observer or partnership status within the SCO; have diplomatic, economic, and humanitarian ties with all existing SCO members; and not be subject to UN sanctions or in a state of armed conflict with another country. Yet, the SCO governments claimed they needed another year to finalize a memorandum detailing the commitments of states seeking full SCO membership. The group formally approved the commitment memorandum at the 2011 Astana summit but have since cited other reasons for delaying any membership decisions. In Beijing, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the next SCO summit, which will occur in the Kyrgyz Republic next year, would finally resolve the general financial, legal, and administrative procedures for admitting new members into the organization.

But the real reason the organization has never admitted a new full member has been the members' recognition that expanding the SCO could further could exacerbate several of the organization's fundamental problems. Differences in these countries' populations, geographic size, economic resources, military power, and geopolitical orientation have already complicated the negotiation, approval, and execution of SCO policies. Adding new full members exacerbate these strains. In other words, cooperation is hard.

Current SCO members disagree over such important issues as the desirability of a Western military presence in Central Asia, the extent to which governments should assist another member state to suppress domestic unrest, and the SCO's role in traditional defense matters. Further expansion risks exacerbating current divisions among SCO governments.

And transforming current observer countries into full members could complicate mutual defense cooperation within the SCO as well, since the new entrants would lack the common Soviet military legacy found in Russia, China, and the former Soviet republics of Central Asia. Plus, Afghanistan, India, Mongolia, and Pakistan all have military and intelligence ties with Washington.

Nor is any existing observer country an obvious choice for full membership. The most enthusiastic aspirants for full membership, Iran and Pakistan, are the least desirable entrants due to their links to regional terrorism and relatively weak economies. The potentially most valuable new member, gas-rich Turkmenistan, has not shown any interest in joining the SCO. Turkmenistan still adheres to a formal position of neutrality regarding regional security issues. Those SCO observers that have unsuccessfully sought full membership during the last several years might not welcome Turkmenistan's receiving such a status ahead of them.

Membership expansion could also complicate the SCO's nonproliferation stance because several candidates for full membership—India and Pakistan—possess nuclear weapons that were acquired outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or appear to be seeking them.

SCO officials and supporters worry, too, that expanding the number of state members with voting rights could make the SCO more bureaucratic. More members would make it more difficult to achieve a consensus. The organization's consensus rule gives any current member the right to veto, including admitting new members or observers or dialogue partners, though Russia and China are clearly the most influential members in shaping SCO policies. Until now, while Beijing and Moscow have been able to agree which applications for full membership to reject, they have yet to concur in favor of any applicant.

Russia and China have apparently decided that Mongolia cannot join the SCO anytime soon. In addition to its being a geographic outlier, NATO's recently expanding ties with Mongolia have attracted unfavorable commentary in the Chinese media, which accuses Mongolia of cultivating ties with NATO to balance and enhance its leverage with Beijing and Russia as part of its "third neighbor" policy. Mongolia has supplied troops to the NATO-led operations in Kosovo and Afghanistan, attended the recent Chicago summit, and become the first nation to receive an Individual Partnership and Cooperation Program from NATO.

China and Russia also oppose allowing Iran to join the SCO. Its full membership would be seen as a provocative and gratuitous anti-Western move by an organization seeking to downplay earlier Western angst that it might become an anti-NATO of the east. President Hu Jintao again used the occasion of a bilateral meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to lecture the Iranian leader about Beijing's opposition to Iran's acquiring nuclear weapons. China and Russia have cleverly managed to deflect Iran's membership aspirations by enacting a rule that no country under UN sanctions can become a full member of the organization and then voting for UN Security Council resolutions imposing such sanctions.

But Beijing and Moscow have disagreed about the applications of India and Pakistan. Russian officials have set aside their traditional wariness of Pakistan and been open to allowing both states to become full members. But the Chinese government has reportedly blocked India's application, even though this move effectively denied their regional ally Pakistan such a promotion since the consensus is that both countries need to be treated equally to avoid exacerbating their regional rivalry. Chinese officials presumably oppose India's gaining international stature through full membership in the SCO (or on the UN Security Council). And at the same time giving India or Pakistan full membership, for instance, might require the SCO to address Kashmir and other divisive South Asian issues.

The Central Asian governments are probably unenthused about adding new full members since their individual influence could decline as it is diluted within a larger group. They would also have to share development funds, SCO posts, and other concrete institutional benefits with any new members. In addition, whereas it is now the focus of SCO attention, new members might direct the SCO's gaze away from Central Asia. For example, accepting Iran would move the SCO more deeply into Middle

Eastern issues. Promoting India and Pakistan could make the SCO an organization focused on South as well as Central Asia.

Instead of expanding the number of full members, existing SCO governments have created these new affiliate categories ("observer countries," "dialogue partners"). Existing members have sought to give other SCO affiliates, especially observer countries, greater opportunities to participate in the organization's activities.

This approach could usefully allow affiliates to take advantage of assets and resources by engaging them in SCO projects. For example, the new arrangement could create opportunities for Afghanistan and Turkey to discuss the optimal regional security framework that will emerge once NATO combat forces stationed in Central Asia leave. The new policy also partly compensates those countries that have tried but failed to elevate their status within the SCO. Yet, at some point the frustrated membership applicants may lose interest and focus their multinational institution-building efforts elsewhere.
 

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Re: Is Shanghai Cooperation Org Stuck?

SCO continues to struggle. Nothing much happening, interesting to know that the expansion has been stalled thanks to the PRC, which would mean Russia should be quite miffed.

India still pursuing SCO membership, fair enough, we continue playing both the sides, and seriously there is absolutely no need to pick any sides for now, just keep benefiting from all.
 
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Growing Eurasian Axis: Ukraine wants to join Shanghai Cooperation Organization

Growing Eurasian Axis: Ukraine wants to join Shanghai Cooperation Organization

Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych said he is interested in the export of Ukrainian high-tech products to Asian countries and said Ukraine would like to get observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

"The high-tech industry and its products are points of growth in economics and we are interested in working together with you to be able to work on third countries' markets, primarily in the CIS and other countries," Yanukovych said while meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi.

Yanukovych said Russia is "adapted" and is a member of various international structures formed by the countries of the Asian region.

"For example, we would like you to become our partner in an organization such as SCO. We would like to get observer status in this organization to be able to take part in the integration processes taking place in the organization," Yanukovych said.
 

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Very good article

The SCO, China, Iran & Bullion

I make no apology for returning to the subject of China, its role in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and gold. Gold is now a strategic metal for present and future SCO governments, which between them have over 40% of the world's population; and now that the price of gold is re-establishing its rising trend, understanding its future role as a replacement for the US dollar is increasingly urgent, because gold is wealth and this wealth is being transferred from west to east.

The SCO is an economic bloc consisting of China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan. Between them they produce about 26% of the world's gold, none of which leaves the SCO. Other nations accepted as future members are India, Iran, Pakistan, Mongolia and as soon as NATO leaves, Afghanistan. Belarus and Sri Lanka are on the waiting list. It is no less than the economic unification of most of Asia, with a combined population of three billion. All their central banks are buying gold, and the gold imported by the citizens of just two of them (India and China) accounts for all but 400-500 tonnes of the rest of the world's mine production – and some of that (particularly in Africa) is now also controlled by China.

One of the SCO's economic objectives is to do away with the dollar for cross-border trade between members. Any doubts we may have on the matter have now been dispelled as a result of the US government's monetary sanctions on Iran.

Iran is important, because it supplies crude oil to China and India, and the Americans have banned all countries from buying Iranian oil on pain of sanctions. The consequence has been to force Iran to settle some of her trade in gold, giving SCO members both a de facto remonetization of gold, and a solid reason to want higher prices for it in US dollar terms, so that it buys more.

This creates a dilemma for the US. If she escalates her attacks on Iran, she threatens the interests of China, India and other SCO members. At this stage it is too early to judge the political reactions of the SCO members to this threat, but there are broadly two possibilities: either military or economic.

It is too early for China to fight a currency war. She is developing her internal market, and in time the SCO will provide her with the most powerful captive market since the British Empire. However, she still depends on declining markets in the West for much of her economic activity. However, the reason she has accumulated gold and encourages her citizens to do so as well is ultimately to transfer wealth from the West.

The Iranian situation is already undermining the position of the dollar as the international currency in the context of pan-Asian settlements, because oil is simply more important. Attempts over the years by western central banks to bluff us out of gold ownership have given China and its SCO affiliates a tremendous wealth-transfer windfall, as we may be about to discover. That's what the geo-politics of gold is actually about, and it is a pity our leaders seem to be blind and deaf to it.
 

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