Greece - SYRIZA, in the margin of the Eurozone

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Finnish and Greece GDP is about the same, but you have twice the population. 370 billion, that is almost ten years Finnish government budget ( 40-45 Bn a year ). You really have borrowed like there was no tomorrow. Was there anybody sober in your Government for the last ten years?
 

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One more conspiracy to hide sins of our govt establishment, who failed to deliver many things to their citizens.
not really the govt has hidden their role
 

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Tsipras speach to european parliament .. warm support to NO noticed..
 

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the Battle_of_Crete
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Crete

https://www.google.com/search?q=η+μ...&ei=uPicVe-pJIWksgHDyouADw&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQsAQ
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Cretan civilians joined the battle with whatever weapons were at hand. In some cases, ancient matchlock rifles which had last been used against the Turks were dug up from their hiding places and pressed into action. Civilians went into action armed only with what they could gather from their kitchens or barns and several German parachutists were knifed or clubbed to death in olive groves. An elderly Cretan man clubbed a parachutist to death with his walking cane, before the German could disentangle himself from his parachute.[67] A priest and his son broke into a village museum and took two rifles from the era of theBalkan Wars and sniped German paratroops at a landing zones. The Cretans used captured German small arms and civilians joined in the Greek counter-attacks at Kastelli Hill and Paleochora; the British and New Zealand advisors at these locations were hard pressed to prevent massacres. Civilians also checked the Germans to the north and west of Heraklion and in the town centre.[68]

This was the first occasion that the Germans encountered widespread resistance from a civilian population and were surprised. After the shock, the Germans retaliated, killing many Cretan civilians. The Holocaust of Viannos (Greek: Ολοκαύτωμα της Βιάννου and the Massacre of Kondomari (Σφαγή στο Κοντομαρί) were exterminations of civilians of around 20 villages east of Viannos and west of Ierapetra provinces. The killings, with a death toll in excess of 500, were carried out from 14–16 September 1943, by Wehrmacht units. They were accompanied by the burning of most villages, and the looting and destruction of harvests.[69][70] The massacres were some of the deadliest of the Axis occupation of Greece during World War II. It was ordered by Generalleutnant Friedrich-Wilhelm Müller, in retaliation for the involvement of the local population in the Cretan resistance. Müller, "the Butcher of Crete", was killed after the war for his part in the massacre. As most Cretan partisans wore no uniforms or insignia such as armbands or headbands, the Germans felt free of all of the constraints of the Hague conventions and killed armed and unarmed civilians indiscriminately.[a]


No wonder why in CRETA the NO (OXI) got more then 70%
and this under the terror of EU with CLOSED banks and threats from ALL EU leaders in favor of the YES !!

from the memorial service, in a church in Anogia, of one of the executed leaders of the Cretan resistance

at 5:15 you can hear the shooting. It is estimated that there 10ns of thousands kalashnikofs in Creta at the moment , privetly (and illegally) owned
 
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@arpakola, I think you should cut down the Ouzo
and get some sleep.
Hitler so admired the Greek resistance to the invading German army in WW2 that he ordered the release of all Greek POWs for "their gallant bearing".

http://throwback.omgfacts.com/lists...e-of-all-Greek-POWs-for-their-gallant-bearing


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Greece demands €278bn WWII reparations from Germany - more than its debt to EU
http://rt.com/news/247353-greece-germany-reparations-billions/
 
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Hitler so admired the Greek resistance to the invading German army in WW2 that he ordered the release of all Greek POWs for "their gallant bearing".

http://throwback.omgfacts.com/lists...e-of-all-Greek-POWs-for-their-gallant-bearing


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Greece demands €278bn WWII reparations from Germany - more than its debt to EU
http://rt.com/news/247353-greece-germany-reparations-billions/
You are now facing a new battle, now it is more internal, but Greece will prevail also this battle.
 

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/greek-p...or-impasse-1436348229?mod=djemalertEuropenews
Greece formally requested a three-year bailout from the eurozone’s rescue fund Wednesday and pledged to start implementing some of the overhauls demanded by creditors by early next week, according to a copy of the request seen by The Wall Street Journal.


Crucially for Greece’s creditors, the letter says the government would start implementing some measures, including on taxation and pensions, by the beginning of next week, though it doesn’t go into details.


The letter is a first step toward fulfilling a demand by international creditors, who have given Athens until Sunday to come up with tougher measures they would impose in return for desperately needed financing that could keep the country from bankruptcy and even worse economic turmoil.


The full list of overhauls and budget cuts is what will determine whether the application for a new rescue program will be approved by the rest of the eurozone. The currency union’s leaders said Tuesday they would assess whether it makes sense to start formal negotiations on a bailout program at an emergency summit on Sunday.
AUSTERITY IS COMING
 

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They are two different things...............British Rule in India (1858 to 1947) and Company Rule in India (1757 to 1858).

The first Indian railway started in 1853, between Bombay and Thane. Which was built during "Company Rule in India" .

What else you can expect from a company?

British Rule in India was not better. It doesn't mean that all the other governments were also not better.

And I never gone in Goa, but many times in Diu and Daman.

If you go to Diu then don't forget to visit Fudam village.

Many people from that village are in Portugal.
Yes as I said, many self esteem lacking Indians like western masters . throw a few bones and you get loyal puppies in return. How else do you think britshits managed to rule over millions here in India with just a few lakh? For those few loyal puppies , the britshits rule(or Portuguese in your example) would indeed be better than Indian rule, seeing as they had lost their masters. Take bobby jindal or his likes of NRI , they wouldn't mind selling their mothers for a few brownie points from their masters. Does not mean rest of India thinks the same nor does it mean what they are saying is true.
 

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Panic wipes £2tn off Chinese shares
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/03/chinas-stock-market-slump-continues


China’s efforts this week to stem the tide of losses on its main stock market failed on Friday when the Shanghai Composite index plunged a further 5.8%, taking the drop in share values to 28% since their June peak. Panic selling wiped more than £2tn off the value of Chinese-listed companies and traders signalled the rout would extend into next week. The authorities had cut fees and eased borrowing rules that make it cheaper to buy shares in the hope it would cheer investors battered by the relentless selling since 12 June.

the Greek 3 year bailout cost is only 45Billion...
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/b...tory-echoed-in-greece.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0
Germans Forget Postwar History Lesson on Debt Relief in Greece Crisis

As negotiations between Greece and its creditors stumbled toward breakdown, culminating in a sound rejection on Sunday by Greek voters of the conditions demanded in exchange for a financial lifeline, a vintage photo resurfaced on the Internet.

It shows Hermann Josef Abs, head of the Federal Republic of Germany’s delegation in London on Feb. 27, 1953, signing the agreement that effectively cut the country’s debts to its foreign creditors in half.

It is an image that still resonates today. To critics of Germany’s insistence that Athens must agree to more painful austerity before any sort of debt relief can be put on the table, it serves as a blunt retort: The main creditor demanding that Greeks be made to pay for past profligacy benefited not so long ago from more lenient terms than it is now prepared to offer.

But beyond serving as a reminder of German hypocrisy, the image offers a more important lesson: These sorts of things have been dealt with successfully before.
 

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Yes as I said, many self esteem lacking Indians like western masters . throw a few bones and you get loyal puppies in return. How else do you think britshits managed to rule over millions here in India with just a few lakh? For those few loyal puppies , the britshits rule(or Portuguese in your example) would indeed be better than Indian rule, seeing as they had lost their masters. Take bobby jindal or his likes of NRI , they wouldn't mind selling their mothers for a few brownie points from their masters. Does not mean rest of India thinks the same nor does it mean what they are saying is true.
Traitor sellouts like NDTV etc were always there in one form or the other.
 

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no worries.. deep waters is our element..
Those outside of Europe may be surprised to learn that Germany's exports ($1.5 trillion) are roughly equal to the exports of the U.S. (1.6 trillion), and compare favorably with China's $2.3 trillion in exports, given that Germany's population of 81 million is a mere 6% of China's 1.3 billion and 25% of America's population of 317 million.
German GDP in 2014: $3.82 trillion
Chinese GDP in 2014: $10.36 trillion
U.S. GDP in 2014: $17.42 trillion
Germany's dependence on exports places it in the mercantilist camp, countries that depend heavily on exports for their growth and profits. Other (non-oil-exporting) nations that routinely generate large trade surpluses include China, Taiwan and the Netherlands.
While Germany's exports rose an astonishing 65% from 2000 to 2008, its domestic demand flatlined near zero. Without strong export growth, Germany's economy would have been at a standstill. The Netherlands is also a big exporter (trade surplus of $33 billion) even though its population is relatively tiny, at only 16 million. The "consumer" countries, on the other hand, run large current-account (trade) deficits and large government deficits. Italy, for instance, runs a structural trade deficit and its total public debt is a whopping 137% of GDP.
Here's the problem when debtor/importer eurozone members such as Greece go broke and default: Who is left standing to buy all the mercantilist exporters' goods? Ultimately, much of those goods were purchased with debt, and when debtor nations default, the credit spigot is turned off: no more borrowing, no more money to buy Dutch, German and Chinese exports.
This chart illustrates the dynamic between mercantilist and consumer nations:

Although the euro was supposed to create efficiencies by removing the costs of multiple currencies, it has had a subtly pernicious disregard for the underlying efficiencies of each eurozone economy.
Though German wages are generous, the German government, industry and labor unions have kept a lid on production costs even as exports leaped. As a result, the cost of labor per unit of output -- the wages required to produce a widget -- rose a mere 5.8% in Germany in the 2000-09 period, while equivalent labor costs in Ireland, Greece, Spain and Italy rose by roughly 30%.
The consequences of these asymmetries in productivity, debt and trade deficits within the eurozone are subtle. In effect, the euro gave mercantilist Germany a structural competitive advantage by locking the importing nations into a currency that makes German goods cheaper than the importers' domestically produced goods.
Put another way: By holding down production costs and becoming more efficient than its eurozone neighbors, Germany engineered a de facto "devaluation" within the eurozone by lowering the labor-per-unit costs of its goods.
The euro has another deceptively harmful consequence: The currency's overall strength enables debtor nations to rapidly expand their borrowing at low rates of interest. In effect, the euro masks the internal weaknesses of debtor nations running unsustainable deficits and those whose economies had become precariously dependent on the housing bubble (Ireland and Spain) for growth and taxes.
Prior to the euro, whenever overconsumption and overborrowing began hindering an importer-consumer economy, the imbalance was corrected by an adjustment in the value of the importer's currency. This currency devaluation would restore the supply-demand and credit-debt balances between mercantilist and consumer nations.
Absent the euro today, the Greek drachma would fall in value versus the German mark, effectively raising the cost of German goods to Greeks, who would then buy fewer German products. Greece's trade deficit would shrink, and lenders would demand higher rates for Greek government bonds, effectively forcing the government to reduce its borrowing and deficit spending.
 

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Those outside of Europe may be surprised to learn that Germany's exports ($1.5 trillion) are roughly equal to the exports of the U.S. (1.6 trillion), and compare favorably with China's $2.3 trillion in exports, given that Germany's population of 81 million is a mere 6% of China's 1.3 billion and 25% of America's population of 317 million.
German GDP in 2014: $3.82 trillion
Chinese GDP in 2014: $10.36 trillion
U.S. GDP in 2014: $17.42 trillion
Germany's dependence on exports places it in the mercantilist camp, countries that depend heavily on exports for their growth and profits. Other (non-oil-exporting) nations that routinely generate large trade surpluses include China, Taiwan and the Netherlands.
While Germany's exports rose an astonishing 65% from 2000 to 2008, its domestic demand flatlined near zero. Without strong export growth, Germany's economy would have been at a standstill. The Netherlands is also a big exporter (trade surplus of $33 billion) even though its population is relatively tiny, at only 16 million. The "consumer" countries, on the other hand, run large current-account (trade) deficits and large government deficits. Italy, for instance, runs a structural trade deficit and its total public debt is a whopping 137% of GDP.
Here's the problem when debtor/importer eurozone members such as Greece go broke and default: Who is left standing to buy all the mercantilist exporters' goods? Ultimately, much of those goods were purchased with debt, and when debtor nations default, the credit spigot is turned off: no more borrowing, no more money to buy Dutch, German and Chinese exports.
This chart illustrates the dynamic between mercantilist and consumer nations:

Although the euro was supposed to create efficiencies by removing the costs of multiple currencies, it has had a subtly pernicious disregard for the underlying efficiencies of each eurozone economy.
Though German wages are generous, the German government, industry and labor unions have kept a lid on production costs even as exports leaped. As a result, the cost of labor per unit of output -- the wages required to produce a widget -- rose a mere 5.8% in Germany in the 2000-09 period, while equivalent labor costs in Ireland, Greece, Spain and Italy rose by roughly 30%.
The consequences of these asymmetries in productivity, debt and trade deficits within the eurozone are subtle. In effect, the euro gave mercantilist Germany a structural competitive advantage by locking the importing nations into a currency that makes German goods cheaper than the importers' domestically produced goods.
Put another way: By holding down production costs and becoming more efficient than its eurozone neighbors, Germany engineered a de facto "devaluation" within the eurozone by lowering the labor-per-unit costs of its goods.
The euro has another deceptively harmful consequence: The currency's overall strength enables debtor nations to rapidly expand their borrowing at low rates of interest. In effect, the euro masks the internal weaknesses of debtor nations running unsustainable deficits and those whose economies had become precariously dependent on the housing bubble (Ireland and Spain) for growth and taxes.
Prior to the euro, whenever overconsumption and overborrowing began hindering an importer-consumer economy, the imbalance was corrected by an adjustment in the value of the importer's currency. This currency devaluation would restore the supply-demand and credit-debt balances between mercantilist and consumer nations.
Absent the euro today, the Greek drachma would fall in value versus the German mark, effectively raising the cost of German goods to Greeks, who would then buy fewer German products. Greece's trade deficit would shrink, and lenders would demand higher rates for Greek government bonds, effectively forcing the government to reduce its borrowing and deficit spending.
and 40% of German exports are to China..
so the Chinese wave may come to europe very fast
 

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