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Among other things, the problem could be solved in another way: Fincantieri wants to buy DCNS and DCNS It is a midget in the current situation, it depends on the 90% by military orders and how Navantia has some financial problems and no great prospects for the future... for Fincantieri the military sector accounts only for 10%... just to give an idea the Carnival group bought by Fincantieri $ 38 billion of luxury cruise ships in the last 20 years.

Solved the problems of acquisition of STX France shipyard and after French elections there are good chance that DCNS (excluding the DNCS nuclear that will remain clearly under control of the French state) become a subsidiary of Leonardo-Finmeccanica with some block option for the French state.
NO. It's WRONG.
It's "les chantiers de l'atlantique", in which DCNS has stakes, that is to sold. not DCNS !
The only military ships built by "les chantiers de l'atlantique" are parts of the Mistral LHP ships.

Stop dreaming. :)
 

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Fincantieri points to Saint Nazaire, but aims to DNCS?
date: 1/5/2017
Fincantieri's bid to gain control of the Group STX France, French branch of the South Korean conglomerate STX, STX Europe that controls the glorious Saint Nazaire Loire shipyards, one of the largest building sites of the Atlantic, has been judged fair by a court in Seoul. The Italian Shipyard, now the largest shipyard in the world in terms of technology and the fourth dimension, is preparing to enter the French market aiming at 66.6% of STX France and challenging that way Paris on land, shipbuilding, online strategy always France. The move by Fincantieri, who have long pointed to an expansion in France, was made possible by the bankrupt STX, due to the severe crisis of the whole offshore industry caused by the collapse in oil prices, which had been in receivership since last may, and may carry extensive consequences for the European shipbuilding industry. The group led by SUCH Bono aims to take control of Saint Nazaire shipyard specializing in the construction of cruise ships and passenger vessels, but the pipeline that also has the ability to produce large ships, like the MISTRAL class amphibious assault unit 2 produced originally for Russia and then sold to Egypt. In this way the company could enlarge its perimeter, Fincantieri more necessary than ever now to deal with spikes in production due to the Naval Law and the large contract for Qatar, or get rid of a dangerous competitor on the civilian market. However, the feeling is that the goal of Fincantieri is another. Or "flush out" the French State, which controls 33 percent of STX France and therefore could oppose the sale, and set a wider discussion involving French military state of DCNS shipbuilders also with which Fincanieri already cooperates in programmes FREMM and horizon. It would involve a wide-ranging discussion, which falls into a broader design of consolidation of the European shipbuilding industry, in which Fincantiri has a card to play Pier important: its dimensions of group for over 20,000 employees with shipyards in various countries of the world, a strong presence in the United States with Marinette Marine shipyard, Sturgeon Bay and Green Bay and in the program of the US Navy LCS (Littoral Combat Ship) and increasingly balanced portfolio thanks to the growth in the military made possible by the aforementioned Naval Law and the large contract for Qatar, which not coincidentally the same France hindered until the last in all ways. A significant obstacle to this drawing is, however, the nuclear component of DCNS, which the French State considers untouchable and that is non-negotiable and that must be must be kept separate from the remaining assets of DCNS.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/....portaledifesa.it/index~phppag,3_id,1642.html

Note: RID is one the best Italian Defence magazine on paper (the web site is also not bad)
 

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Fincantieri points to Saint Nazaire, but aims to DNCS?
date: 1/5/2017
Fincantieri's bid to gain control of the Group STX France, French branch of the South Korean conglomerate STX, STX Europe that controls the glorious Saint Nazaire Loire shipyards, one of the largest building sites of the Atlantic, has been judged fair by a court in Seoul. The Italian Shipyard, now the largest shipyard in the world in terms of technology and the fourth dimension, is preparing to enter the French market aiming at 66.6% of STX France and challenging that way Paris on land, shipbuilding, online strategy always France. The move by Fincantieri, who have long pointed to an expansion in France, was made possible by the bankrupt STX, due to the severe crisis of the whole offshore industry caused by the collapse in oil prices, which had been in receivership since last may, and may carry extensive consequences for the European shipbuilding industry. The group led by SUCH Bono aims to take control of Saint Nazaire shipyard specializing in the construction of cruise ships and passenger vessels, but the pipeline that also has the ability to produce large ships, like the MISTRAL class amphibious assault unit 2 produced originally for Russia and then sold to Egypt. In this way the company could enlarge its perimeter, Fincantieri more necessary than ever now to deal with spikes in production due to the Naval Law and the large contract for Qatar, or get rid of a dangerous competitor on the civilian market. However, the feeling is that the goal of Fincantieri is another. Or "flush out" the French State, which controls 33 percent of STX France and therefore could oppose the sale, and set a wider discussion involving French military state of DCNS shipbuilders also with which Fincanieri already cooperates in programmes FREMM and horizon. It would involve a wide-ranging discussion, which falls into a broader design of consolidation of the European shipbuilding industry, in which Fincantiri has a card to play Pier important: its dimensions of group for over 20,000 employees with shipyards in various countries of the world, a strong presence in the United States with Marinette Marine shipyard, Sturgeon Bay and Green Bay and in the program of the US Navy LCS (Littoral Combat Ship) and increasingly balanced portfolio thanks to the growth in the military made possible by the aforementioned Naval Law and the large contract for Qatar, which not coincidentally the same France hindered until the last in all ways. A significant obstacle to this drawing is, however, the nuclear component of DCNS, which the French State considers untouchable and that is non-negotiable and that must be must be kept separate from the remaining assets of DCNS.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http://www.portaledifesa.it/index~phppag,3_id,1642.html

Note: RID is one the best Italian Defence magazine on paper (the web site is also not bad)
Thanks for sharing . If such a restructuration of european naval industry is possible, that implies splitting DCNS activities in two : the subs division and the surface ships division. France and Italy did a very good job together with the Horizon and the FREMM.
Now is the subs division of DCNS viable after the split ? Probably yes thanks to the Australian contract... which was so unexpected !!


we dont have other options ...............

only few countries have ability to develop & manufacture HWT

F-21 is also developed with the Help of German Atlas Elektronik , F-21 is the latest HWT but France is not ready to sell F-21 if we want to use it in non-french submarines , we can not use American or Japanese Torpedo in Russian submarines .
It is very possible that India is thinking ahead. Project P75 (I) type can use some torpedoes too :)
 

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because Mazagon is not as skilled as french DCNS.
But next ones will come more quickly.

not to speak of the next batch of 6 ...... :biggrin2:
its not because of lack of skills but probably because of bureaucracy or some other reason like that ,

and obviously its not mazagaons own tech so they got to learn few things for this project and submarine building just started at mazagaon unlike france dcns who are experienced submarine builders .
 

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its not because of lack of skills but probably because of bureaucracy or some other reason like that ,

and obviously its not mazagaons own tech so they got to learn few things for this project and submarine building just started at mazagaon unlike france dcns who are experienced submarine builders .
Here in France, we heard some years ago that Mazagon was late in term of welding tech. They had to learn a lot from DCNS Under ToT. But it's OK now.
 

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Navy may consider German SUT torpedoes for Kalvari submarines, instead of Finmeccanica's 'Black Sharks'
"There will be some alternate torpedoes as an interim solution. The heavy weight torpedoes will take some time. Those which are already in use in other platform will be used in these (Kalvari class) submarines," said a senior Navy official.
NEW DELHI: With the Defence Ministry scrapping Finmeccanica's contract for 'Black Shark' torpedoes, the Indian Navy may consider German SUT torpedoes from its existing platform for its Kalvari class submarines as an interim solution.
However, lack of clarity on the black-listing policy by the Ministry could end up having Finmeccanica emerging as one of the contenders.
Finmeccanica's subsidiary AgustaWestland is alleged to have paid kickbacks for the 2010 purchase of 12 VVIP helicopters for Rs 3,760 crore.
Senior Navy officials said that the new heavy weight torpedo will take some time to get finalised.
"There will be some alternate torpedoes as an interim solution. The heavy weight torpedoes will take some time. Those which are already in use in other platform will be used in these (Kalvari class) submarines," said a senior Navy official.
Torpedoes are self-propelled weapons with explosives packed in their nose. They are a submarine's primary weapon to destroy their targets. The SUT torpedo is currently used in HDW Shishumar-class vessels are diesel-electric submarines.
The Black Hawk torpedoes were to be used in the Kalvari Class submarine. All six Kalvari class submarines are expected to be commissioned by 2020.
INS Kalvari, the first of the lot is likely to be commissioned before monsoon while the second submarine INS Khanderi could be commissioned by December this year or early next year.
Meanwhile, another submarine INS Sindhuraj will go to Russia for Medium Refit with Life Certification (MRLC) in mid- 2017, which will enhance its life for the next few year.
The submarine was inducted in the Indian navy in 1992. Another submarine INS Sindhukesri, which was commissioned in 1986, is undergoing a similar refit process.
The MRLC usually takes 27-30 months and this enhances submarine's life to 35-40 years.
 

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Can anyone provide me how much power is consumed by submarine at standstill i.e hotel power....
Like a twenty 24-inch monitors will consume 3-4 kw per hour at avg of 16-20 watts/hr...
And how much battery capacity is on board of submarine........Down below is the chinese submarine battery details
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I think DRDO is not working on a fuel cell but working on hydrogen generation unit.
Most submarines carry hydrogen and LOX in containers...but what drdo is trying to do is carry just LOX and produce hydrogen on board so, we can attain more space for LOX...means more days underwater.
How is drdo working on borohydride fuel cell...which uses sodium borohydride and water to generate hydrogen.And borohydride is available in powder form.
 

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Pic of the indian Scorpene, it seems that propeller is a kind of pump like on the french SSBN

Ever since the said leak came out I was expecting DCNS to change the complete specifications of the submarine. So those leaks does not matter IN now, as IN Scorpene are fitted with pump jet propellers instead of normal open propellers.
 

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India to fire self-made torpedo VARUNASTRA from our submarines, says DRDO

VARUNASTRA TORPEDO FROM SINDHUGHOSH SUBMARINES: The ship-launched anti-submarine torpedo called Varunastra has been accepted and will be going into production phase. SONAR development has been done in house. More ships have our own SONAR on them now. Development of submarine-launched torpedo/Varunastra on the Russian EKM class of submarines has also begun. We have begun work on the anti-ship and anti-radiation missile.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...rpedo-submarines-mtcr-lca-tejas/1/883780.html
 

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#Breaking: @DRDO_India boss declares India to test self-made torpedo VARUNASTRA on Russian EKM/Sindhughosh class of submarines.

A proven submarine-killer, Varunastra torpedo being rapidly inducted by @indiannavy. If firing tests from Sindhughosh cleared, MAJOR boost!


Any news on how it is a "proven submarine-killer"? I only heard of it being tested. Details would be nice
 

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Its tested and operational in Navy which makes it a proven system which can hunt and kill submarines ..
 

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View attachment 13859 View attachment 13861

Pic of the indian Scorpene, it seems that propeller is a kind of pump like on the french SSBN

Ever since the said leak came out I was expecting DCNS to change the complete specifications of the submarine. So those leaks does not matter IN now, as IN Scorpene are fitted with pump jet propellers instead of normal open propellers.
IMO that pic is not of Scorpene ...... it must be french Triomphant Class SSBN .
 

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IMO that pic is not of Scorpene ...... it must be french Triomphant Class SSBN .
It's IN Scorpene DCNS has changed complete layout and specs of submarine and those said leaks now won't have any effect on IN operations. Also all these technologies are being shared with India by France as a strategic alliance between both countries. I was first to announce on this forum that Kaveri Jet will be made operational by Snecma and jet engine technology is being shared to India, while others mocked at me. Nuclear SSN sub technologies will also be shared for our SSN subs by DCNS. There's a reason why DCNS is moving in to INDIA expect 3 more scorpenes to come with AIP.
 

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