IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Neptune]

View attachment 41792 lmao what a balant lie who wrote this repeating the same lie again and again for fulfilling your fake ego. even the Russians also accepted no su30 was shot down.

Here is my contribution to F-16.net, it’s not the full text since it was tool long to take a full screenshot

And who could have guessed that with names of contributors like Azam that there wouldn’t be biases towards Pakistan’s .

 

[MonaLazy]

GOI does not want to embarrass the US arms peddlers

Actually, there is a lot to be gained by putting forth incontrovertible proof of a successful f-16 shoot down & since when did GoI start worrying about American arms dealers?

Consider this- it will ensure the PAF has its tail firmly between its legs for the next 20-25 years until it is AMCA/PAKFA/F-35 vs Azm/FC-31 over the sub-continent.

We must not underestimate the value of H & D pain on PAF- remember it was the ghar main ghus ke mara in Balakot which prompted an immediate aggressive response from PAF to somehow regain some facade of dignity. They got rid of their uneasiness in less than 48 hours! That is how vital Paki public opinion is to them! We should put forth everything in the public domain that undermines their efforts in this direction.

Humiliation for the Pakistani military will loosen their vice grip over Pakistan, maybe Pakis will start questioning their holy cows, maybe real democracy can take root? Fewer resources in their budget for military and more for education, infra, health and such..

Once the American fighters lose their myth of invincibility maybe they can be had for lesser in the MMRCA 2.0 sweepstakes if the GoI so decides.. for engine tech or other geopolitical benefits.

Pricks at PDF may be forced to completely delete the India section.. their noses rubbed thoroughly in the mud vis-a-vis India they can create a mutual masturbation club with Chinese and Turks. From their pov, in 1947 they took Kashmir from India, in 1965 they halted Indian Army on the outskirts of Lahore, 1971 was a conspiracy, 1999 is blamed on Nawaz going weak in the knees, 2016 surgical strike never happened and in 2019 they shot down a SU-30 and a mig-21. We really really need video proof of Paki mil assets going up in flames- to push into their faces just like the surrender photo of 1971.

The Indian visa on Ms Unfair's passport becomes irrelevant.. At a mil fest in Chandi not too far back she bloviated some nonsense to the effect of "integrity is hard to find on this panel".. the panel also had previous Air Chief BS Dhanoa and ex IAF Sameer Joshi.. if and when the proof is out in the open she loses all credibility in Indian mil circles.. Her holier than thou mindset plainly evident in the manner she took on a retired Lt Gen..

As for the arms peddlers, they will always go back to current f-16 operators and sell them the f-21 or f-35 upgrade.

 

[Bleh]

As for F16 shoot down one of members talked to Abhi who did the actual shooting.

Where? Who? More on this please.

Actually, there is a lot to be gained by putting forth incontrovertible proof of a successful f-16 shoot down

We don't have any “incontrovertible proof” to put forth, only circumstancial evidence like that parachutes video or radar data.
R-73 is a pretty shit missile & one fired from a Tejas in exercise missed even a target drone... There's always a probability that the F-16 was only damaged or dived behind a hill. No image of the wreckage, satellite or otherwise, has still been found.

Why does it even matter, this Mig-21 vs F-16? We lose one Mig-21 every few months anyway.

Look at the big picture, objective wise!
Our guys penetrated hundred kilometres in their territory unchallenged & came back after successfully eliminating targets, proved by the jihadis not parading those 25 terrorists claimed dead by GOI, no matter how many craters the Paki blow up... While they couldn't even cross the border despite having local numerical superiority (their only achievement) & even missed the (well chosen) targets.

 

[MonaLazy]

don't have any “incontrovertible proof”

then the Pakis will keep winning the perception war.. adept as they are at spinning yarns upon yarns of heroic folklore pulled out of their behinds..

Irrespective of R-73's reputation.. our infantry units this side of the LC saw the plane going down.. Wing Co Abhinandan and IAF (ACM, no less, bet his bottom dollar) says they shot it down- it is sacrilege to even think otherwise.

Surely you don't think the DG ISPR would have planted the doosra banda willfully?

All I'm saying is we need evidence to back up our claims.. no photo, didn't happen is the way of the world..

We lose one Mi-21 every few months anyway

this chalta hai attitude is wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to..

 

[IndianHawk]

Thats what I thought too. But even on acig and on that f-16 fanboy page, people were not convinced. I then thought propaganda has some power too.

F16 page are f16 fanboys. They are idiots. They want France Germany to stop fcas program because f35 is here. Such is the level of delusion these morons live with .

 

[fire starter]

Where? Who? More on this please. We don't have any “incontrovertible proof” to put forth, only circumstancial evidence like that parachutes video or radar data.
R-73 is a pretty shit missile & one fired from a Tejas in exercise missed even a target drone... There's always a probability that the F-16 was only damaged or dived behind a hill. No image of the wreckage, satellite or otherwise, has still been found.

Why does it even matter, this Mig-21 vs F-16? We lose one Mig-21 every few months anyway.

Look at the big picture, objective wise!
Our guys penetrated hundred kilometres in their territory unchallenged & came back after successfully eliminating targets, proved by the jihadis not parading those 25 terrorists claimed dead by GOI, no matter how many craters the Paki blow up... While they couldn't even cross the border despite having local numerical superiority (their only achievement) & even missed the (well chosen) targets.

then where are other 2 pilots and what about radar signature and radio intercepts it clearly says they they lost f16 .

 

[IndianHawk]

The proof lies in pudding. After air exchange porky kept their air space closed for months!!

If porky won the exchange the why did they closed airspace for so long?? Only the loosing side closes airspace after air battle. The winning side establishes superiority and has nothing to fear hence winners airspace opens faster and remains open . Which is India in this case.

 

[Neptune]

then the Pakis will keep winning the perception war.. adept as they are at spinning yarns upon yarns of heroic folklore pulled out of their behinds..

Irrespective of R-73's reputation.. our infantry units this side of the LC saw the plane going down.. Wing Co Abhinandan and IAF (ACM, no less, bet his bottom dollar) says they shot it down- it is sacrilege to even think otherwise.

Surely you don't think the DG ISPR would have planted the doosra banda willfully?

All I'm saying is we need evidence to back up our claims.. no photo, didn't happen is the way of the world..



this chalta hai attitude is wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to..

True, the Pakistanis run to foreign journalists claiming kills and most being westerners will take Pakistan at face value, they also paint kill marks on aircraft then flood the internet with the images, they make museums dedicated to the skirmish, they make fake monuments with fake wreckage and hold fake award ceremonies where they invite foreign military observers only to boast about fake kills. Moreover, they go to wikipedia and edit it to reflect Pakistan propaganda; some of their minions at places like F-16.net will gladly and openly spread unvaried Pakistani heresy and propaganda as though it’s fact.

India can’t compete. India presented radar imagery which is something but not enormous to inconclusively prove anything. It is, however, more proof then Pakistan has provided of an SU-30 kill which has amount to zero proof.


In the next future skirmish or war India needs to provide HUD, radar, satellite and voice data to completely dismantle the Pakistani propaganda machine. None of this is classified since even the US provides such information. It would surly embarrass Pakistan, once Pakistan comes out claiming X aircraft was shot down India would just provide HUD footage of that aircraft during combat and then after combat as it returns to land.

 

[fire starter]

True, the Pakistanis run to foreign journalists claiming kills and most being westerners will take Pakistan at face value, they also paint kill marks on aircraft then flood the internet with the images, they make museums dedicated to the skirmish, they make fake monuments with fake wreckage and hold fake award ceremonies where they invite foreign military observers only to boast about fake kills. Moreover, they go to wikipedia and edit it to reflect Pakistan propaganda; some of their minions at places like F-16.net will gladly and openly spread unvaried Pakistani heresy and propaganda as though it’s fact.

India can’t compete. India presented radar imagery which is something but not enormous to inconclusively prove anything. It is, however, more proof then Pakistan has provided of an SU-30 kill which has amount to zero proof.


In the next future skirmish or war India needs to provide HUD, radar, satellite and voice data to completely dismantle the Pakistani propaganda machine. None of this is classified since even the US provides such information. It would surly embarrass Pakistan, once Pakistan comes out claiming X aircraft was shot down India would just provide HUD footage of that aircraft during combat and then after combat as it returns to land.

do u have idea of HUD video of mig21 during shoot down .bcz similarly when American f16 was shot down in past the whole video of HUD was recorded it is even on YouTube.

 

[fire starter]

do u have idea of HUD video of mig21 during shoot down .

True, the Pakistanis run to foreign journalists claiming kills and most being westerners will take Pakistan at face value, they also paint kill marks on aircraft then flood the internet with the images, they make museums dedicated to the skirmish, they make fake monuments with fake wreckage and hold fake award ceremonies where they invite foreign military observers only to boast about fake kills. Moreover, they go to wikipedia and edit it to reflect Pakistan propaganda; some of their minions at places like F-16.net will gladly and openly spread unvaried Pakistani heresy and propaganda as though it’s fact.

India can’t compete. India presented radar imagery which is something but not enormous to inconclusively prove anything. It is, however, more proof then Pakistan has provided of an SU-30 kill which has amount to zero proof.


In the next future skirmish or war India needs to provide HUD, radar, satellite and voice data to completely dismantle the Pakistani propaganda machine. None of this is classified since even the US provides such information. It would surly embarrass Pakistan, once Pakistan comes out claiming X aircraft was shot down India would just provide HUD footage of that aircraft during combat and then after combat as it returns to land.

satellite images,radio and radar intercepts are still not enough against propaganda state Pakistan they can easily manipulate anything as there is no media presence in pakistan.

 

[MonaLazy]

Pakistani heresy

All good points and then there's this-

The Pakistanis lie with more confidence than we tell the truth with & frankly, that's disheartening..

 

[IndianHawk]

All good points and then there's this-

The Pakistanis lie with more confidence than we tell the truth with & frankly, that's disheartening..

Porky were lying before Dhaka surrender too. Today they are again hiding their shortcomings by lying yet they were forced to close their air space for months. These lies will only weaken their preparation as they can't reform with such delusion. India will only grow stronger with honest introspection and remedy.

Don't interrupt your enemy while he is making mistakes.

 

[fire starter]

Porky were lying before Dhaka surrender too. Today they are again hiding their shortcomings by lying yet they were forced to close their air space for months. These lies will only weaken their preparation as they can't reform with such delusion. India will only grow stronger with honest introspection and remedy.

Don't interrupt your enemy while he is making mistakes.

I am damn sure we will know about the shot down of f16 within 10 yrs and that too from the mouth of ex Pakistan general.

 

[Bleh]

then the Pakis will keep winning the perception war...

That's common attitude of all middle-eastern muzzie nations, but wouldn't make the 25 jihadi leaders or the "dusra banda" of the second parachute any less dead.

India crushed their sprit once in 1971, if that's what you think an objective. But look at them again now!
They lost Kashmir, East Pak, Shiachen, probably strategic points on LOC & still fap at winning 3 of 4 wars with India. No amount of proof would change their mind... Let them print badges & paint jets & produce memorials. Their propaganda won't change the fact that our grip on Kashmir today, is stronger than ever before.

Victory in perception war will only get make-believe achievements, real one produces more concrete gains & that's what we should concentrate on. Germany lost the actual war... no matter how many times Goebbels said otherwise, it just didn't become true.

radio intercepts it clearly says they they lost f16 .

I missed this one... Do you remember any link?

 

[IndianHawk]

I am damn sure we will know about the shot down of f16 within 10 yrs and that too from the mouth of ex Pakistan general.

Americans have confirmed it just not openly. American will participate in air exercise with of where iaf pilots may use badges of falcon slayer and amraam Dodgers. Americans have no issues at all.

 

[AnantS]

Americans have confirmed it just not openly. American will participate in air exercise with of where iaf pilots may use badges of falcon slayer and amraam Dodgers. Americans have no issues at all.

thats news. Any links about hinting so?

 

[IndianHawk]

thats news. Any links about hinting so?

Mouth to mouth pilots network. Read the leaves American air force or pentagon haven't commented on the matter since. This is tacit approval.

 

[Foxbat]

Perfect example of biased Western media and Indian media also:

Afghan plane crash: Mystery over crash in Taliban territory
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51264744

More than 12 hours have passed since news of the crash came with various news agencies claiming it is an Afghan passenger aircraft and may have been a 737-400. Obviously the US military immediately knew it was one of their planes and may have been shot down by the Taliban but are still playing dumb along with all major new agencies.

When the Ukranian 737 was shot down the US knew immediately, however when its one of theirs they never seem to know.

Wreckage clearly shows its a Bombardier E-11A jet, a US Air Force plane.


and then we want them to confirm the PAF F-16 loss when there is no wreckage!

 

[vampyrbladez]

View attachment 41792 lmao what a balant lie who wrote this repeating the same lie again and again for fulfilling your fake ego. even the Russians also accepted no su30 was shot down.

Paki ******s get BTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Assassin 2.0]

I was watching a food vlog of Amristar and restaurant owner said he started his business few days before 1965 war and fun part is he said that after few days of continues war Pakistan started to lie that they have captured Amritsar and meanwhile chaps here were freely traveling in buses and etc and everyone used to have a good laugh on how porki lie without any moral guilt.