Hypersonic Missile NonproliferationHindering the Spread of a New Class of Weapons

[no smoking]

Are there any definitive articles and pics which show K-15 had a hypersonic boost glide warhead?

So far, the similar warheads tested by American, Russian and Chinese were all carried by ICBM only as they are simply too big and heavy.

 

[Khagesh]

So far, the similar warheads tested by American, Russian and Chinese were all carried by ICBM only as they are simply too big and heavy.

Bhaijaan, with all due respect, why don't you think a little before you say something.

Could any of the hypersonic gliders tested by USA, Russia or China have been on a powered flight to hypersonic regime? They are all gliders for gods sakes.

Given that they were all gliders, then do the air molecules care at all, as to the scale of the glider? And if the air molecules do not care then why bring in the argument that an ICBM is needed to test a hypesonic glider because the glider is 'heavy'.

And does India lack access to missiles beyond the K-15 class.

Please do not bring in such crazy ideas. You may actually end up injecting these false ideas into impressionable minds.

 

[sayareakd]

So far, the similar warheads tested by American, Russian and Chinese were all carried by ICBM only as they are simply too big and heavy.

You guys belive in big and expensive, we have shown tech demo, then K4 tested which is upscale K15 with modifications.
K5, k6 & k7 in pipeline. Already teated two hypersonic engines on ATV, this year HSTDV will be tested.

That Hypersonic engine will be up to RLV.

We are ahread of what RAND and China thinks we are.

 

[no smoking]

Bhaijaan, with all due respect, why don't you think a little before you say something.

Could any of the hypersonic gliders tested by USA, Russia or China have been on a powered flight to hypersonic regime? They are all gliders for gods sakes.

Given that they were all gliders, then do the air molecules care at all, as to the scale of the glider? And if the air molecules do not care then why bring in the argument that an ICBM is needed to test a hypesonic glider because the glider is 'heavy'.

Maybe before you jump in, you should use your brain to think about 2 things which every warhead design has to sort out: heat and air resistance.

And does India lack access to missiles beyond the K-15 class.

The question how does India get its glider so small and so light that is able to fit in K-15.

 

[no smoking]

You guys belive in big and expensive, we have shown tech demo, then K4 tested which is upscale K15 with modifications.

Your claim is very funny: all 3 countries spent decades and billions of dollars to minimize their warheads, then suddenly they start to believe in big and expensive?

K5, k6 & k7 in pipeline. Already teated two hypersonic engines on ATV, this year HSTDV will be tested.
at Hypersonic engine will be up to RLV.
We are ahread of what RAND and China thinks we are.

Oh, kid, you claim that India is not only ahead of whoever thinks you are, but 15-20 years ahead of everyone on this planet.

 

[gslv markIII]

Oh, kid, you claim that India is not only ahead of whoever thinks you are, but 15-20 years ahead of everyone on this planet.

Nice rhetoric, from the same guy who dismissed the credibility of a slide from a 'drdo presentation' because 'it didn't look professional enough'.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Nice rhetoric, from the same guy who dismissed the credibility of a slide from a 'drdo presentation' because 'it didn't look professional enough'.

Could you provide that slide to us.

 

[sayareakd]

Check out @sayareakd’s Tweet:

 

[abingdonboy]

US think tank is trying to create yet another elitist "club" once again trying to keep out India and the clowns in Delhi want to lick the boots of these a-holes?

Honestly the slave mentality of so many Indians is hard to comprehend, it's like they enjoy being considered inferior!

 

[Khagesh]

Maybe before you jump in, you should use your brain to think about 2 things which every warhead design has to sort out: heat and air resistance.

Heat and air resistance is not such a big challenge now with almost the whole world having its own IRBMs etc. You are raising an issue that was relevant and solved and then the world began building up on the basis of the building blocks already completed. HGVs are not some Kryptonian tech. Only the applications are special and the fact that it is a sweet technical solution to a lot of problems. And the fact that there is a great developmental path that the HGVs open up.

Experiments are essentially required for controlled flight or skipping along on the the upper atmosphere and hypersonic descent. Later on they will add propulsion and most likely there will not be any explosive warheads involved ever so they will require re-experimenting on the final maneuvers at sometime in future.

DF-ZF is meant for between 5-10 mach experiments.

India has carried out its own experiments at Mach 5 till date.

Size has nothing to do with the difficulties involved. China too can experiment right now with smaller HGV and India can do the same with larger ones too.

China is ahead in the race but not terribly so. India will cross the river when India reaches the river.

The question how does India get its glider so small and so light that is able to fit in K-15.

K-15 is a BGRV. Unitary warhead getting maneuvered into position at hypersonic velocities. As usual we are the 5th or 6th nation to do it. Which is what irks me too but its something I cannot avoid.

If you are interested in checking out what India is doing then you can refer the open source material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Flight_Experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLV_Technology_Demonstration_Programme

This was a demonstration for a basic two-stage-to-orbit (TSTO) fully re-usable launch vehicle. Launched on 23 May, 2016.

After a successful lift that lasted 91.1 seconds to a height of about 56 km, the RLV-TD separated from the 9-ton HS9 booster and further ascended to a height of about 65 km. The RLV-TD then began its descent at about Mach 5 (five times the speed of sound). The vehicle's navigation, guidance and control systems accurately steered the vehicle during this phase for a controlled splashdown down to the defined landing spot

Configuration[edit]

First stage: live, 9 ton solid booster (S-9)

Second stage: dummy (scramjet will be used in the future)

Objectives[edit]

HEX was the first test flight of a reusable launch vehicle developed by India. The test flight objectives included:[3]
Validating the aerodynamic design characteristics during hypersonic flight
Characterize induced loads during the hypersonic descent through the atmosphere
Assess the performance of the carbon fibre used in construction of the nose of the vehicle
Demonstrate first stage separation sequencing

Now this was hypersonic descent at a mere Mach 5 or about 1.2 kmps.

The following one demonstrated the upper atmosphere skipping maneuver at 5 kmps and achieving the correct re-entry position to finally enable the survival of crew, equipment (which obviously has military applications too). But is not about hypersonic descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_Module_Atmospheric_Re-entry_Experiment

check out the full details of the flight. Notice at what parts of the trajectory it achieves the max velocity for the ranges involved. Esp. this portion:

325.7 seconds - L110 separation - Nominal: Relative Velocity 4.95 km/s, Range 570.5 km, Altitude 125.4 km, Azimuth 121.1 degrees

330.8 seconds - CARE module separation - Nominal: Relative Velocity 4.96 km/s, Range 599.5 km, Altitude 125.1 km, Azimuth 121.1 degrees

341.0 seconds - CARE module CLG started - Nominal: Relative Velocity 4.96 km/s, Range 633.1 km, Altitude 125.2 km, Azimuth 121.1 degrees

385.5 seconds -CARE module in ballistic descent - Nominal: Relative Velocity 4.93 km/s, Range 858.8 km, Altitude 116.6 km, Azimuth 121.0 degrees

Don't try to impose the superiority of the exotic middle kingdom tech here.

 

[sayareakd]

US think tank is trying to create yet another elitist "club" once again trying to keep out India and the clowns in Delhi want to lick the boots of these a-holes?

They tried it last time, finally they had call us in after 27 years, we ended up as self reliant in missiles.

We made so much progress that they cant keep us out.

If they do that, it will fail for the very start.

 

[sayareakd]

Your claim is very funny: all 3 countries spent decades and billions of dollars to minimize their warheads, then suddenly they start to believe in big and expensive?

Its not funny, good example is Mars mission, which was on shoe string budget and it was sucessful. Not to forget China spend millions and didnt get it.

If money is only criteria, then despite spending millions, China would have perfected the modern jet engine by now.

Oh, kid, you claim that India is not only ahead of whoever thinks you are, but 15-20 years ahead of everyone on this planet.

I am neither kid, nor fanboy. What ever WU 14 or any other hypersonic glider you have tested, we perfected that tech in 2010.

Even the BMD warhead for which you guys have given award, was perfected long ago.

 

[Flame Thrower]

They tried it last time, finally they had call us in after 27 years, we ended up as self reliant in missiles.

We made so much progress that they cant keep us out.

If they do that, it will fail for the very start.

Anup ji, you're missing the prime reason to keep India out i.e., Brahmos Mk2. What is the use if India is in the circle.

West sabotaged our Cryo program resulting at least 15 yrs of delay. Now, they want to delay Brahmos Mk2.

 

[Aghore_King]

Heat and air resistance is not such a big challenge now with almost the whole world having its own IRBMs etc. You are raising an issue that was relevant and solved and then the world began building up on the basis of the building blocks already completed. HGVs are not some Kryptonian tech. Only the applications are special and the fact that it is a sweet technical solution to a lot of problems. And the fact that there is a great developmental path that the HGVs open up.

Experiments are essentially required for controlled flight or skipping along on the the upper atmosphere and hypersonic descent. Later on they will add propulsion and most likely there will not be any explosive warheads involved ever so they will require re-experimenting on the final maneuvers at sometime in future.

DF-ZF is meant for between 5-10 mach experiments.

India has carried out its own experiments at Mach 5 till date.

Size has nothing to do with the difficulties involved. China too can experiment right now with smaller HGV and India can do the same with larger ones too.

China is ahead in the race but not terribly so. India will cross the river when India reaches the river.



K-15 is a BGRV. Unitary warhead getting maneuvered into position at hypersonic velocities. As usual we are the 5th or 6th nation to do it. Which is what irks me too but its something I cannot avoid.

If you are interested in checking out what India is doing then you can refer the open source material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Flight_Experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLV_Technology_Demonstration_Programme

This was a demonstration for a basic two-stage-to-orbit (TSTO) fully re-usable launch vehicle. Launched on 23 May, 2016.



Now this was hypersonic descent at a mere Mach 5 or about 1.2 kmps.

The following one demonstrated the upper atmosphere skipping maneuver at 5 kmps and achieving the correct re-entry position to finally enable the survival of crew, equipment (which obviously has military applications too). But is not about hypersonic descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_Module_Atmospheric_Re-entry_Experiment

check out the full details of the flight. Notice at what parts of the trajectory it achieves the max velocity for the ranges involved. Esp. this portion:



Don't try to impose the superiority of the exotic middle kingdom tech here.

Its not funny, good example is Mars mission, which was on shoe string budget and it was sucessful. Not to forget China spend millions and didnt get it.

If money is only criteria, then despite spending millions, China would have perfected the modern jet engine by now.



I am neither kid, nor fanboy. What ever WU 14 or any other hypersonic glider you have tested, we perfected that tech in 2010.

Even the BMD warhead for which you guys have given award, was perfected long ago.

Brutalll.........
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[Bornubus]

Oh, kid, you claim that India is not only ahead of whoever thinks you are, but 15-20 years ahead of everyone on this planet.

So you call a moderator on an Indian forum 'a kid' who is trying to do a logical debate although you cry to same mods like an unpaid slut whenever any Indian member treats you the same.



Bc tera bhi vohi haal he ke China ke military or science me Etna development hua ki 'vikas pagal ho gaya'

 

[Vijyes]

These buggers are talking about npt of hypersonic missiles and next in line is npt of asat weapons ....we need to develop our programs fast.....

We have all of that. ASAT is nothing but Agni5 with interceptors.

 

[sayareakd]

We have all of that. ASAT is nothing but Agni5 with interceptors.

ASAT is easier than BMD, as satellite as predictable path, just send A4 with PAD or PDV warhead.

 

[sayareakd]

Maybe before you jump in, you should use your brain to think about 2 things which every warhead design has to sort out: heat and air resistance.

Both issues taken care and even discussed by Arun.

The question how does India get its glider so small and so light that is able to fit in K-15.

We did it baby. ..............

 

[Vijyes]

ASAT is easier than BMD, as satellite as predictable path, just send A4 with PAD or PDV warhead.

Agni 4 may have long range but not enough altitude. Agni 5 is needed to strike satellite at 700km-800km LEO orbit. For GEO, another PSLV will be needed as it is 36000km high. But, most remote sensing satellite can't work from that height. They need LEO for better resolution.

 

[Kay]

Hypersonic missiles will pose a problem to the current world power structure. It's a disruptive force - so world powers enjoying world domination are right to be extremely worried.