Give Kashmir to Pakistan

[Villager]

Here is some nutral reporting from most prestigious media outlet on horrors of rape even by Indian army on innocent Kashmiri women. Doesn't this behavior make us proud Indians sad?

....When India was waging its struggle for freedom, did it wait to eliminate caste biases, religious intolerance or patriarchy?

Source: Al Jazeera News

So you would not answer me?......

 

[aditya10r]

Get this MOFO OUTTA HERE .............................................

 

[reddevil9]

@Dark Lord puke your despicable sikular dorky rants somewhere else, in layman terms "अपनी गांड कहीं और जाकर मरा चूतिये"
Unabashed bastard just keeps decimating the threads.

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Here is some nutral reporting from most prestigious media outlet on horrors of rape even by Indian army on innocent Kashmiri women. Doesn't this behavior make us proud Indians sad?

Kashmir: A look at the Kunan Poshpora rapes
Writers Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather discuss the impact of militarisation on Kashmiri women and men.

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Butt and Natasha Rather, along with three others, co-wrote the book Do you Remember Kunan Poshpora'?, published earlier this year [Urvashi Sakar/Al Jazeera]

By
Urvashi Sarkar





Twenty-five years have passed since the 1991 incident in which Indian army soldiers allegedly raped between 23 and 100 women in Kashmir’s Kunan and Poshpora villages during a search operation.

The Indian army has denied the accusations and a delayed investigation of the incident concluded that the allegations were “worthless” and no one was prosecuted for the alleged crimes.

But, in 2013, a group of 50 women, including the authors Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather, petitioned the Supreme Court of India to re-open the investigations. Since then, a reinvestigation was ordered and the Kashmir High Court ordered that victims be paid compensation. The state government and army have mounted efforts to stop these orders.

Al Jazeera spoke to Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather who, along with three others, co-wrote a book, Do You Remember Kunan Poshpora?, published earlier this year.

Butt and Rather, both young women in their twenties, spoke about the impact of militarisation on Kashmiri Muslim women and men, political solidarities, about Kashmiri women who inspire, and the issue of self-determination in Kashmir.

Editor's note: This interview has been edited for clarity and length

OPINION: Two centuries of oppression in Kashmir

Al Jazeera: How and when did you learn about the Kunan Poshpora rapes?

Ifrah Butt: I had a faint idea of the events of Kunan Poshpora, but it was not something which we talked about, because it is taboo to discuss rape in Kashmiri society. We were documenting cases of sexual violence at Jammu Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society, when we learned about the full details.

At that time, people were on the streets in India, demanding immediate justice for a young woman who was raped in Delhi in December 2012. We wondered why nobody had sought justice for the Kashmiri women who were raped more than 20 years ago.

Al Jazeera: How has the conflict in Kashmir affected women and their participation in the public sphere?

Natasha Rather: Before the conflict escalated in the late 1980s, girls were encouraged to attend college, work and occupy high positions. But they were forced to drop out due to the conflict.

During the conflict, women helped [fighters] with meals and shelter, and acted as their couriers.

Increasing instances of rape were recorded after the armed uprising began in 1990s and incidents like Kunan Poshpora made women more aware of their vulnerability.

Rapes were humiliating for the entire Kashmiri community and demoralising. As a result, women were made to cover their faces and wear burqas. Their movements were restricted.

But after a point they had to go out and work because the men were being killed, or were in jail. There are hundreds of half-widows in Kashmir - women whose husbands disappeared.

Butt and Natasha Rather speak about the effect of militarisation in Kashmir [Urvashi Sarkar/Al Jazeera]
Since the year 2000, more women started working. Now, many own big businesses, boutiques and beauty parlours, and are in the bureaucracy.

But the result of militarisation is that [Kashmiri women] dread men in uniform. We won't enter a park, if we see them sitting even far away, or walk down streets where there is an army bunker.

Butt: Kashmiri women have been abused both by militants and Indian security forces. Militants also used rape, especially if women were caught as informers. For example, in the 1990s, a Kashmiri Pandit [Hindu] nurse was raped and shot for being a suspected police informer.

Similarly, there are instances of Indian security forces raping female members of a militant’s family as a way of punishing the fighter.

Women were raped on both sides.

READ MORE: Kashmir - A story of defiance amid grief

Al Jazeera: Men have been tortured and brutalised during the conflict as well. What were the consequences?

Rather: Incidents of sexual torture and assault against men and boys have been recorded. But many such incidents go unreported because the victims fear shame and dishonour.

Butt: Also, I think, men started thinking that they could not take care of the women after incidents of rape and sexual assault against women by military and paramilitary forces increased.

The Listening Post: Screening rape - India's debate (25:00)
Al Jazeera: What is the situation of Kashmiri women with regard to employment, marriage and sexual freedom?

Rather: Government jobs or education and banking jobs are considered the best for Kashmiri girls. Some families express discomfort about women working with men. Caste and class considerations can be important in selection of partners, but such ideas are slowly changing, especially among the middle class.

There is complete silence around premarital sex since Kashmiri society considers this to be a disgrace and dishonour.

Butt: We have the liberty to choose our partners, that is, husbands, but we cannot cohabitate with a partner if unmarried. Premarital sex is a big no. Sexuality and related issues like rape or even harassment are not discussed.

Al Jazeera: During the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits during early 1990s, women from the Pandit community were reportedly raped. Has the violence against them been forgotten?

Rather: Rape of a Kashmiri Pandit woman is as condemnable as of a Kashmiri Muslim woman.

Butt: There were some incidents of rapes committed by militants in the 1990s. Such incidents, too, need documenting.

READ MORE: The slow road to justice for India's rape victims

Al Jazeera: The outrage around the 2012 Delhi rape prompted you to delve into Kunan Poshpora. Do these other incidents in India also affect you?

Rather: The 2012 agitations demanded that the culture of silence [over rape] be broken. It seemed to be an apt time for talking about gendered violence in Kashmir.

Events in India do impact us, especially movements led by the people. But while most other agitating groups do not want freedom from India, Kashmiris want self-determination.

Butt: Events from all over the world impact us, be it Palestine, Syria or Yemen. We express our solidarity with every oppressed nation and groups like the Dalits or tribal groups. We do it by writing about it and expressing ourselves on social media.

Al Jazeera: Are you indicating that Kashmir needs freedom first, and only then can social problems like patriarchy and caste be dealt with?

Butt: We can solve our problems only if we are alive. We saw how young boys and girls were killed since 2008. There are massacres, and if this continues, there will soon be no one left to deal with the other social problems.

Once we get freedom we will work for a perfect nation. But when our existence is in peril, we cannot think of anything else.

Rather: The right to self-determination precedes everything else. When India was waging its struggle for freedom, did it wait to eliminate caste biases, religious intolerance or patriarchy?

Source: Al Jazeera News

You are defending these women

Although I think middle eastern girls have nice shape enough for casus beilli and justification for war.:bounce:

 

[ashdoc]

Here is some nutral reporting from most prestigious media outlet on horrors of rape even by Indian army on innocent Kashmiri women. Doesn't this behavior make us proud Indians sad?

Kashmir: A look at the Kunan Poshpora rapes
Writers Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather discuss the impact of militarisation on Kashmiri women and men.

• 
• 

• 
• 

Butt and Natasha Rather, along with three others, co-wrote the book Do you Remember Kunan Poshpora'?, published earlier this year [Urvashi Sakar/Al Jazeera]

By
Urvashi Sarkar





Twenty-five years have passed since the 1991 incident in which Indian army soldiers allegedly raped between 23 and 100 women in Kashmir’s Kunan and Poshpora villages during a search operation.

The Indian army has denied the accusations and a delayed investigation of the incident concluded that the allegations were “worthless” and no one was prosecuted for the alleged crimes.

But, in 2013, a group of 50 women, including the authors Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather, petitioned the Supreme Court of India to re-open the investigations. Since then, a reinvestigation was ordered and the Kashmir High Court ordered that victims be paid compensation. The state government and army have mounted efforts to stop these orders.

Al Jazeera spoke to Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather who, along with three others, co-wrote a book, Do You Remember Kunan Poshpora?, published earlier this year.

Butt and Rather, both young women in their twenties, spoke about the impact of militarisation on Kashmiri Muslim women and men, political solidarities, about Kashmiri women who inspire, and the issue of self-determination in Kashmir.

Editor's note: This interview has been edited for clarity and length

OPINION: Two centuries of oppression in Kashmir

Al Jazeera: How and when did you learn about the Kunan Poshpora rapes?

Ifrah Butt: I had a faint idea of the events of Kunan Poshpora, but it was not something which we talked about, because it is taboo to discuss rape in Kashmiri society. We were documenting cases of sexual violence at Jammu Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society, when we learned about the full details.

At that time, people were on the streets in India, demanding immediate justice for a young woman who was raped in Delhi in December 2012. We wondered why nobody had sought justice for the Kashmiri women who were raped more than 20 years ago.

Al Jazeera: How has the conflict in Kashmir affected women and their participation in the public sphere?

Natasha Rather: Before the conflict escalated in the late 1980s, girls were encouraged to attend college, work and occupy high positions. But they were forced to drop out due to the conflict.

During the conflict, women helped [fighters] with meals and shelter, and acted as their couriers.

Increasing instances of rape were recorded after the armed uprising began in 1990s and incidents like Kunan Poshpora made women more aware of their vulnerability.

Rapes were humiliating for the entire Kashmiri community and demoralising. As a result, women were made to cover their faces and wear burqas. Their movements were restricted.

But after a point they had to go out and work because the men were being killed, or were in jail. There are hundreds of half-widows in Kashmir - women whose husbands disappeared.

Butt and Natasha Rather speak about the effect of militarisation in Kashmir [Urvashi Sarkar/Al Jazeera]
Since the year 2000, more women started working. Now, many own big businesses, boutiques and beauty parlours, and are in the bureaucracy.

But the result of militarisation is that [Kashmiri women] dread men in uniform. We won't enter a park, if we see them sitting even far away, or walk down streets where there is an army bunker.

Butt: Kashmiri women have been abused both by militants and Indian security forces. Militants also used rape, especially if women were caught as informers. For example, in the 1990s, a Kashmiri Pandit [Hindu] nurse was raped and shot for being a suspected police informer.

Similarly, there are instances of Indian security forces raping female members of a militant’s family as a way of punishing the fighter.

Women were raped on both sides.

READ MORE: Kashmir - A story of defiance amid grief

Al Jazeera: Men have been tortured and brutalised during the conflict as well. What were the consequences?

Rather: Incidents of sexual torture and assault against men and boys have been recorded. But many such incidents go unreported because the victims fear shame and dishonour.

Butt: Also, I think, men started thinking that they could not take care of the women after incidents of rape and sexual assault against women by military and paramilitary forces increased.

The Listening Post: Screening rape - India's debate (25:00)
Al Jazeera: What is the situation of Kashmiri women with regard to employment, marriage and sexual freedom?

Rather: Government jobs or education and banking jobs are considered the best for Kashmiri girls. Some families express discomfort about women working with men. Caste and class considerations can be important in selection of partners, but such ideas are slowly changing, especially among the middle class.

There is complete silence around premarital sex since Kashmiri society considers this to be a disgrace and dishonour.

Butt: We have the liberty to choose our partners, that is, husbands, but we cannot cohabitate with a partner if unmarried. Premarital sex is a big no. Sexuality and related issues like rape or even harassment are not discussed.

Al Jazeera: During the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits during early 1990s, women from the Pandit community were reportedly raped. Has the violence against them been forgotten?

Rather: Rape of a Kashmiri Pandit woman is as condemnable as of a Kashmiri Muslim woman.

Butt: There were some incidents of rapes committed by militants in the 1990s. Such incidents, too, need documenting.

READ MORE: The slow road to justice for India's rape victims

Al Jazeera: The outrage around the 2012 Delhi rape prompted you to delve into Kunan Poshpora. Do these other incidents in India also affect you?

Rather: The 2012 agitations demanded that the culture of silence [over rape] be broken. It seemed to be an apt time for talking about gendered violence in Kashmir.

Events in India do impact us, especially movements led by the people. But while most other agitating groups do not want freedom from India, Kashmiris want self-determination.

Butt: Events from all over the world impact us, be it Palestine, Syria or Yemen. We express our solidarity with every oppressed nation and groups like the Dalits or tribal groups. We do it by writing about it and expressing ourselves on social media.

Al Jazeera: Are you indicating that Kashmir needs freedom first, and only then can social problems like patriarchy and caste be dealt with?

Butt: We can solve our problems only if we are alive. We saw how young boys and girls were killed since 2008. There are massacres, and if this continues, there will soon be no one left to deal with the other social problems.

Once we get freedom we will work for a perfect nation. But when our existence is in peril, we cannot think of anything else.

Rather: The right to self-determination precedes everything else. When India was waging its struggle for freedom, did it wait to eliminate caste biases, religious intolerance or patriarchy?

Source: Al Jazeera News

http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/19kanch.htm

from above link---

''A Kashmiri Pandit nurse working at the Soura Medical College Hospital in Srinagar was gang-raped and then beaten to death. Another woman was abducted, raped and sliced into bits and pieces at a sawmill.''

'Asi gachchi Pakistan, Batao roas te Batanev san' (We want Pakistan along with Hindu women but without their men).

 

[Brood Father]

Here is some nutral reporting from most prestigious media outlet on horrors of rape even by Indian army on innocent Kashmiri women. Doesn't this behavior make us proud Indians sad?

Kashmir: A look at the Kunan Poshpora rapes
Writers Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather discuss the impact of militarisation on Kashmiri women and men.

• 
• 

• 
• 

Butt and Natasha Rather, along with three others, co-wrote the book Do you Remember Kunan Poshpora'?, published earlier this year [Urvashi Sakar/Al Jazeera]

By
Urvashi Sarkar





Twenty-five years have passed since the 1991 incident in which Indian army soldiers allegedly raped between 23 and 100 women in Kashmir’s Kunan and Poshpora villages during a search operation.

The Indian army has denied the accusations and a delayed investigation of the incident concluded that the allegations were “worthless” and no one was prosecuted for the alleged crimes.

But, in 2013, a group of 50 women, including the authors Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather, petitioned the Supreme Court of India to re-open the investigations. Since then, a reinvestigation was ordered and the Kashmir High Court ordered that victims be paid compensation. The state government and army have mounted efforts to stop these orders.

Al Jazeera spoke to Ifrah Butt and Natasha Rather who, along with three others, co-wrote a book, Do You Remember Kunan Poshpora?, published earlier this year.

Butt and Rather, both young women in their twenties, spoke about the impact of militarisation on Kashmiri Muslim women and men, political solidarities, about Kashmiri women who inspire, and the issue of self-determination in Kashmir.

Editor's note: This interview has been edited for clarity and length

OPINION: Two centuries of oppression in Kashmir

Al Jazeera: How and when did you learn about the Kunan Poshpora rapes?

Ifrah Butt: I had a faint idea of the events of Kunan Poshpora, but it was not something which we talked about, because it is taboo to discuss rape in Kashmiri society. We were documenting cases of sexual violence at Jammu Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society, when we learned about the full details.

At that time, people were on the streets in India, demanding immediate justice for a young woman who was raped in Delhi in December 2012. We wondered why nobody had sought justice for the Kashmiri women who were raped more than 20 years ago.

Al Jazeera: How has the conflict in Kashmir affected women and their participation in the public sphere?

Natasha Rather: Before the conflict escalated in the late 1980s, girls were encouraged to attend college, work and occupy high positions. But they were forced to drop out due to the conflict.

During the conflict, women helped [fighters] with meals and shelter, and acted as their couriers.

Increasing instances of rape were recorded after the armed uprising began in 1990s and incidents like Kunan Poshpora made women more aware of their vulnerability.

Rapes were humiliating for the entire Kashmiri community and demoralising. As a result, women were made to cover their faces and wear burqas. Their movements were restricted.

But after a point they had to go out and work because the men were being killed, or were in jail. There are hundreds of half-widows in Kashmir - women whose husbands disappeared.

Butt and Natasha Rather speak about the effect of militarisation in Kashmir [Urvashi Sarkar/Al Jazeera]
Since the year 2000, more women started working. Now, many own big businesses, boutiques and beauty parlours, and are in the bureaucracy.

But the result of militarisation is that [Kashmiri women] dread men in uniform. We won't enter a park, if we see them sitting even far away, or walk down streets where there is an army bunker.

Butt: Kashmiri women have been abused both by militants and Indian security forces. Militants also used rape, especially if women were caught as informers. For example, in the 1990s, a Kashmiri Pandit [Hindu] nurse was raped and shot for being a suspected police informer.

Similarly, there are instances of Indian security forces raping female members of a militant’s family as a way of punishing the fighter.

Women were raped on both sides.

READ MORE: Kashmir - A story of defiance amid grief

Al Jazeera: Men have been tortured and brutalised during the conflict as well. What were the consequences?

Rather: Incidents of sexual torture and assault against men and boys have been recorded. But many such incidents go unreported because the victims fear shame and dishonour.

Butt: Also, I think, men started thinking that they could not take care of the women after incidents of rape and sexual assault against women by military and paramilitary forces increased.

The Listening Post: Screening rape - India's debate (25:00)
Al Jazeera: What is the situation of Kashmiri women with regard to employment, marriage and sexual freedom?

Rather: Government jobs or education and banking jobs are considered the best for Kashmiri girls. Some families express discomfort about women working with men. Caste and class considerations can be important in selection of partners, but such ideas are slowly changing, especially among the middle class.

There is complete silence around premarital sex since Kashmiri society considers this to be a disgrace and dishonour.

Butt: We have the liberty to choose our partners, that is, husbands, but we cannot cohabitate with a partner if unmarried. Premarital sex is a big no. Sexuality and related issues like rape or even harassment are not discussed.

Al Jazeera: During the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits during early 1990s, women from the Pandit community were reportedly raped. Has the violence against them been forgotten?

Rather: Rape of a Kashmiri Pandit woman is as condemnable as of a Kashmiri Muslim woman.

Butt: There were some incidents of rapes committed by militants in the 1990s. Such incidents, too, need documenting.

READ MORE: The slow road to justice for India's rape victims

Al Jazeera: The outrage around the 2012 Delhi rape prompted you to delve into Kunan Poshpora. Do these other incidents in India also affect you?

Rather: The 2012 agitations demanded that the culture of silence [over rape] be broken. It seemed to be an apt time for talking about gendered violence in Kashmir.

Events in India do impact us, especially movements led by the people. But while most other agitating groups do not want freedom from India, Kashmiris want self-determination.

Butt: Events from all over the world impact us, be it Palestine, Syria or Yemen. We express our solidarity with every oppressed nation and groups like the Dalits or tribal groups. We do it by writing about it and expressing ourselves on social media.

Al Jazeera: Are you indicating that Kashmir needs freedom first, and only then can social problems like patriarchy and caste be dealt with?

Butt: We can solve our problems only if we are alive. We saw how young boys and girls were killed since 2008. There are massacres, and if this continues, there will soon be no one left to deal with the other social problems.

Once we get freedom we will work for a perfect nation. But when our existence is in peril, we cannot think of anything else.

Rather: The right to self-determination precedes everything else. When India was waging its struggle for freedom, did it wait to eliminate caste biases, religious intolerance or patriarchy?

Source: Al Jazeera News

Actually its not his fault , it's his religion fault
Look everywhere in the world , wherever Muslims becomes majority they want freedom
Bosnia , Croatia , chechanya are proof of insatiable Muslim appetite
First they hide behind the garb of Secularism , then when the time is right , they become bold and start mass plunder and rape in name of Islam
However if the opposite side retaliate , they again victim cry
That's the pattern you find in all world and Kashmir is no different
The good thing is that unlike in 90 , world is now becoming more and more Islam hating entity and Kashmir (since it is more like a Muslim revolution ) won't get any traction on the world's community
And as India GDP increases Kashmir will slowly fade away in oblivion
And one more thing , even if we have kill all the kashmiri and all the sickular chootiya of India
Kashmir rahega Hindustan. ..

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Sun kale bhosad azrali bhangi muslim, arabo ki gaand chatane wale kutte, Chinese ka Lauda choosne wale hinjade,
Ameerikyo ki Randi ..
Apne aakao see bol randistan ab nahi rahega.

 

[nokuba]

I can't beleive that members of this forum allowed this thread to extend upto 8 pages, instead of flagging the original post and moving on. Don't feed the trolls. They feed on attention, nothing else.

 

[raheel besharam]

Shameless mods cant even edit the title of thread

 

[captscooby81]

Lets ignore this pig guys he is bloody porki pig who is drawing our attention with all the nonsense shit he is talking about india and gaining thread space .. Look the shit thread has reached 8 pages just because of our reactions .. Lets ignore this retard commie islamist pig....

 

[ashdoc]

Lets ignore this pig guys he is bloody porki pig who is drawing our attention with all the nonsense shit he is talking about india and gaining thread space .. Look the shit thread has reached 8 pages just because of our reactions .. Lets ignore this retard commie islamist pig....

he must be laughing his ass off at our stupidity .

 

[Dark Lord]

Actually its not his fault , it's his religion fault
Look everywhere in the world , wherever Muslims becomes majority they want freedom
Bosnia , Croatia , chechanya are proof of insatiable Muslim appetite
First they hide behind the garb of Secularism , then when the time is right , they become bold and start mass plunder and rape in name of Islam
However if the opposite side retaliate , they again victim cry
That's the pattern you find in all world and Kashmir is no different
The good thing is that unlike in 90 , world is now becoming more and more Islam hating entity and Kashmir (since it is more like a Muslim revolution ) won't get any traction on the world's community
And as India GDP increases Kashmir will slowly fade away in oblivion
And one more thing , even if we have kill all the kashmiri and all the sickular chootiya of India
Kashmir rahega Hindustan. ..

I agree 100% with you. I too want Kashmir to be with India and India only. That is why I started this discussion. How it can be done?

 

[Filtercoffee]

I agree 100% with you. I too want Kashmir to be with India and India only. That is why I started this discussion. How it can be done?

I do not agree to this thought as their areas are being built and rebuilt, they are just swarming into the belief of leave us alone by their behaviour, travel and habits. Future might have everyone else attack them and send them their due; and to it, it only shows inability to accept some one else going up.

 

[republic_roi97]

I agree 100% with you. I too want Kashmir to be with India and India only. That is why I started this discussion. How it can be done?

Make an Israel out of Kashmir, as simple as that. Flood it with pro-indians.

 

[Brood Father]

I agree 100% with you. I too want Kashmir to be with India and India only. That is why I started this discussion. How it can be done?

If you are serious enough to discuss then yes we can solve this unending problem
No one wants bloodshed to continue
If kashmiri are dying , so are our soldiers
If kashmiri are facing problem , ask the pundits who were raped and thrown out of their land
And if kashmiri are high headed and wants azadi , we also love our mother land and won't let go Kashmir at any cost

But first Kashmiri needs to shun voilence
They need to stop stone pelting , stop terrorist activities and their call for azadi
If this happens AFSPA will be removed , distubed area act will also be removed ( just like in Manipur ) and may be then we can all sit together and find a solution WITH IN CONSTITUTIONAL FRAME and trust me there will be , just like United kingdom

But if they still want bloodshed to continue in the name of azadi and Islam then please remember ,we are second most populated country and over all we are developing at much faster rate , so direct confrontation will only lead to bloodshed in kashmir and one day they will be in minority and then kashmir will never be a problem.

Appreciate the fact that even after all these slurs thrown at you , you have constantly maintained that you are indian none the less
However your selective hatread towards Hinduism and constantly picking up the senstive topics as far as India is concerned is not appreciated

 

[Dark Lord]

If you are serious enough to discuss then yes we can solve this unending problem
No one wants bloodshed to continue
If kashmiri are dying , so are our soldiers
If kashmiri are facing problem , ask the pundits who were raped and thrown out of their land
And if kashmiri are high headed and wants azadi , we also love our mother land and won't let go Kashmir at any cost

But first Kashmiri needs to shun voilence
They need to stop stone pelting , stop terrorist activities and their call for azadi
If this happens AFSPA will be removed , distubed area act will also be removed ( just like in Manipur ) and may be then we can all sit together and find a solution WITH IN CONSTITUTIONAL FRAME and trust me there will be , just like United kingdom

But if they still want bloodshed to continue in the name of azadi and Islam then please remember ,we are second most populated country and over all we are developing at much faster rate , so direct confrontation will only lead to bloodshed in kashmir and one day they will be in minority and then kashmir will never be a problem.

Appreciate the fact that even after all these slurs thrown at you , you have constantly maintained that you are indian none the less
However your selective hatread towards Hinduism and constantly picking up the senstive topics as far as India is concerned is not appreciated

Thank you for understanding this. This is the first mature reply i have received since i am here.

I agree the best way to solve Kashmir issue is under Indian constitution and by law. Because we are not a lawless country like Pakistan.

Those slur just amuse me as I am actually an Indian. If I was a Paki I would gladly accept that. There is no shame in accepting your nationality.

When I say I am secular people start hurling abuse because BJP has brainwashed people to believe that secularism is somehow Muslim appeasement.

I talk on Hinduism because there is much to talk about. I see members have no issue saying bad things about Islam but when someone shows a mirror about Hinduism they get angry. People like to think their religion is perfect or less bad but other religion is evil and cause of all problem.

Those patriot who talk about Muslim genocide are fake patriots. Real patriots will stand up for all Indians regardless of their religion.

Jai Hind and Vande Matram

 

[Project Dharma]

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You are defending these women
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Although I think middle eastern girls have nice shape enough for casus beilli and justification for war.:bounce:

They all look nice upto 18 I think, then for some reason they put on 50 KG of weight.

 

[Villager]

I agree 100% with you. I too want Kashmir to be with India and India only. That is why I started this discussion. How it can be done?

Why do you not answer my simple question? Are you ashamed of the religion/communit you belong to? You are concerned with flaws of Hinduism and do not speak of your own Islam? Think there is something Hinduism can learn from Islam? Your thought please.

Don't be concerned with Kashmir, be concerned with why your own Kaum (world's second largest and soon to be largest) is the world's most backward and least progressive? Does your religion plan on surviving only by hyper breeding and crying victimhood?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Neither. I am a proud indian. Jai Hind.

Translate (and Google translation won't work here):
यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य

Why same is not true for China? Why world doesn't see China as a backwards country?

UK doesn't represent the world.

Only metal housing is left in REST.

LOL, uneducated person, you don't even know about the basic parts of missile? Where are gyro systems? Main engine? Propellants, additional composites, actuators, gyro etc..

I challenge, if you can fly a missile metal casing with seeker & cruising turbofan!

I will pay you.

What? If so Why can't we make a simple cruise missile?

Turbofan & cruisers aren't simple.

Why Nirbhay is always failing? Pak is most successful with cruise missiles

Pakistan uses NPO Saturn Soviet turbofan engines, validated for years. They have propellants from PRC, initial stages ToT from NoKo long back.
Pakistan has even not basic stimulating & shocker tunnels for initial testing of missile & engines.
Assembling a missile isn't really a success.
They can't even properly ground test before flight.
I will see on day when Pakistan can make even 1/2 of MANIK engine or even 10% of Indian IR seekers.
But for now, without even testing facilities for imported maal, leave alone making own, comparison between India & Pakistan is stupid.

yet we Indians are constantly failing.

Failing? Terminal interceptor, mid course interceptor, QBMs, SAMs, AAMs, HGVs, basic torpedoes, spin stablized boosters, there are lot of blocks to assembled together.

If Pakistan has own tech, it may have gain experience of these techs from research in past, it must have made own, if leaked from China, it didn't.
Still, non of them in site.

We can't make a simple howitzer

??
Indian Field Gun? Dhanush? K?

ATAGS and AMAGS are even among most potent in world, specially for grounds. Being exported too.

You are an Indian but you don't know about howitzers which Army fans love most. Strange!

or bullet proof jacket

We make.

but made ballistic missiles without any outside help?

This isn't a revolutionary tech, we had gained it first orbital launch just before the closure of project valiant.

We even make world's third largest solid motor, we penetrate 485 million miles deep in space at cost of just ₹4 pee kilometer, we are WORLD'S FIRST COUNTRY TO MAKE HYPERSONIC GLIDE MISSILE (HYBRID).
We do hold world's 6th largest research budget and account for biggest number of engineers.

Many countries are making motors including Pak. Your point?

Motors of how many types & their propellants, scramjets, ramjets.
My point is that motor used by India to put a space capsule in space and bringing it back on earth in 2014 was a rocket motor while motor used in Pakistani shaheen missiles is also a motor. See the difference, if Shaheen can go 485 million miles away from gravity.

China makes everything from avionics to engines.

Not really, they license produce from French & British firms, critical compenents like chips & navigation are imported.

When India was sanctioned, Japanese & French OEMs has filled PRC's industry.

Making China world's largest assembler, delivering final product but not biggest designer & manufacturer at all. Even Indian designs & manufactured parts are assembled in China because natural resources for components are in abundance in PRC.

They make everything fighter jets, transport jets, commercial planes, drones.

Assemble & license produce, China uses an HR development model of absorbing ToT, quite different from basic R&D institutions, which gives them basic way to assemble the product & BOM so that they can make low end parts out of it.

It advertisely affects their design capability though.

China is becoming no 1 in aviation market. All western companies are now afraid of mighty China.

Afraid? Why western companies will be afraid of their business partner?:biggrin2:

Please educate yourself with latest news from China.

Comac C919, a regional commercial plane, isn't that? Now, check out it's BOM.:biggrin2:

I'm myself inclined to this industry so I may be knowing more than you. I've worked with them.

But India with 1.3 billion people doesn't (Can't ) make planes. Only some spare parts.

Heard of Saras.

Boing was never making any planes in India just doors that too no more.

What the heck they make here along with Indian companies which they export?

From who? They have a powerful local industry in China. They can reverse engineer anything they want. including fifth gen F35.

Wrong, ToT absorbtion needs initial instructions.

So what? Today China stands neck to neck with USA in terms of technology. Where do we stand?

Again, wrong the biggest one, from chip manufacturing to high end electronics & avionics, it's still dependent on US. Even half of it's IPRs were prank, (not filed in Chinese patent office so some Chinese American working in American firms filed in Chinese office).

It doesn't give the China manufacturing capacity beyond 28nm chips but even losing out in designs.

Today pakistan is making JF-17, Mushashak, Babur, Ghauri, Hatf, tanks, everything India can imagine.

Or India does manufacture more than these assemblies?
Making turbofans, turbojets, turboshafts, ramjets, scramjets, orbital launchers, semiconductors, IR seekers, High vision angle, AEW&C, AESA Radars, GaN, trainers, own navigation systems, spaceplanes,

Spy satellites capable of reading number of your cars,

Nuclear submarines, water water final operaional generation plants, FBRs, first country to make thorium based reactors, filing third most number of papers, IR seekers, modern composites, terminal interceptors, AAMs, torpedoes, MLRS, aircraft carriers, LPDs, DDGs, FFGs, heavily armed Corvettes, helicopters, UGVs, UAVs, AUVs and a lot to list up against a pathetic country who can't even spend 0.5% of it's total budget on research every year.

And note that these are only from strateg
Pak is making it. Look at out Tejas program and compare with Pakistani JF-17. One is in full production doing its job. Other is sitting in hanger waiting FOC.

At first place, JF-17 and Tejas both have different roles,
Second, it's upcoming backbone of Pakistani Air Force, Tejas is a replacement,

You have a ToT so better not compare with R&D,

& JF-17 in low range fight attribute is more comparable to Tejas of 90s because it didn't met requirements (DO YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY PLAAF ISN'T USING IT?)

A modified MiG-21, known as FC-1 Xiaolong, you call JFT, who doesn't even have basic targeting pods must not boast of operationalization.

Source?

Fourth last page, Indian Economy thread.

Ruppee is going up fast these days.

Estimations. Real numbers are being hidden by Feku Modi.

Ya, additional, $150 billions in budget dropped from sky, India's imports from PRC declined by 7.5% and exports increased by 42%, along with overall depletion of trade deficit was an illusion if manufacturing growth was fudged or India being world's largest destination for Greenfield FDI, surpassing US & Japan as world's second largest steel maker and with a heavy infra budget that it is making 22kms roads everyday.

A lot of to list up in other fields.

Source?

It's the projected calaculation.
7% GDP growth rate & 5% currency apperception every year as greenfield FDI patches up deficit means surplus scored 9 years later must ramp up GDP exponentially.

That title goes to China. Fastest growing economy EVER in the history of mankind.

I said one of fastest, now it has slowed down due to increased Labor cost and declining population, regarding Pakistan,

We have sustained our per capita speed double of you for last two decades, surpassed in HDI, per capita income & GHI one by one.

There are articles in Wall street journal and Daily mail that says nothing has changed.

You forgot BBC & NYT, they even put 2005 stat to bash India, entire anti India brigade on same page!

We Indians still don't have 40% toilets.

34%,
Second we don't investigate, we only question where 34% people ask for compensation for government to build toilets. Surveys find it ranging from 8.3% to 21%.

Regarding your country, Pakistan uses survey of Punjab as a scale of overall population.
There's no record of even actual population of your country since last 2 decades and surveys range from 190 million to 218 million population, from 17.5% to 43% open defecation.

Though, data isn't available about Balochistan whose HDI lies below Africa.

MY HARD FACTS.

Rants

We both know that 90% of rapes in India aren't reported. Real number is much MUCH higher.

Why 90%? It's 100%.
Sexual assault is a bigger taboo in India than west. Western girls even may ignore, Indian one won't.
One thing not to forgot, case is confirmed only after medical test in other countries while complaint is enough in India.

 

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