Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon

[Armand2REP]

RAF to scrap twin-seat Typhoons
Tim Ripley, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
29 January 2018
The UK Royal Air Force (RAF) is to scrap 16 UK Eurofighter Typhoons as part of a project to save GBP 800 million (USD1.13 billion) on the running cost of the service's combat aircraft fleet.

The plans to dismantle the aircraft and harvest spare parts for use on the remainder of the Typhoon fleet were revealed to Jane’s on 29th January by RAF Air Command at High Wycombe, in Buckinghamshire, in response to a Freedom of Information (FOI) Act request.

The project, known as Reduce to Produce (RTP), aims to generate GBP50 million worth of parts from each airframe “back into the supply chain”, according to the FOI data.

http://www.janes.com/article/77413/raf-to-scrap-twin-seat-typhoons

 

[BON PLAN]

Belgium will buy the F-35, they have the same nuke delivery requirement as US/NATO nukes are based at Kliene Brogel Airbase in the North and the F-35 is the only option. Currently BAF 31 Tigers take up this role with the F-16. Rafale and EF can't deploy the B-61 weapon without upgrades and the US insisting on serious insights into both aircraft. Eitherway, won't happen.

Same reason why the F-35 was bought by the Dutch as they too have a Nato Nuke delivery role out of the Volkel Air base. Moreso, with LM having decades of experience working with local partners in Belgium, NL and other with assembly, maintenance and what not, it is a easy win for the F-35.

Besides they only need 34 fighters to replace around 54 F-16s and it's clear the successor needs to be NATO nuke capable either from the start or eventually.

Moreso the timeline suits the F-35 purchase better, they need deliveries to begin 2023 and continue till 2030 and in that timeline the F-35 is a block 4 variant and is FOCed in the US.

A free fall nuclear bomb? When we all see the profusion of double digit SAM ?
It's a joke !

F35 already shown its limitations.
Belgium and Dutch are near ally. So it's possible to imagine the two not having the same plane : F35 mainly for AtoG mission (even if ...) and another one for air superiority mission.
Because definitively F35 in air to air mission will be laughable, specially in peace time mission (99% of its flight time). SU and Mig will be so pleased to play with the fat US turkey.

 

[Immanuel]

A free fall nuclear bomb? When we all see the profusion of double digit SAM ?
It's a joke !

F35 already shown its limitations.
Belgium and Dutch are near ally. So it's possible to imagine the two not having the same plane : F35 mainly for AtoG mission (even if ...) and another one for air superiority mission.
Because definitively F35 in air to air mission will be laughable, specially in peace time mission (99% of its flight time). SU and Mig will be so pleased to play with the fat US turkey.

If the F-35 is bad at A2A any other 4.5 gen aircraft will only be worse than the F-35 including the Rafale. The MKI already flew circles around the Rafale both in BVR and WVR.

A F-35 can easily kill the Rafale in A2A BVR and will hold its own in WVR.

 

[Immanuel]

As for the B-61-12 standard nuke bomb will be carried internally on the F-35A, certification tests will begin in 2020.

 

[Sancho]

today in Vergiate, Italy. @Leonardo_IT showcased Marte ER missile @byMBDA, the unique antiship solution for @Eurofighter_1 Typhoon: cost effective, long range, all weather, sea skimming, and capable of saturating naval air defences

https://t.co/MnwfdFEvXR

 

[gadeshi]

https://t.co/MnwfdFEvXR

Subsonic, under 250km ranged ASM is so "unique"

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[Sancho]

Subsonic, under 250km ranged ASM is so "unique"

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PR. :biggrin2: Interesting paint scheme though for the Kuwaiti EFs as it seems, which also have the anti ship requirement. Will be interesting to see if they opt for Marte and EF, or just go for Harpoon and F18 Block 3, for the maritime attack role.

 

[BON PLAN]

The MKI already flew circles around the Rafale both in BVR and WVR.

Ah Ah Ah....

It's why India baught it, with weapons to make air supériority.

In BVR the Su30 is visible like a christmas tree in the night.

You are, as usual, so laughable.

 

[BON PLAN]

A F-35 can easily kill the Rafale in A2A BVR and will hold its own in WVR.

In BVR the F35 is only stealthy in front (not as efficient as a F22 !), and made so many IR trace that it can be seen from dozen kilometers away.

In WVR Rafale is superior to F16, and F16 beat F35 easily. Do you need a simple math lesson to understand that Rafale need only one turn to smash the fat US Turkey?

 

[BON PLAN]

As for the B-61-12 standard nuke bomb will be carried internally on the F-35A, certification tests will begin in 2020.

A free fall bomb in th 21st century?
A joke, only a US joke.

A nuclear bomb on a pane that can be shoot down by a 4x23mm battery.... Remember that serbian troops were able to shoot a F117 !

 

[BON PLAN]

https://t.co/MnwfdFEvXR

Were are the external tanks?

no one? so not a long range capacity.

 

[Sancho]

Were are the external tanks?

no one? so not a long range capacity.

With fuel tanks on the mid wing stations and the centerline, the EF could carry 4 x Marte ER.
Rafale with 3 tanks can only carry 2 x Exocet.

Marte ER - 100Km:
http://www.mbda-systems.com/product/marte-er/

Exocet - 70KM:
http://www.mbda-systems.com/product/exocet-sm-39/


EF = more load capability and better missiles
Rafale = half the load, of less capable missiles, to longer ranges.

 

[asianobserve]

In BVR the F35 is only stealthy in front (not as efficient as a F22 !), and made so many IR trace that it can be seen from dozen kilometers away.

If the F-35 still don't satisfy you in stealthiness then you better take a look at Rafale. It can be seen from hundreds of kilometers away even without radar! :biggrin2:

In WVR Rafale is superior to F16, and F16 beat F35 easily. Do you need a simple math lesson to understand that Rafale need only one turn to smash the fat US Turkey?

Oh man, Rafale is old compared tech (and looks too old) to the F-35. A combat loaded Rafale with EFTs, weapons, senors hanging out of its fuselage and under its wings will be a radio Christmas tree broadcasting its location for hundreds of kilometers away. While a stealthy F-35 with its weapons and senors all tucked neatly inside will not even register in Rafale's radar screen.

The only indication that a Rafale pilot will have of the presence of an adversary F-35 is when Rafale explodes after being hit by AMRAAM.

 

[BON PLAN]

With fuel tanks on the mid wing stations and the centerline, the EF could carry 4 x Marte ER.
Rafale with 3 tanks can only carry 2 x Exocet.

Marte ER - 100Km:
http://www.mbda-systems.com/product/marte-er/

Exocet - 70KM:
http://www.mbda-systems.com/product/exocet-sm-39/


EF = more load capability and better missiles
Rafale = half the load, of less capable missiles, to longer ranges.

1) a computer made video can prove everything ! but the truth is elsewhere. Show me a REAL naval strike config of the EF?

2) The duel tank of the EF are smaller than those of the Rafale, and the Rafale fuel efficency is better. Compare your computer made EF with 3 x fuel tanks with a real Rafale, with 2 fuel tanks and 3 Exocet.

3) Exocet SM39 is the model fired from a sub ! check your data please.

4) Warhead of Marte ER : 70kg. Warhead of Exocet : 165kg. You need at least 2 Marte to match the effectivity of one exocet. They don't play in the same garden.

 

[BON PLAN]

A combat loaded Rafale with EFTs, weapons, senors hanging out of its fuselage and under its wings will be a radio Christmas tree broadcasting its location for hundreds of kilometers away. While a stealthy F-35 with its weapons and senors all tucked neatly inside will not even register in Rafale's radar screen.

We were speaking of WVR. In this kind of combat Rafale just need some AAM and 1 to 3 1200 liters tanks. No external sensor, no EFT (or EFT but no external tank).
Spectra known that specif config since dozen years !

F35 in a AA config has to move its truck aerodynamism and emit a lot of IR trace. Not to speak of its Tornado like agility.

 

[asianobserve]

We were speaking of WVR. In this kind of combat Rafale just need some AAM and 1 to 3 1200 liters tanks. No external sensor, no EFT (or EFT but no external tank).
Spectra known that specif config since dozen years !

F35 in a AA config has to move its truck aerodynamism and emit a lot of IR trace. Not to speak of its Tornado like agility.

In a real fight Rafale will always have EFT. Just 2 of those are already a lot of parasitic drag plus external weapons.

The Rafale pilot has to position his plane behind the F-35 to get a shot at it while an F-35 pilot just need to look at the Rafale in his HMCS no matter where Rafale is to get a shot at it. Not to mention that F-35 has similar if not better high AOA capability than Rafale.

 

[Sancho]

1) a computer made video can prove everything ! but the truth is elsewhere. Show me a REAL naval strike config of the EF?

Lol you put yourself in that position by making such a poor claim about the load capability and range, without even making a simple Google search to understand, how many missiles can be integrated at which hardpoints. So don't blame me for your laziness.
Also the pics are from MBDA, that made real integration tests as you can see at up to 6 hardpoints, 2 of them wet stations.

2) The duel tank of the EF are smaller than those of the Rafale, and the Rafale fuel efficency is better.

And that's why I said that Rafale has more range, while only be able to carry half the weapon load of EF.

3) Exocet SM39 is the model fired from a sub ! check your data please.

Looooooooool so Rafale is a sub now? The air launched version as shown has 70Km range.

Again, if you had done at least a simple search to gain infos first, you wouldn't need to make such silly claims now.

 

[Sancho]

In a real fight Rafale will always have EFT. Just 2 of those are already a lot of parasitic drag plus external weapons.

The Rafale pilot has to position his plane behind the F-35 to get a shot at it while an F-35 pilot just need to look at the Rafale in his HMCS no matter where Rafale is to get a shot at it. Not to mention that F-35 has similar if not better high AOA capability than Rafale.

Please move the F35 vs Rafale discussions to F35 or Rafale threads.

 

[BON PLAN]

In a real fight Rafale will always have EFT. Just 2 of those are already a lot of parasitic drag plus external weapons.

The Rafale pilot has to position his plane behind the F-35 to get a shot at it while an F-35 pilot just need to look at the Rafale in his HMCS no matter where Rafale is to get a shot at it. Not to mention that F-35 has similar if not better high AOA capability than Rafale.

In all exercise, Rafale is the first to take off and the last to land. In AtoA config, a sole external tank is enough. And you can throw it !

No need to be behind the F35 to show it ! F35 is only stealthy from front ! And don't imagine USA to give same quality plane to others (expect maybe GB, Australia, Japan).

F35 better AoA than Rafale ? YOU REALLY ARE MAD MY POOR

 

[BON PLAN]

Looooooooool so Rafale is a sub now? The air launched version as shown has 70Km range.

Again, if you had done at least a simple search to gain infos first, you wouldn't need to make such silly claims now.

The idiot is yourself.
SM39 is the sub launch exocet. It's your claim

The air to sea variant is the AM39.