ashdoc
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Only 100+ offensive messages? Come on, America! You can do better than that!More than 100 offensive messages have been collected by ADC [American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee] as part of their evidence for the increase in hateful messages and threats. One Twitter post read: "Nice to see a movie where the Arabs are portrayed for who they really are – vermin scum intent on destroying us."
if provided a sniper rifle, no retribution and a hostile environment you too will turn into a beastChris Kyle was a bloody serial killer who bragged about killing black looters during Hurricane Katrina and the thrill he got from shooting brown Iraqis. One has to wonder why he has so many confirmed kills, because he was an excellent shot or because he has next to no issue with killing any Iraqi he liked- civilian or not.
How ironic! Kyle was shot and killed at 38 by a Marine suffering post-traumatic stress disorder.On February 2, 2013, Kyle and a companion, Chad Littlefield, were shot and killed at the Rough Creek Ranch-Lodge-Resort shooting range in Erath County, Texas,[36] by 25-year-old U.S. Marine Corps veteran[37] Eddie Ray Routh, whom Kyle and Littlefield had reportedly taken to the gun range in an effort to help him with what they were told by his mother was post-traumatic stress disorder.[38][39]
Perhaps but then I wouldn't want a movie made about me depicting me as a hero and not the monster I was. Personally I think Kyle was messed up and prejudice before he entered the military and this carried on through his career but manifested itself in terrible ways....if provided a sniper rifle, no retribution and a hostile environment you too will turn into a beast
They look for a particular mentality when selecting candidates for special forces' units. They look for real ruthlessness and the ability to achieve the objective no matter what. They look for the sort of resolve that keeps the individual going and that won't be stopped by anything. Sure, Kyle was an animal, but to be in the SEALs you have to be, otherwise you would never have been selected.Perhaps but then I wouldn't want a movie made about me depicting me as a hero and not the monster I was. Personally I think Kyle was messed up and prejudice before he entered the military and this carried on through his career but manifested itself in terrible ways....
Bullshit! Special forces don't look for people who are ruthless ( ie killing children and their mothers, as Kyle himself admits to doing); they look for focus and capability that is above and beyond what the average soldier is capable of. Endurance, independent thinking and skill at arms are main criteria.They look for a particular mentality when selecting candidates for special forces' units. They look for real ruthlessness and the ability to achieve the objective no matter what. They look for the sort of resolve that keeps the individual going and that won't be stopped by anything. Sure, Kyle was an animal, but to be in the SEALs you have to be, otherwise you would never have been selected.
The man was a hero to many Americans because he killed America's enemies. And any soldier that kills the enemies of his country on a large scale is more often than not considered a hero. Look at the Soviet soldier Vasily Zaitsev who, like Kyle, was a sniper and who bagged over 400 Germans and was made a Hero of the Soviet Union. Was Kyle a racist? Undoubtedly. He regarded Moslem Arabs as savages, and they certainly have a history of savagery, and they were easy to kill because he regarded them as lesser, inferior people.
Sir, it is easy to get carried away and call each other an "idiot." I would request you to please disagree and keep it cordial.@J20! Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say special forces look for people who killed women and children, idiot. I said they look for people who are ruthless, that doesn't include indiscriminate killing. I know that here in Australia the SAS look for people that have a ruthless edge.
Wrong! The point I was making was Zaitsev and Kyle were both snipers killing their country's enemies. The rights and wrongs of the wars they found themselves in are not the subject of what I was saying and are irrelevant. I said any soldier killing his country's enemies on a large scale is often considered a hero. If you are going to attack what I have written, keep to the subject.Sir, it is easy to get carried away and call each other an "idiot." I would request you to please disagree and keep it cordial.
On topic, I think the similarity between Kyle and Vasily Zaitsev ends with the sniper thingy. Beyond that, they are quite opposite characters, as @J20! correctly pointed out. The former was the invader fighting on foreign land, while the latter was fighting against invaders on his own land.
Ok, I think I get your point. The way I am interpreting it, with clarifications added in blue, is:Wrong! The point I was making was Zaitsev and Kyle were both snipers killing their country's enemies. The rights and wrongs of the wars they found themselves in are not the subject of what I was saying and are irrelevant. I said any soldier killing his country's enemies on a large scale is often considered a hero. If you are going to attack what I have written, keep to the subject.
No, read the quote below:Ok, I think I get your point. The way I am interpreting it, with clarifications added in blue, is:
"The point I was making was, many Americans feel, rightly or wrongly, Zaitsev and Kyle were both snipers killing their country's enemies."
The point I was making is quite plain to read.The man was a hero to many Americans because he killed America's enemies. And any soldier that kills the enemies of his country on a large scale is more often than not considered a hero. Look at the Soviet soldier Vasily Zaitsev who, like Kyle, was a sniper and who bagged over 400 Germans and was made a Hero of the Soviet Union.
I am not misunderstanding your point, and neither am I attacking what you said or think. I am attacking what "many Americans" think.No, read the quote below:
The point I was making is quite plain to read.
Any soldier that kills the enemies of his country on a large scale is often considered a hero by the people of his country. So it follows that Kyle killed America's enemies on a large scale and was and is considered a hero by many Americans. Another example, Zaitsev killed the Soviet Union's enemies on a large scale and was and is considered a hero by many citizens of the former Soviet Union. Both Kyle and Zaitsev were given military awards and decorations for their efforts in killing large numbers of their respective countries' enemies.
I repeat, the point is that any soldier that kills many of his country's enemies in war is often considered a hero by the people of his country. It has nothing to do with the moral justification or lack of it for the war the soldier is fighting in. The moral justification for the war is irrelevant to the point.
That is quite plain. I cannot see why you would misunderstand what I am writing.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.The man was a hero to many Americans because he killed America's enemies. And any soldier that kills the enemies of his country on a large scale is more often than not considered a hero. Look at the Soviet soldier Vasily Zaitsev who, like Kyle, was a sniper and who bagged over 400 Germans and was made a Hero of the Soviet Union.
I would disagree: Kyle was indeed killing America's enemies. The Iraqi insurgents, all Moslem fanatics, that sprang up in the wake of the American invasion of Iraq were clearly the American forces' enemies in Iraq and to say otherwise is quite wrong. But you and the other poster have a different opinion. Any force or organisation or movement that engage in armed hostilities against the forces of the United States is a belligerent force and are clearly America's enemies.I am not misunderstanding your point, and neither am I attacking what you said or think. I am attacking what "many Americans" think.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.
And yes, this very idea that Kyle was killing America's enemies in indeed BS (as stated by @J20!).
Again, not attacking what you think, but attacking what these (demonstrative) "many Americans" think.