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IAF Tanker Contract - New RFI out
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Air Force eyes US tankers- Hindustan Times
The Indian Air Force appears to have shifted into overdrive to expand the reach of its fighter planes, enabling them to deploy swiftly to distant theatres of operations. It is toying with the idea of buying tankers from the US to reinforce its aerial refuelling capabilities.
The air force’s interest in US military contractor Lockheed Martin’s KC-130J tanker, used by the Marines, follows the cancellation of a proposed $2 billion (Rs 9,000 crore) deal for importing six Airbus 330 tankers manufactured by European aerospace major EADS.
The IAF, which currently operates the Ilyushin-78 tankers, is leaning on an existing contract to place orders for KC-130J tankers. It had ordered six C-130J Super Hercules transport planes, configured for special operations and airborne assault, three years back in a deal worth $1.2 billion (Rs 5,400 crore) under the US government’s foreign military sales programme. Military contracts usually have a provision for placing follow on orders.
Jack Crisler, who heads Lockheed Martin’s International Air Mobility Programs, told Hindustan Times, “The IAF has sought details about the capabilities of the KC-130J tanker (a variant of the C-130J). There’s a strong indication that it may place a follow on order for six tankers.” The first C-130J will be delivered to the IAF early next year. Indian pilots will kick off conversion training on the C-130Js at Lockheed Martin’s Marietta facility where the plane is manufactured and Little Rock Air Force Base in Arkansas.
The finance ministry has put the air force on rocky ground by refusing to support the proposed acquisition of Airbus 330 MRTT (multi-role tanker transport) arguing that they were overpriced. The IAF had chosen the Airbus platform over Il-78 tankers after exhaustive trials.
The hunt for new tankers will not end with the KC-130J as the defence ministry is likely to float a fresh international tender for longer range tankers.
The KC-130J can tank up not only fighter planes but also helicopters, enabling them to remain airborne longer.
The air force’s existing helicopter fleet cannot be aerially refuelled.
But the new class of attack and heavy-lift choppers that India proposes to acquire are configured for mid-air refuelling, a senior IAF officer said.
The Indian Air Force appears to have shifted into overdrive to expand the reach of its fighter planes, enabling them to deploy swiftly to distant theatres of operations. It is toying with the idea of buying tankers from the US to reinforce its aerial refuelling capabilities.
The air force’s interest in US military contractor Lockheed Martin’s KC-130J tanker, used by the Marines, follows the cancellation of a proposed $2 billion (Rs 9,000 crore) deal for importing six Airbus 330 tankers manufactured by European aerospace major EADS.
The IAF, which currently operates the Ilyushin-78 tankers, is leaning on an existing contract to place orders for KC-130J tankers. It had ordered six C-130J Super Hercules transport planes, configured for special operations and airborne assault, three years back in a deal worth $1.2 billion (Rs 5,400 crore) under the US government’s foreign military sales programme. Military contracts usually have a provision for placing follow on orders.
Jack Crisler, who heads Lockheed Martin’s International Air Mobility Programs, told Hindustan Times, “The IAF has sought details about the capabilities of the KC-130J tanker (a variant of the C-130J). There’s a strong indication that it may place a follow on order for six tankers.” The first C-130J will be delivered to the IAF early next year. Indian pilots will kick off conversion training on the C-130Js at Lockheed Martin’s Marietta facility where the plane is manufactured and Little Rock Air Force Base in Arkansas.
The finance ministry has put the air force on rocky ground by refusing to support the proposed acquisition of Airbus 330 MRTT (multi-role tanker transport) arguing that they were overpriced. The IAF had chosen the Airbus platform over Il-78 tankers after exhaustive trials.
The hunt for new tankers will not end with the KC-130J as the defence ministry is likely to float a fresh international tender for longer range tankers.
The KC-130J can tank up not only fighter planes but also helicopters, enabling them to remain airborne longer.
The air force’s existing helicopter fleet cannot be aerially refuelled.
But the new class of attack and heavy-lift choppers that India proposes to acquire are configured for mid-air refuelling, a senior IAF officer said.
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Boeing Won't Bid For Indian Tanker Until KC-X Headache Ends
What's six tankers, when you've got a deal for 179 tankers weighing on your head? Boeing has officially said that it won't even consider participating in India's soon to be re-tendered mid-air refuelling tanker competition (six aircraft) with its 767-based tanker until it has finished roadrolling its way to victory in the similarly dubious US Air Force contract for 179 refuellers. Boeing responded to a query I sent in with this: "Only upon the outcome of the KC-X competition for replacement U.S. Air Force aerial refueling tankers will we be able to fully determine our ability to participate in future international competitions. Boeing is committed to helping our international customers meet their military requirements, but we are not in a position now to discuss in any detail interest expressed by specific customers. Generally, however, when our international customers issue a request for information or interest we conduct a detailed evaluation or the request, study our inventory of potential offerings and make a decision based on that information."
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What's six tankers, when you've got a deal for 179 tankers weighing on your head? Boeing has officially said that it won't even consider participating in India's soon to be re-tendered mid-air refuelling tanker competition (six aircraft) with its 767-based tanker until it has finished roadrolling its way to victory in the similarly dubious US Air Force contract for 179 refuellers. Boeing responded to a query I sent in with this: "Only upon the outcome of the KC-X competition for replacement U.S. Air Force aerial refueling tankers will we be able to fully determine our ability to participate in future international competitions. Boeing is committed to helping our international customers meet their military requirements, but we are not in a position now to discuss in any detail interest expressed by specific customers. Generally, however, when our international customers issue a request for information or interest we conduct a detailed evaluation or the request, study our inventory of potential offerings and make a decision based on that information."
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Hunt begins for refuelling aircraft
Almost nine months after cancelling a contract to buy a new fleet of mid-air refueling aircraft, the Defence Ministry has started a new hunt, with tenders for a fresh procurement being sent to global aviation companies.
Fresh requests for proposals (RFP) have been issued to aviation firms in the US, Europe and Russia for six tankers that are expected to cost around $2 billion.
The fresh requests come after the earlier purchase bid hit a nasty roadblock last year. The Finance Ministry had objected to the high cost and lack of commercial competitiveness in the contract that led to the selection of the European Airbus 330 MRTT aircraft.
While the requirements have not been changed in the new tender, life cycle costs have been added to the RFP, sources said.
In the last selection round, only two companies — European Airbus (EADS) and Russian Rosoboronexport — made it to the trials. This time, more are expected to take part. "We have received the RFP and are conducting a detailed evaluation of the request and will make a decision based on that information," Vivek Lall, vice-president, Boeing Defense, Space and Security, India said.
It will take at least two years for the Defence Ministry to select an aircraft as per the procurement policy.
As first reported by the Indian Express, the previous contract was put on hold in September last year after the Finance Ministry questioned the need to purchase a new fleet of tankers other than the IL 78s already in service and objected the high price of the European aircraft.
The contract was finally cancelled in January, coming as a major blow to European consortium EADS which was very close to bagging the estimated $2 billion deal to supply six refueling aircraft for the Indian Air Force.
In February, Defence Minister AK Antony revealed that despite repeated requests by the Air Force, the Finance Ministry scuttled a mega tender but cleared another contract to procure VVIP choppers because of 'changed security scenario'.
Antony said the controversial cancelling of the tanker contract, in which European aircraft Airbus 330 MRTT had been chosen, took place after the Finance Ministry categorically refused to support the deal in a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).
Antony said the Defence Ministry sent the tanker contract for clearance thrice to the Finance Ministry but was forced to withdraw it due to the Finance Ministry's disapproval. "We had sent it to the Finance Ministry three times. Unless Finance Ministry agrees to take it up with CCS, we cannot go ahead. Finance ministry told us categorically they will not support it (in the CCS)," Antony had said.
The Finance Ministry had pointed out that the IAF already operated a fleet of the IL 78 refueling aircraft, the last of which was inducted in late 2004, making it easier to induct a larger number of the aircraft.
The IAF, however, made it clear that it was not in the favour of continuing the Russian origin IL 78 aircraft as its mid-air tanker of the future. The Russian aircraft was the only other contender in the ongoing contract but was rejected by the IAF, which found the Airbus a superior tanker.
Hunt begins for refuelling aircraft
Almost nine months after cancelling a contract to buy a new fleet of mid-air refueling aircraft, the Defence Ministry has started a new hunt, with tenders for a fresh procurement being sent to global aviation companies.
Fresh requests for proposals (RFP) have been issued to aviation firms in the US, Europe and Russia for six tankers that are expected to cost around $2 billion.
The fresh requests come after the earlier purchase bid hit a nasty roadblock last year. The Finance Ministry had objected to the high cost and lack of commercial competitiveness in the contract that led to the selection of the European Airbus 330 MRTT aircraft.
While the requirements have not been changed in the new tender, life cycle costs have been added to the RFP, sources said.
In the last selection round, only two companies — European Airbus (EADS) and Russian Rosoboronexport — made it to the trials. This time, more are expected to take part. "We have received the RFP and are conducting a detailed evaluation of the request and will make a decision based on that information," Vivek Lall, vice-president, Boeing Defense, Space and Security, India said.
It will take at least two years for the Defence Ministry to select an aircraft as per the procurement policy.
As first reported by the Indian Express, the previous contract was put on hold in September last year after the Finance Ministry questioned the need to purchase a new fleet of tankers other than the IL 78s already in service and objected the high price of the European aircraft.
The contract was finally cancelled in January, coming as a major blow to European consortium EADS which was very close to bagging the estimated $2 billion deal to supply six refueling aircraft for the Indian Air Force.
In February, Defence Minister AK Antony revealed that despite repeated requests by the Air Force, the Finance Ministry scuttled a mega tender but cleared another contract to procure VVIP choppers because of 'changed security scenario'.
Antony said the controversial cancelling of the tanker contract, in which European aircraft Airbus 330 MRTT had been chosen, took place after the Finance Ministry categorically refused to support the deal in a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).
Antony said the Defence Ministry sent the tanker contract for clearance thrice to the Finance Ministry but was forced to withdraw it due to the Finance Ministry's disapproval. "We had sent it to the Finance Ministry three times. Unless Finance Ministry agrees to take it up with CCS, we cannot go ahead. Finance ministry told us categorically they will not support it (in the CCS)," Antony had said.
The Finance Ministry had pointed out that the IAF already operated a fleet of the IL 78 refueling aircraft, the last of which was inducted in late 2004, making it easier to induct a larger number of the aircraft.
The IAF, however, made it clear that it was not in the favour of continuing the Russian origin IL 78 aircraft as its mid-air tanker of the future. The Russian aircraft was the only other contender in the ongoing contract but was rejected by the IAF, which found the Airbus a superior tanker.
Hunt begins for refuelling aircraft
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I feel the one who wins the contract now. Boeing or Airbus will see repeat order double this batch, so they should quote accordingly. IAF will need a fleet of 25-30 tankers to service the fleet. More will be good but.....
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India issues fresh request for tanker purchase
India's defence ministry has issued a fresh request for proposals to aerospace concerns in Europe, Russia and the USA for six inflight refuelling aircraft, reviving a contest worth an estimated $2 billion.
New Delhi had previously selected Airbus Military's A330-200-based multi-role tanker transport to meet its air force requirement, but cancelled the programme before a contract could be signed. Its decision followed pressure from India's finance ministry regarding the proposed cost of the deal.
Vivek Lal, vice-president of Boeing Defense, Space and Security, confirms that the US company has received the new RFP.
The Indian air force currently flies seven Ilyushin Il-78MK tankers, as listed in Flightglobal's MiliCAS database. Russia's United Aircraft Corporation has previously offered to produce a modernised version of the current aircraft for India.
India's defence ministry has issued a fresh request for proposals to aerospace concerns in Europe, Russia and the USA for six inflight refuelling aircraft, reviving a contest worth an estimated $2 billion.
New Delhi had previously selected Airbus Military's A330-200-based multi-role tanker transport to meet its air force requirement, but cancelled the programme before a contract could be signed. Its decision followed pressure from India's finance ministry regarding the proposed cost of the deal.
Vivek Lal, vice-president of Boeing Defense, Space and Security, confirms that the US company has received the new RFP.
The Indian air force currently flies seven Ilyushin Il-78MK tankers, as listed in Flightglobal's MiliCAS database. Russia's United Aircraft Corporation has previously offered to produce a modernised version of the current aircraft for India.
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IAF is already keen on getting the A330 MRTT refuelers. Wonder why do they need another tanker "RFI"; unless of course we take ministry babus scoring another billions into their numerous Swiss bank accounts. I wish they die in an air crash on their way to Switzerland.
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Assessing situation for making a second bid: Airbus Military
http://www.hindu.com/2010/11/01/stories/2010110162801300.htm
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New Delhi Airbus tosses its hat in IAF's tanker race
New Delhi, January 24, 2011
European defence firm Airbus Military has once again tossed its hat in the ring for the Indian Air Force's $ 1 billon (Rs 4,500 crore) contract for mid-air refuelling aircraft, a year after the tender was scrapped due to finance ministry objections. Aerial refuellers expand the operating radius of
fighter jets by tanking them up during flight.
The Spain-based firm, part of European conglomerate EADS, was on the verge of clinching the two-cornered contest but finance ministry's reservations over the steep price of the Airbus A330 multi-role tanker transport (MRTT) led to the cancellation of the contract. The A330 MRTT was locked in competition with the Russian IL-78 refuellers.
After operating IL-78 tankers for six years, the air force had made it clear that the Russian platform did not meet its requirements and it wanted to go in for the A330 MRTT. But the finance ministry's doubts over 'reasonableness of price and competitiveness of bids' stacked the odds against Airbus.
Airbus Military's head of market development Didier Vernet said the firm had responded to the defence ministry's fresh request for proposal (global tender) for mid-air refuellers in early January. "We have tough competition but we have a better chance as the A330 MRTT has obtained military certification," he said.
Vernet refused to comment on the cost advantage that the Russians would bring to the table with the IL-78. "The A330 MRTT is a new generation refueller, it cannot be compared with the IL-78" he said.
Russian equipment comes at a cheap upfront price, but questions have been raised about inflated life-cycle costs. Former IAF chief air chief marshal Fali Major said, "There is no doubt that the Airbus platform is far more expensive even if you factor in low life cycle costs, spare support and reliability. But the A330 MRTT scores on technology and that makes it worthwhile in the long run." The defence ministry had floated a tender for six midair refuellers to achieve rapid global mobility four years ago.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Airbus-tosses-its-hat-in-IAF-s-tanker-race/Article1-653911.aspx
New Delhi, January 24, 2011
European defence firm Airbus Military has once again tossed its hat in the ring for the Indian Air Force's $ 1 billon (Rs 4,500 crore) contract for mid-air refuelling aircraft, a year after the tender was scrapped due to finance ministry objections. Aerial refuellers expand the operating radius of
fighter jets by tanking them up during flight.
The Spain-based firm, part of European conglomerate EADS, was on the verge of clinching the two-cornered contest but finance ministry's reservations over the steep price of the Airbus A330 multi-role tanker transport (MRTT) led to the cancellation of the contract. The A330 MRTT was locked in competition with the Russian IL-78 refuellers.
After operating IL-78 tankers for six years, the air force had made it clear that the Russian platform did not meet its requirements and it wanted to go in for the A330 MRTT. But the finance ministry's doubts over 'reasonableness of price and competitiveness of bids' stacked the odds against Airbus.
Airbus Military's head of market development Didier Vernet said the firm had responded to the defence ministry's fresh request for proposal (global tender) for mid-air refuellers in early January. "We have tough competition but we have a better chance as the A330 MRTT has obtained military certification," he said.
Vernet refused to comment on the cost advantage that the Russians would bring to the table with the IL-78. "The A330 MRTT is a new generation refueller, it cannot be compared with the IL-78" he said.
Russian equipment comes at a cheap upfront price, but questions have been raised about inflated life-cycle costs. Former IAF chief air chief marshal Fali Major said, "There is no doubt that the Airbus platform is far more expensive even if you factor in low life cycle costs, spare support and reliability. But the A330 MRTT scores on technology and that makes it worthwhile in the long run." The defence ministry had floated a tender for six midair refuellers to achieve rapid global mobility four years ago.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Airbus-tosses-its-hat-in-IAF-s-tanker-race/Article1-653911.aspx
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If India don't like the price of MRTT, I would suggest looking at the A400M tanker version.
It can refuel both fast jets and helicopters, has long loiter time and or range depending on how you capitalise your fuel management. MRTT carries 111 tons compared to IL-78 at 85 tons. Being a turbo-prop the maintenance and fuel costs will be lower than all of them. A400M is about half the price of the offered IL-78 so you could buy 10. Not to mention they can easily be reconverted into strategic air lift.
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French AirForce going for Airbus MRTT
France to Buy Airbus Tankers From 2013: Air Force Chief
MoD should place order as soon as MRCA results are announced. Airbus MRTT is the best deal for IAF imo.
France to Buy Airbus Tankers From 2013: Air Force Chief
MoD should place order as soon as MRCA results are announced. Airbus MRTT is the best deal for IAF imo.
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| Purchase of Mirage 2000 and Air Re-Fuellers |
| There is no proposal before the government to buy Mirage 2000 V aircraft. Indian Air Force is processing a case for procurement of six Air to Air Re-fuellers from the global market. The Defence Procurement Procedure envisages a timeline of about two and a half years from the date of issue-of RFP to conclusion of contract in such multi-vendor cases. The delivery scheduleis expected to be between 36 to 51 months from the date of signing the contract. This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in written reply to Shri Anil Madhav Dave in Rajya Sabha today. Press Information Bureau English Releases |
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India to Buy Four Large Amphibious Ships, Air Tankers
Thu, Nov 24, 2011 16:29 CET
A contract has been concluded with M/s GRSE, Kolkata, in September, 2011 for construction of eight Landing Craft, Utility. These ships are likely to be inducted in the Indian Navy during 2013-15.
Defence Acquisition Council has accorded Acceptance of Necessity for induction of four large amphibious ships. Induction of these ships would help to enhance the amphibious lift capability of the Indian Armed Forces. The capability would also be useful for assistance to civil administration, disaster relief and other contingencies.
This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in written reply to Shri MV Mysura Reddy in Rajya Sabha today.
There is no proposal before the government to buy Mirage 2000-5 aircraft.
Indian Air Force is processing a case for procurement of six air to air refuellers from the global market. The Defence Procurement Procedure envisages a timeline of about two and a half years from the date of issue-of RFP to conclusion of contract in such multi-vendor cases.
The delivery schedule is expected to be between 36 to 51 months from the date of signing the contract.
India to Buy Four Large Amphibious Ships, Air Tankers : Defense news
Thu, Nov 24, 2011 16:29 CET
A contract has been concluded with M/s GRSE, Kolkata, in September, 2011 for construction of eight Landing Craft, Utility. These ships are likely to be inducted in the Indian Navy during 2013-15.
Defence Acquisition Council has accorded Acceptance of Necessity for induction of four large amphibious ships. Induction of these ships would help to enhance the amphibious lift capability of the Indian Armed Forces. The capability would also be useful for assistance to civil administration, disaster relief and other contingencies.
This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in written reply to Shri MV Mysura Reddy in Rajya Sabha today.
There is no proposal before the government to buy Mirage 2000-5 aircraft.
Indian Air Force is processing a case for procurement of six air to air refuellers from the global market. The Defence Procurement Procedure envisages a timeline of about two and a half years from the date of issue-of RFP to conclusion of contract in such multi-vendor cases.
The delivery schedule is expected to be between 36 to 51 months from the date of signing the contract.
India to Buy Four Large Amphibious Ships, Air Tankers : Defense news
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Indian Air Force processing case for buying 6 air-to-air refullers
NEW DELHI: Indian Air Force is processing a case for procuring six air-to-air refullers from the global market, Defence Minister A K Antony told Rajya Sabha today.
In written reply to a question on purchase of mid-air refullers, he said, "IAF is processing a case for procurement of six air-to-air refullers from the global market.
Indian Air Force processing case for buying 6 air-to-air refullers - Economic Times
atleast now will IAF buy any refuellers now or will it do like last time. as FM Cancelled Airbus deal.
NEW DELHI: Indian Air Force is processing a case for procuring six air-to-air refullers from the global market, Defence Minister A K Antony told Rajya Sabha today.
In written reply to a question on purchase of mid-air refullers, he said, "IAF is processing a case for procurement of six air-to-air refullers from the global market.
Indian Air Force processing case for buying 6 air-to-air refullers - Economic Times
atleast now will IAF buy any refuellers now or will it do like last time. as FM Cancelled Airbus deal.
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Airbus eyes India deal for aircraft tankers
8 DEC, 2011
LANGKAWI (MALAYSIA): European aircraft giant Airbus is hoping to strike a deal to sell its A330 aerial refuelling tanker aircraft to India, an Airbus official said today.
"India sent a request for proposals late last year. We responded by the end of January. We hope to win the contract," Pablo Quesada, Airbus's head of market development for the aircraft, told.
Speaking at an international maritime and aerospace exhibition on the Malaysia resort island of Langkawi, Quesada declined to give further details.
Sources in the industry said India is looking at acquiring six aircraft but that its long-term needs are far higher.
A successful Airbus bid would make India the fifth buyer for the multi-role tanker aircraft.
The Royal Australian Air Force, the first to operate the new plane, conducted its first international flight from Brisbane to Langkawi for the show.
Russian company Ilyushin is the only other contender for the contract, with its Ilyushin 78 model.
Boeing, which in February beat Airbus in winning a bid to provide 179 air tankers for the US Air Force, has not made an offer to India, the sources said.
The aircraft, which can refuel two planes at the same time, has been ordered by four clients: Australia, Saudi Arabia, Britain and the United Arab Emirates.
France is widely expected to order the plane by 2013 but French officials maintain a decision has not yet been made.
Airbus eyes India deal for aircraft tankers - The Economic Times
8 DEC, 2011
LANGKAWI (MALAYSIA): European aircraft giant Airbus is hoping to strike a deal to sell its A330 aerial refuelling tanker aircraft to India, an Airbus official said today.
"India sent a request for proposals late last year. We responded by the end of January. We hope to win the contract," Pablo Quesada, Airbus's head of market development for the aircraft, told.
Speaking at an international maritime and aerospace exhibition on the Malaysia resort island of Langkawi, Quesada declined to give further details.
Sources in the industry said India is looking at acquiring six aircraft but that its long-term needs are far higher.
A successful Airbus bid would make India the fifth buyer for the multi-role tanker aircraft.
The Royal Australian Air Force, the first to operate the new plane, conducted its first international flight from Brisbane to Langkawi for the show.
Russian company Ilyushin is the only other contender for the contract, with its Ilyushin 78 model.
Boeing, which in February beat Airbus in winning a bid to provide 179 air tankers for the US Air Force, has not made an offer to India, the sources said.
The aircraft, which can refuel two planes at the same time, has been ordered by four clients: Australia, Saudi Arabia, Britain and the United Arab Emirates.
France is widely expected to order the plane by 2013 but French officials maintain a decision has not yet been made.
Airbus eyes India deal for aircraft tankers - The Economic Times
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