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on your forum....when you type idf , it posted as Another indian forum....
but.....there is no such censorship if you type pdf.....
why ?
Imported Single Engine Fighter Jet Contest
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but.....there is no such censorship if you type pdf.....
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What you mean i don't understand?.
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Saab to tie-up with Adani to build Gripen fighter in India
Business Standard learns that, on Friday, Swedish defence and aerospace major, Saab, will announce a partnership with the Adani group to manufacture defence equipment in India, including Saab’s new Gripen E single-engine, medium fighter if that is chosen by the IAF.
On June 19, at the Paris Air Show, US defence giant Lockheed Martin had signed an agreement with Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL) to jointly build the F-16 Block 70 in India, if the IAF selects the fighter.
Neither the Lockheed-Tata, nor the forthcoming Saab-Adani combines have any assurance yet that their fighter would be chosen. But both combines are positioning themselves and signalling that intent to New Delhi.
Just as Ratan Tata personally attended the signing of the agreement in Paris, Saab’s president and chief executive, Hakan Buskhe, is flying into Delhi from Sweden to make the announcement along with Adani executives.
The competing combines are far ahead of New Delhi, which has not yet initiated procurement by sending vendors a “request for information" (RFI) or “request for proposals" (RFP). So far, the IAF has only sent out a one-page letter to foreign aerospace vendors, asking whether they are interested in building a single-engine fighter in India with an Indian private industry partner.
Fight for contracts
100-200 single-engine fighters to be made in India for the IAF Saab might build its new Gripen E, a single-engine, medium fighter, in IndiaLockheed Martin had also signed a deal with TASL to jointly build the F-16 Block 70 in IndiaThere is near a certainty that both Lockheed Martin and Saab will be selected as vendors
According to the defence ministry’s “strategic partner" (SP) policy, which will govern this procurement, the ministry is first required to prepare a short list of foreign vendors; and one of private Indian firms that are equipped to build such an aircraft. Then, the chosen companies are required to form partnerships and prepare proposals for evaluation by New Delhi.
While there is near certainty that both Lockheed Martin, with its F-16 Block 70, and Saab, with its Gripen E, would be selected as foreign vendors, there is less assurance that TASL or the Adani group would be designated as strategic partners.
After approving the strategic partnerships, the IAF would evaluate and choose one of the fighters.
Lockheed Martin has pitched aggressively, stating in a company release that transferring the world’s only F-16 production line from Fort Worth, Texas, to India “creates new manufacturing jobs in India, and positions Indian industry at the center of the most extensive fighter aircraft supply ecosystem in the world".
Saab projects an equal confidence, based on its argument that the Gripen E is the world’s most modern fighter and that Swedish industry would transfer technology far more generously to India than Washington would ever permit Lockheed Martin to.
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Business Standard learns that, on Friday, Swedish defence and aerospace major, Saab, will announce a partnership with the Adani group to manufacture defence equipment in India, including Saab’s new Gripen E single-engine, medium fighter if that is chosen by the IAF.
On June 19, at the Paris Air Show, US defence giant Lockheed Martin had signed an agreement with Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL) to jointly build the F-16 Block 70 in India, if the IAF selects the fighter.
Neither the Lockheed-Tata, nor the forthcoming Saab-Adani combines have any assurance yet that their fighter would be chosen. But both combines are positioning themselves and signalling that intent to New Delhi.
Just as Ratan Tata personally attended the signing of the agreement in Paris, Saab’s president and chief executive, Hakan Buskhe, is flying into Delhi from Sweden to make the announcement along with Adani executives.
The competing combines are far ahead of New Delhi, which has not yet initiated procurement by sending vendors a “request for information" (RFI) or “request for proposals" (RFP). So far, the IAF has only sent out a one-page letter to foreign aerospace vendors, asking whether they are interested in building a single-engine fighter in India with an Indian private industry partner.
Fight for contracts
100-200 single-engine fighters to be made in India for the IAF Saab might build its new Gripen E, a single-engine, medium fighter, in IndiaLockheed Martin had also signed a deal with TASL to jointly build the F-16 Block 70 in IndiaThere is near a certainty that both Lockheed Martin and Saab will be selected as vendors
According to the defence ministry’s “strategic partner" (SP) policy, which will govern this procurement, the ministry is first required to prepare a short list of foreign vendors; and one of private Indian firms that are equipped to build such an aircraft. Then, the chosen companies are required to form partnerships and prepare proposals for evaluation by New Delhi.
While there is near certainty that both Lockheed Martin, with its F-16 Block 70, and Saab, with its Gripen E, would be selected as foreign vendors, there is less assurance that TASL or the Adani group would be designated as strategic partners.
After approving the strategic partnerships, the IAF would evaluate and choose one of the fighters.
Lockheed Martin has pitched aggressively, stating in a company release that transferring the world’s only F-16 production line from Fort Worth, Texas, to India “creates new manufacturing jobs in India, and positions Indian industry at the center of the most extensive fighter aircraft supply ecosystem in the world".
Saab projects an equal confidence, based on its argument that the Gripen E is the world’s most modern fighter and that Swedish industry would transfer technology far more generously to India than Washington would ever permit Lockheed Martin to.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TejasMrca/photos/?ref=page_internal
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Gripen E is ready.... to begin fly tests !SAAB Says Its Ready To Build 150 Gripen Jets For India
Gripen E on target for debut flight in second quarter
by Craig Hoyle
SAAB’s Gripen E remains on course to make its flight debut during the second quarter of this year, as the Swedish manufacturer steps up its sales efforts for the new-generation fighter and its earlier C/D-standard variant.
Confirming that lead prototype aircraft 39-8 will get airborne before the end of the second quarter, head of Gripen Jerker Ahlqvist says: “So far, everything is going according to plan, and it looks really promising.” Deliveries of the GE Aviation F414-powered jet will start in 2019 for the Swedish air force, followed by aircraft for export customer Brazil.
Low-speed taxi tests with the Gripen E commenced at SAAB’s Linköping production site late last year, and Ahlqvist says the company is currently validating its software in preparation for the first flight. Aircraft 39-8 is currently in ground test, while the second of its eventual three prototypes has entered the final assembly.
Ahlqvist notes that SAAB’s decision to use an app-type software architecture on the Gripen E is already proving successful. “We see that corrections to the software that we need to do go very quickly,” he says. “We can make a change and then introduce a new software load into the aircraft within days – something that previously could take weeks or even months. That gives us confidence that the program will meet its schedule and milestones.”
Richard Smith, head of Gripen marketing and sales, says SAAB is increasing its efforts to add to the number of customers for the type, in both its C/D and E/F standards. Discussions continue with Botswana and Slovakia over their potential acquisition plans, and the company has just submitted its response to a Bulgarian request for proposals. It has also provided early information to India linked to a potential requirement for 150 single-engined fighters and is eyeing a navy requirement in the same country for its proposed aircraft carrier-capable Gripen Maritime model.
“The market looks optimistic,” says Smith. “We really need to bring in as many prospects as possible, in order to close our target, which is a contract every year.” The company currently has no orders for the C/D variant but has previously said it could deliver examples within 18 months of securing a production contract.
Also referring to potential opportunities for the Gripen in Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Finland, Indonesia, Malaysia and Switzerland, Smith says: “We’re in a very good position right now, having both platforms.”
Meanwhile, SAAB has begun updating the Czech Republic’s Gripen C/Ds with the type’s latest MS20-standard software, which entered operational use in Sweden last year. Hungary has also contracted the company to make the same modification to its fleet, and Ahlqvist says it is also in early dialogue with South Africa and Thailand about a similar update.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/05/saab-says-it-is-ready-to-build-150.html
No operationnal plane before years.
Saab, Adani to partner to build single-engine fighter jets in India: consultant
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/U...ner-to-build-singleengine-fighter-jets-i.html
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/U...ner-to-build-singleengine-fighter-jets-i.html
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If SAAB use 1% of it's propaganda fund in R&d , It have it's own engine ...Since 2007/08 ,routinly found article which implies that IAF almost buy Gripen.
F**k u SAAB , next single engine jet will be Tejas MK2 , better bribe Brazilian bureaucrats to bag more order for ur NG.
F**k u SAAB , next single engine jet will be Tejas MK2 , better bribe Brazilian bureaucrats to bag more order for ur NG.
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what france didn't agree to give us for a order of 126 under mmrca...sweden giving brazil for just on a order of 36.Saab mile huye hai ji.
29 out of 36 will be made completly in brazil ,( inclusive of guarantees and wuarranty )
and at what cost....
4.8b$ they are paying that too on a cradit line.....
7.8b$ we going pay , 15% as advance payment...
in simple terms , brazil get a deal at 75% less on cost.
and we are still stuckup even after paying more...
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Trump administration strongly supports sale of F-16, F-18 jets to India
Thursday, September 07, 2017 By: ET Source Link: CLICK HERE
The Trump administration has told Congress that it "strongly supports" the sale of F-18 and F-16 fighter jets to India and asserted that the proposals have the potential to take Indo-US defence ties to the next level.
Alice Wells, acting assistant secretary of state for the South and Central Asian Affairs, told a Congressional Subcommittee in a written submission that defence cooperation with India would be an important pillar in the bilateral relationship as it needs the country to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific region.
In this context, the Trump administration has informed the Congress that it "strongly supports" the sale of F-18 and F-16 fighter proposals put forward by Boeing and Lockheed Martin respectively.
These proposals have the potential to take India US defence relationship to the next level, the official said.
"The reason why defence cooperation with India is so vital to US interests is because we need India to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific," Wells said
She highlighted that the region serves as the fulcrum of global trade and commerce, with nearly half of the world's 90,000 commercial vessels, many sailing under the US flag, and two-thirds of traded oil travelling through the region.
Wells is also scheduled to testify before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific on "Maintaining US Influence in South Asia: The FY 2018 Budget".
She said in her submission that the Indo-Asia Pacific region is also home to nearly half of the planet's population and some of the fastest growing economies on earth.
"Working with like-minded partners, India has the strategic and economic potential to uphold the international order that has served so much of humanity over the past seven decades. The investments we make in our security partnership now will pay dividends for decades to come," she said.
As fellow democracies, countering terrorism is the critical priority for both India and the United States, she asserted.
"India is situated in a dangerous neighbourhood, where terrorist attacks have killed both Indians and Americans alike. Joint training and capacity building are essential to expanding our counter terrorism cooperation," she said, citing the State Department Anti-Terrorism Assistance (ATA) programme in which more than 1,100 Indian security personnel have received training from the US since 2009.
Wells said India is among America's most important strategic partners in the Indo-Pacific region.
"In the words of President Trump, the relationship between India and the United States has never been stronger, has never been better," she said in the testimony.
"The President's first meeting with Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi in June set a positive tone and ambitious agenda for strengthening bilateral ties, particularly in the areas of defence, energy and trade," she added.
Talking about the trade between the US and India in her written submission, Wells said the economic relationship has largely been on a positive trajectory and America needs to do more to balance the trade deficit between the two countries, which totalled nearly USD 30 billion last year.
"We are working closely with USTR and the Commerce Department to address the concerns of the US business community regarding India, including tariff and non-tariff barriers, subsidies, localisation policies, restrictions on investment, and intellectual property concerns that limit market access and impede US exporters and businesses from entering the Indian market," Wells said.
"Our bilateral trade has more than doubled in the last decade from USD 45 billion in 2006 to more than USD 114 billion in 2016. US exports to India support more than 260,000 American jobs across all 50 states," she said.
Last year alone, investment from Indian companies supported more than 52,000 jobs in the US, she added.
She said the Trump administration is committed to ensure that the trade relationship with India is fair and reciprocal, and continue to press India to further open its markets and create a level-playing field for US companies.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/T...ports-sale-of-F-16,-F-18-jets-to-India-303778
Thursday, September 07, 2017 By: ET Source Link: CLICK HERE
The Trump administration has told Congress that it "strongly supports" the sale of F-18 and F-16 fighter jets to India and asserted that the proposals have the potential to take Indo-US defence ties to the next level.
Alice Wells, acting assistant secretary of state for the South and Central Asian Affairs, told a Congressional Subcommittee in a written submission that defence cooperation with India would be an important pillar in the bilateral relationship as it needs the country to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific region.
In this context, the Trump administration has informed the Congress that it "strongly supports" the sale of F-18 and F-16 fighter proposals put forward by Boeing and Lockheed Martin respectively.
These proposals have the potential to take India US defence relationship to the next level, the official said.
"The reason why defence cooperation with India is so vital to US interests is because we need India to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific," Wells said
She highlighted that the region serves as the fulcrum of global trade and commerce, with nearly half of the world's 90,000 commercial vessels, many sailing under the US flag, and two-thirds of traded oil travelling through the region.
Wells is also scheduled to testify before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific on "Maintaining US Influence in South Asia: The FY 2018 Budget".
She said in her submission that the Indo-Asia Pacific region is also home to nearly half of the planet's population and some of the fastest growing economies on earth.
"Working with like-minded partners, India has the strategic and economic potential to uphold the international order that has served so much of humanity over the past seven decades. The investments we make in our security partnership now will pay dividends for decades to come," she said.
As fellow democracies, countering terrorism is the critical priority for both India and the United States, she asserted.
"India is situated in a dangerous neighbourhood, where terrorist attacks have killed both Indians and Americans alike. Joint training and capacity building are essential to expanding our counter terrorism cooperation," she said, citing the State Department Anti-Terrorism Assistance (ATA) programme in which more than 1,100 Indian security personnel have received training from the US since 2009.
Wells said India is among America's most important strategic partners in the Indo-Pacific region.
"In the words of President Trump, the relationship between India and the United States has never been stronger, has never been better," she said in the testimony.
"The President's first meeting with Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi in June set a positive tone and ambitious agenda for strengthening bilateral ties, particularly in the areas of defence, energy and trade," she added.
Talking about the trade between the US and India in her written submission, Wells said the economic relationship has largely been on a positive trajectory and America needs to do more to balance the trade deficit between the two countries, which totalled nearly USD 30 billion last year.
"We are working closely with USTR and the Commerce Department to address the concerns of the US business community regarding India, including tariff and non-tariff barriers, subsidies, localisation policies, restrictions on investment, and intellectual property concerns that limit market access and impede US exporters and businesses from entering the Indian market," Wells said.
"Our bilateral trade has more than doubled in the last decade from USD 45 billion in 2006 to more than USD 114 billion in 2016. US exports to India support more than 260,000 American jobs across all 50 states," she said.
Last year alone, investment from Indian companies supported more than 52,000 jobs in the US, she added.
She said the Trump administration is committed to ensure that the trade relationship with India is fair and reciprocal, and continue to press India to further open its markets and create a level-playing field for US companies.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/T...ports-sale-of-F-16,-F-18-jets-to-India-303778
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If $142 million price tag is not going to shut this single engine BS then I don't know what will. Order additional 36 Rafales and concentrate on LCA. But since this is IAF we are talking about, I am not going to hold my breath.
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some how this will not be the design of the Viper we will get
It will be more like this
credits :https://www.walldevil.com/wallpaper...rates-elmuzzerino-wallpaper-albums-united.jpg
the F-16E/F BLOCK -60+
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Gripen, manufactured by SAAB, enjoys a clear advantage because of its capabilities, say sources
After several dramatic twists and turns, as the Air Force looks at procuring a new single engine fighter, the Adani group is emerging as the dark horse that could end up manufacturing a large number of India’s future fighters.
The IAF is now working on issuing Request for Information (RFI) to the two single engine fighter manufacturers available in the global market — Lockheed Martin for its F-16 and SAAB for its Gripen. While the Tata group has tied up with Lockheed Martin for possible manufacture of F-16s in India, SAAB last week announced a tie up with the Adani group.
In the present scheme of things, Gripen enjoys a clear advantage because of its capabilities,” says an Air Force source. While the F-16 is half-a-century old fighter, the Gripen is a four-and-half generation fighter that is of very recent vintage.
The IAF had sent out an informal request asking the two manufacturers details of their products. Based on the input and other analysis, the RFI would be issued under the Strategic Partnership model in a couple of months, officers said. The target would be to acquire at least 100 fighters in the first stage, but the demand is expected to go up further now.
The government will select the preferred aircraft and its Indian partner based on submissions. Once selected, the manufacturing plant for the selected fighter is to be set up in India, with the Indian partner holding the majority stake in the venture.
MMRCA process in mess
“By not taking a quick decision and dragging its feet, the government has messed up the MMRCA [Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft] process,” says Air Marshal (retired) M Matheswaran, who played a crucial role in drawing up the MMRCA requirements and conceptualising its original tender in the early 2000s. “[The] original MMRCA was not only to get fighters but also to get technology here in India. All those objectives have been defeated,” he said.
The IAF in 2001 projected a requirement for 126 fighters, to fill the gap between its future indigenous Light Combat Aircraft and the heavy-weight Sukhoi-30 fighters. Though the initial move was to buy more Mirage 2000 fighters, it evolved into the MMRCA global tender.
In January 2012, the twin-engine Rafale fighter was declared the winner, and finally negotiations began with its French manufacturers.
Air Force sources point out that the only reason why the government has now put out the present single engine requirement is the cost. The purchase of 36 Rafale fighters from France, in a surprise move during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit there in April 2015, and in place of the ongoing negotiations for 126 fighters, not only surprised most military sources but also upset the financial projects for the fleet modernisation, sources admit.
Air Force sources point out that the requirement is now over 200 fighters, and the Rafale fighters are being limited to just 36. “Is there a single private industry with aerospace capabilities to build a fighter, to absorb that level of technology? The answer is no,” one source points out.
Air Marshal Matheswaran points out that the proposed SP model for the manufacture of fighters could end up being a mere licence production model without any significant technology gains in India.
“You will end up creating an HAL [Hindustan Aeronautics Limited] from scratch. You could have got HAL to do this work at a better pace,” says Matheswaran, who led an official landmark study on India’s aerospace capabilities.
After several dramatic twists and turns, as the Air Force looks at procuring a new single engine fighter, the Adani group is emerging as the dark horse that could end up manufacturing a large number of India’s future fighters.
The IAF is now working on issuing Request for Information (RFI) to the two single engine fighter manufacturers available in the global market — Lockheed Martin for its F-16 and SAAB for its Gripen. While the Tata group has tied up with Lockheed Martin for possible manufacture of F-16s in India, SAAB last week announced a tie up with the Adani group.
In the present scheme of things, Gripen enjoys a clear advantage because of its capabilities,” says an Air Force source. While the F-16 is half-a-century old fighter, the Gripen is a four-and-half generation fighter that is of very recent vintage.
The IAF had sent out an informal request asking the two manufacturers details of their products. Based on the input and other analysis, the RFI would be issued under the Strategic Partnership model in a couple of months, officers said. The target would be to acquire at least 100 fighters in the first stage, but the demand is expected to go up further now.
The government will select the preferred aircraft and its Indian partner based on submissions. Once selected, the manufacturing plant for the selected fighter is to be set up in India, with the Indian partner holding the majority stake in the venture.
MMRCA process in mess
“By not taking a quick decision and dragging its feet, the government has messed up the MMRCA [Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft] process,” says Air Marshal (retired) M Matheswaran, who played a crucial role in drawing up the MMRCA requirements and conceptualising its original tender in the early 2000s. “[The] original MMRCA was not only to get fighters but also to get technology here in India. All those objectives have been defeated,” he said.
The IAF in 2001 projected a requirement for 126 fighters, to fill the gap between its future indigenous Light Combat Aircraft and the heavy-weight Sukhoi-30 fighters. Though the initial move was to buy more Mirage 2000 fighters, it evolved into the MMRCA global tender.
In January 2012, the twin-engine Rafale fighter was declared the winner, and finally negotiations began with its French manufacturers.
Air Force sources point out that the only reason why the government has now put out the present single engine requirement is the cost. The purchase of 36 Rafale fighters from France, in a surprise move during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit there in April 2015, and in place of the ongoing negotiations for 126 fighters, not only surprised most military sources but also upset the financial projects for the fleet modernisation, sources admit.
Air Force sources point out that the requirement is now over 200 fighters, and the Rafale fighters are being limited to just 36. “Is there a single private industry with aerospace capabilities to build a fighter, to absorb that level of technology? The answer is no,” one source points out.
Air Marshal Matheswaran points out that the proposed SP model for the manufacture of fighters could end up being a mere licence production model without any significant technology gains in India.
“You will end up creating an HAL [Hindustan Aeronautics Limited] from scratch. You could have got HAL to do this work at a better pace,” says Matheswaran, who led an official landmark study on India’s aerospace capabilities.
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This is supposed to be the F-16V? The only F-16 design with a delta wing was the XL from the early 80s competition to replace the F-111. The F-15E won that.
Matheswaran, I remember, is the same b*stard who was bitching about the Tejas in a discussion and saying it capabilities are comparable to that of a Mig-21 and that Tejas development should be "Stopped".
I think he is the guy to be approached if a foreign vendor wants to make a sale to the IAF, if u know what i mean.
PS- I cant find that video. If anyone knows which video i am talking about, feel free to post.
I think he is the guy to be approached if a foreign vendor wants to make a sale to the IAF, if u know what i mean.
PS- I cant find that video. If anyone knows which video i am talking about, feel free to post.
