Idiotic Sinking state of Bangladesh

[omaebakabaka]

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is the lapses in critical thinking, I get it its fun to dunk on people but understand not every country is a basket case and has "flies into the face of logic" economic policies like Pakistan. Bangladesh has some capable leaders, Indonesia will be our greatest competitor in the future, Vietnam at the moment are performing better than us. Let's not become addicted to the smell of our own farts.

You can forget about chaddi leaders and their desh. Other than gharvapsi, no salvation for east or west cucks. True about indonesia and vietnam. Indonesia is not much of industrial economy I believe, raw materials and energy....they will struggle with food. Vietnam has great trajectory but not much to display from showing their hdi potential in output of high grade. They can get their with their good entry into manufacturing though.

 

[Anupu]

You can forget about chaddi leaders and their desh. Other than gharvapsi, no salvation for east or west cucks. True about indonesia and vietnam. Indonesia is not much of industrial economy I believe, raw materials and energy....they will struggle with food. Vietnam has great trajectory but not much to display from showing their hdi potential in output of high grade. They can get their with their good entry into manufacturing though.

Indonesia used to have an industrial base much like us Chinese industrialization killed it. Their new leader has plans to change that, I see clear reflections of India in them they also have a higher GDP per capita than us. Bangladesh has its brain stem intact and hence I hope they will do the right thing in the end but if they go down the "India Out" route they may end up shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Indonesia used to have an industrial base much like us Chinese industrialization killed it. Their new leader has plans to change that, I see clear reflections of India in them they also have a higher GDP per capita than us. Bangladesh has its brain stem intact and hence I hope they will do the right thing in the end but if they go down the "India Out" route they may end up shooting themselves in the foot.

If we should have preserved our industries post 1991 we would have been in good shape today..
The trade deficit in india china was just 1 billion in 2004 just in 10 years it grew by 3000%.
We kil)ed our own Industries. With Little bit of support they could have withstood the lpg reforms.

 

[AK047]

Vietnam at the moment are performing better than us.

Umm no… latest gdp data from Vietnam

Vietnam's GDP growth slowed to 5.66% in Q1 on weak phone, car output

Side effects of government's crackdown on corruption also hit businesses

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Marliii]

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is the lapses in critical thinking, I get it its fun to dunk on people but understand not every country is a basket case and has "flies into the face of logic" economic policies like Pakistan. Bangladesh has some capable leaders, Indonesia will be our greatest competitor in the future, Vietnam at the moment are performing better than us. Let's not become addicted to the smell of our own farts.

Smelling their own farts has been the problem for both indonesia and Bangladesh. Both of them was hyped up by media just like they hyped india up and now Bangladesh has dug its own grave with all their data manipulation and its own people are not questioning the sheer amount of inaccuracies in their government data because of the false hype. Politicians on the other hand in Indonesia have been promising 7% GDP growth every time they speak and still they haven't done it. The only country that has constantly lived up to the hype is our own.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Umm no… latest gdp data from Vietnam

Vietnam's GDP growth slowed to 5.66% in Q1 on weak phone, car output

Side effects of government's crackdown on corruption also hit businesses

asia.nikkei.com

There is alot of news going on that vietnam receives more companies who left china compared to india this is al bss. A perception was made vietnam is a competitor of india it is but only in lower class goods sector.. like shoes industry etc etc..
Worlds knows were is demand going to be and where to invest.. we are loosing investment to them but they are all cheap labour industries. Do t you think gobermint would have acted upon it.
In reality the worth of that investment is no where near India. The comparison is not fair but neither the comparison of just number is fair.

 

[AK047]

There is alot of news going on that vietnam receives more companies who left china compared to india this is al bss.
In reality the worth of that investment is no where near India. The comparison is not fair but neither the comparison of just number is fair.

Look India has one major advantage that countries like Indonesia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Philippines etc will never have. That is huge Conglomerate like Tata, Birla, Reliance, Adani, Mahindra etc which easily dwarf all of theirs combined. Recently Tata has announced semiconductor plants, battery plants, new car factories with billions in investment, Reliance is building 5 mega gigafactories, Adani is also going huge on solar as well in infra space as well as other sectors like the new huge copper plant in Gujarat, recently Jindal has announced its foray into EVs and they bought in huge stake in MG India as well, Mahindra is also investing heavily in EVs as well exporting motorcycles outside India. These are only some of the the biggest ones. Add the fact that India has a booming startup ecosystem with many young minds foraying to critical sectors like EVs, defence, space, robotics and you will understand why none of these countries can even approach India. Screwdriving products from China and USA will never lead to higher productivity.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Indonesia used to have an industrial base much like us Chinese industrialization killed it. Their new leader has plans to change that, I see clear reflections of India in them they also have a higher GDP per capita than us. Bangladesh has its brain stem intact and hence I hope they will do the right thing in the end but if they go down the "India Out" route they may end up shooting themselves in the foot.

Indonesian geography is a disaster, they simply can't sustain more people nor produce more food to feed them. They do have resources, percapita GDP is bs measure and made up as its valid only at a point in time....complexity of economy is what matters. Russia while having low gdp or so called gas station has a very advanced capabilities....so does India in certain sense with presence in very complicated areas.

Indonesia cost of living is ridiculous, expensive for tourists but generally a decent country with nothing spectacular that is going to steal the thunder.

Not sure what hope you see in chaddi land that can't even let native hindus live in peace....there is simply no good end other than mass gharvapsi....its even worse than Pakistan as far density goes...they will starve without India.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Why are developing countries consistently the most polluted when developed countries have way more vehicles per capita than us?

Because we are not handling waste processing. We have landfills, sewage in Waterbodies, Construction activities which increases dust. Improper maintenance of Roads.

Fixing them, lot of cities looks decent. Bringing City planning city looks great.

 

[gslv markIII]

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is the lapses in critical thinking, I get it its fun to dunk on people but understand not every country is a basket case and has "flies into the face of logic" economic policies like Pakistan. Bangladesh has some capable leaders, Indonesia will be our greatest competitor in the future, Vietnam at the moment are performing better than us. Let's not become addicted to the smell of our own farts.

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is how certain people has mastered the art of "whining like little bitches" & has started getting addicted to farts of every mediocre nation let that be Bangladesh or Indonesia.

You really believed that Kanglu's tall claims about micro-factories?? Like really??

The so called "Palki EV" is nothing but a CKD kit bought from Alibaba & assembled in a third rate slum workshop.

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And this ~7,000 sqft workshop in a slum is where they assemble CKD kits from Alibaba.

This is from the "capable leaders" of Bangladesh.

As for Indonesia, I will invite @Crazywithmath to teach you a thing or two about Economic Complexity.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is how certain people has mastered the art of "whining like little bitches" & has started getting addicted to farts of every mediocre nation let that be Bangladesh or Indonesia.

You really believed that Kanglu's tall claims about micro-factories?? Like really??

The so called "Palki EV" is nothing but a CKD kit bought from Alibaba & assembled in a third rate slum workshop.

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www.alibaba.com

And this ~7,000 sqft workshop in a slum is where they assemble CKD kits from Alibaba.

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This is from the "capable leaders" of Bangladesh.

As for Indonesia, I will invite @Crazywithmath to teach you a thing or two about Economic Complexity.

Alibaba is our Fact checker when it comes to whether companies produce own products or not.

 

[gslv markIII]

I had covered these Alibaba kit importing clowns before.

Palki Motors emphasizes its commitment to technical expertise, with 83% of its team members possessing technical backgrounds. They have their own budding factory of 10,000 sqft, where they manifest their ideas into reality. Not only do they assemble, they do CKD Level-2 manufacturing along with welding, painting and testing.

In their gamut of achievements, their current total gross sales accounts for $276k, 1 dealership and 32 preorders in the pipeline. They successfully closed $1M round from TA Ventures and SBK Tech Ventures and secured a commitment from Rangs Motors for the next round. They have manufactured and sold 20 units with 10 units per month recurring sales.

 

[Sanglamorre]

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is the lapses in critical thinking, I get it its fun to dunk on people but understand not every country is a basket case and has "flies into the face of logic" economic policies like Pakistan. Bangladesh has some capable leaders, Indonesia will be our greatest competitor in the future, Vietnam at the moment are performing better than us. Let's not become addicted to the smell of our own farts.

Hate to break it to you, but us Bengalis can read everything that comes out of Bangladesh. It's going to be a worse case than Pakistan within a few decades.

Please don't forget, Bangladeshis are the real Pakistanis. Even Pakistanis are the second version.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Hate to break it to you, but us Bengalis can read everything that comes out of Bangladesh. It's going to be a worse case than Pakistan within a few decades.

Please don't forget, Bangladeshis are the real Pakistanis. Even Pakistanis are the second version.

Bro u live in Kolkata ?
Just asking how many kangladeshi you see there ?
Like how much of the population

 

[Anupu]

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is how certain people has mastered the art of "whining like little bitches" & has started getting addicted to farts of every mediocre nation let that be Bangladesh or Indonesia.

You really believed that Kanglu's tall claims about micro-factories?? Like really??

The so called "Palki EV" is nothing but a CKD kit bought from Alibaba & assembled in a third rate slum workshop.

View attachment 246623

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New Cars Electric 4 Wheels Made In China For Adults Mini Electric Car With Ce Certificate - Buy Electric Cars Made In China,Electric Car Bangladesh,Electric Car Adult Automatic Product on Alibaba.com

www.alibaba.com

And this ~7,000 sqft workshop in a slum is where they assemble CKD kits from Alibaba.

View attachment 246625

This is from the "capable leaders" of Bangladesh.

As for Indonesia, I will invite @Crazywithmath to teach you a thing or two about Economic Complexity.

Not sure what hope you see in chaddi land that can't even let native hindus live in peace....there is simply no good end other than mass gharvapsi....its even worse than Pakistan as far density goes...they will starve without India.

What I meant by their current leaders, is that Hasina and her party are not morons, unlike Pakistan where Asim Munir wants Semiconductor Fabs

As For My bull case for Indonesia, it is this
-> Low Public debt to GDP: around 40%
-> Low inflation around 3%
-> Strong Raw material base.
-> decent industrial capabilities in certain verticles like automobiles, they even have had OSAT facilities for a while.

Shows they have macro stability with decent growth. A Strong leader with the right mind can easily use this base to build up a decent economy.

 

[slayingheaven]

One thing that I really worry about on this forum is the lapses in critical thinking, I get it its fun to dunk on people but understand not every country is a basket case and has "flies into the face of logic" economic policies like Pakistan. Bangladesh has some capable leaders, Indonesia will be our greatest competitor in the future, Vietnam at the moment are performing better than us. Let's not become addicted to the smell of our own farts.

Any real life example where such "Competition" can be reflected? I mean lets assume that the Indonesian or Vietnamese Government or Institutions actively hampered the growth, but that shouldn't not hamper people right? People should have accomplished something right? We had so many Indian-Origin people in other countries at highest strata of positions. Even in our dark years in Socialist Era, we had Visionaries, Scientists and Engineers who propelled our Nation forward. I mean dude its laughable comparing these two countries with India. We had 1. Nuclear Sector 2. Automotive Sector-Be it Passenger, Agricultural, Wagons, Shipbuilding 3. Pharma Sector-Including drug discovery&drug development which is harder than mere manufacturing 4. Complete Integrated Space Sector-Launch Vehicles+Engines+Satellites+Sub-Systems 5. Budding(Not Nascent) Bio-Medical device sector 6. IT Sector which are a few. Tell me in which are these gonna they gonna compete with us? What is even "greatest competitor mean"? Do you mean being sweatshop of west's factories? Because that's not what Iam talking about and its not something to boast. Did someone packaged you some farts from Vietnam or Indonesia? If we are solely talking about GDP or per capita GDP then I can say Middle-East are better than us. Bruh, even with Lungidesh antics and their sinking Country, Lungidesh has more potential than Indonesia . Because you see there is a zeal in them to improve whether in good faith or bad faith. But I don't see any such in Indonesia. Exports and Sweatshops aren't gonna make someone a Superpower, Only Self-Realization of Technology like China or South Korea or Japan or India as of now with Atmanirbhar gonna make it. For all their worth, Indonesia or Vietnam isn't known for a Single thing of homegrown Company-University-Scientist-Engineer of their let alone diaspora where Indians and Chinese practically occupy the top share. Leave aside everything, tell me in what they are gonna compete with us except being a "SWEATSHOP". Remember, In our dark eras, when people are malnourished, we were shipping Supercomputers of PARAM series to other countries, such is the potential of this Nation. Don't belittle it by comparing it to spin-off countries.

 

[omaebakabaka]

What I meant by their current leaders, is that Hasina and her party are not morons, unlike Pakistan where Asim Munir wants Semiconductor Fabs

As For My bull case for Indonesia, it is this
-> Low Public debt to GDP: around 40%
-> Low inflation around 3%
-> Strong Raw material base.
-> decent industrial capabilities in certain verticles like automobiles, they even have had OSAT facilities for a while.

Shows they have macro stability with decent growth. A Strong leader with the right mind can easily use this base to build up a decent economy.

for a country with 90% convert rate with atleast two or more regions that would leave if they can when time comes like Bali and Papua and one more.....low inflation? I don't think so.....its not bad they have decent economy and can grow but its not Japan or China or India either with that kind of potential. Politics there are ugly and country is few turns from turning into hardcore fundamentalist.
You will see a toyota or a chinese brand 9 out of 10 and same with trucks fuso, hina and so on.....same with motor bikes....we should do good business with them. Decent country in general vs Malayasia that take a vocal anti India stand.
Vietnam is more interesting with communist style plus industrious people and close to east asia but none of the countries have potential of India in any dimension. India can't compete yet with SEA if we sign free trade, we need manufacturing and once we have it we can compete pretty well.

 

[Anupu]

Any real life example where such "Competition" can be reflected? I mean lets assume that the Indonesian or Vietnamese Government or Institutions actively hampered the growth, but that shouldn't not hamper people right? People should have accomplished something right? We had so many Indian-Origin people in other countries at highest strata of positions. Even in our dark years in Socialist Era, we had Visionaries, Scientists and Engineers who propelled our Nation forward. I mean dude its laughable comparing these two countries with India. We had 1. Nuclear Sector 2. Automotive Sector-Be it Passenger, Agricultural, Wagons, Shipbuilding 3. Pharma Sector-Including drug discovery&drug development which is harder than mere manufacturing 4. Complete Integrated Space Sector-Launch Vehicles+Engines+Satellites+Sub-Systems 5. Budding(Not Nascent) Bio-Medical device sector 6. IT Sector which are a few. Tell me in which are these gonna they gonna compete with us? What is even "greatest competitor mean"? Do you mean being sweatshop of west's factories? Because that's not what Iam talking about and its not something to boast. Did someone packaged you some farts from Vietnam or Indonesia? If we are solely talking about GDP or per capita GDP then I can say Middle-East are better than us. Bruh, even with Lungidesh antics and their sinking Country, Lungidesh has more potential than Indonesia . Because you see there is a zeal in them to improve whether in good faith or bad faith. But I don't see any such in Indonesia. Exports and Sweatshops aren't gonna make someone a Superpower, Only Self-Realization of Technology like China or South Korea or Japan or India as of now with Atmanirbhar gonna make it.

Indonesia has a good economy, whether their people have the "zeal" or not is irrelevant, and what kind of argument is that? Not every country out there is a military power does that mean they are geopolitically irrelevant? I can give you arguments against each point you have raised but I would recommend you do your research on Indonesia, you will find they are a well-managed economy with a decent industrial base, again don't compare them with India we are the fifth largest economy they are 16th. But even among their competitors, they have done a decent job.

Yes, one thing I will give you is the term "greatest competitor" was poorly worded, what I meant was the greatest competition economically within our neighbourhood other than China.

The wider point I wanted to make was to stop dunking on every country out there, they are not idiots like Pakistan. They are not our enemies either, in fact, they can be our potential partners.

 

[slayingheaven]

Indonesia has a good economy, whether their people have the "zeal" or not is irrelevant, and what kind of argument is that? Not every country out there is a military power does that mean they are geopolitically irrelevant? I can give you arguments against each point you have raised but I would recommend you do your research on Indonesia, you will find they are a well-managed economy with a decent industrial base, again don't compare them with India we are the fifth largest economy they are 16th. But even among their competitors, they have done a decent job.

Yes, one thing I will give you is the term "greatest competitor" was poorly worded, what I meant was the greatest competition economically within our neighbourhood other than China.

The wider point I wanted to make was to stop dunking on every country out there, they are not idiots like Pakistan. They are not our enemies either, in fact, they can be our potential partners.

Then use contemporary economies of neighbourhoods who can be potential partners in economy due to their stable foreign policy and economy. This terms like "Greatest Competitor" isn't applicable. Atmost they can be a commodity exporter because we can't conjure up raw materials and can be importer for our goods. Other than that, I don't see any "Finished" good that we are gonna import in near future much less even in 50 years later. India's Industrialisation took nascent steps in 2014-2024, from now onwards its gonna bulldoze. Majority of the things we Import like "Industrial Machinery or Chip Making Equipment" or such are very very advanced tools such only 1-2 countries make them. Other than that, in terms of finished goods, we are on verge of self-sufficiency. Iam sorry if the tone is harsh in previous reply, Iam not dunking on every country, because if someone hypes up mediocre countries comparing it to India then its an Insult . Present it Independently and present facts and realities that reflect them. Stop hyping every mediocre developing country like Indonesia,Philippines,Vietnam with India because none of them even have 10% of established sectors of India where self-sufficiency is key. At some point if a Nation wants to grow, it had to offer something to others instead of either being a commodity exporter or sweatshop which none of the above had in potential.

 

[Anupu]

Then use contemporary economies of neighbourhoods who can be potential partners in economy due to their stable foreign policy and economy. This terms like "Greatest Competitor" isn't applicable. Atmost they can be a commodity exporter because we can't conjure up raw materials and can be importer for our goods. Other than that, I don't see any "Finished" good that we are gonna import in near future much less even in 50 years later. India's Industrialisation took nascent steps in 2014-2024, from now onwards its gonna bulldoze. Majority of the things we Import like "Industrial Machinery or Chip Making Equipment" or such are very very advanced tools such only 1-2 countries make them. Other than that, in terms of finished goods, we are on verge of self-sufficiency. Iam sorry if the tone is harsh in previous reply, Iam not dunking on every country, because if someone hypes up mediocre countries comparing it to India then its an Insult . Present it Independently and present facts and realities that reflect them. Stop hyping every mediocre developing country like Indonesia,Philippines,Vietnam with India because none of them even have 10% of established sectors of India where self-sufficiency is key. At some point if a Nation wants to grow, it had to offer something to others instead of either being a commodity exporter or sweatshop which none of the above had in potential.

Indonesia has automobile plants, they are positioned well for making batteries and they have large proven hydrocarbon reserves they have a decent agriculture, and most of all they do foray into mid end stuff like OSATs. Mind you we don't have a single running OSAT right now.

We import large amounts of edible oil from this country because we have ourselves fucked our agriculture and they did not. How is it an insult to compare ourselves with such a state? We should learn how Indonesia encourages growing palm.

I am also very proud of being an Indian but that doesn't mean I think we are somehow insulted by mere comparison that too a productive one. They don't have to be a mega superpower to teach us something.