CX-1 Long Cruis-1 Super-Sonic Anti-Ship Missile--- Export Project

[shiphone]

been back from Zhuahai for a couple of days and busy working...
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I had a short conversation with the staff of the CX-1 R&D team and I recalled some old info in my head , with these I would write a brief history about P800/Oniks tech in China here ..

1. the Break-down of Soviet Union lead the ex-SU's mililtary technology diffusion... the union was gone, the economy was down, and Research funds was gone ...at that time , the whole Ex-SU nations were in chaos...many famous Design Bureau were in great financial difficulty...so they began their self rescue operation

2. P800/Oniks project hasn't finished yet then...so the NPO Mashinostroyeniya came first to China to discuss the "Co-operation"---they want to use others' FUND to finish their own work and the FUNDER might get some tech...

3. during the negotiation, the Russian provide quite some info about P800 project..like the overall design scheme, some sub-system theory and tech for China Team to evaluate ...at that time , Russian was very "generous" or I have to say they were so short of funds and eager to find the funder that they share quite some detailed info about the P800 project in early stage...note: we got the tech info/detail about P800 project early tech status of early 1990s...

4. the Chief Designer of Anti-ship missile systems made the final decision....except the P800's advancement and advantages, the disadvantage was also apparent
...a) too heavy and big
...b) too Expensive
...c) too easy to be detected and intercepted in High Altitude trajectory profile and the range was shorten to around 120KM in all time Low alititude profile...

then the answer to the Russian offer was: NO...
then they kept looking for new funder and succeeded in so called co-operation in the end with we all know who(LOL) ...

6. those tech scheme were well kept in safe box untill a new young team led by the same young leader. they decided to turn this overall design scheme into the real stuff...here comes the CX-1... the team has mastered Ramjet tech and Homing tech in the development of other AshM projects and apply these on this P800 alike AshM project...

7.A100/200/300/M20 Multi Function Weapon system is always keep moving on...CX-1 is the new member and the AshM and CM modules in this System sharing the same Target acquiring ,Relay guidance ,Commanding ,and Launch platform modules which are ready-made...obviously ,more products/Choice for customer would attract more attention...any way CX-1 is just a new sub-module of an Export project, nothing more...

As the young member of that team said : the reason to go on this project is just : YES, WE CAN" ..they have the tech, funds and time to try this scheme as a practice ....LOL...

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the Demo Video demonstrated the CX-1's High-Low combined trajectory ...

 

[sayareakd]

Best part about Chinese are that they offer product which are under development for export..................:thumb:

 

[Abhishek Tanwar]

so who was saying that Russian govt. doesn't compromise with Russia-Indian Agni contract ,NIA conforming that - info source web

 

[CCP]

CX-1 :

cruise
attitude + speed
17,000m + 3 mach

P-800:

cruise
attitude + speed
14,000m + 2.4 mach



Since P-800 is developed at early 90's, its cruise speed and attitude are not good to confront Aegis systems.


BTW, according to the international agreement, exported missile's range has to less than 300 km and payload less than 500kg. So, CX-1 and P-800's weights and ranges are almost the same.

 

[t_co]

Given the flight profile of this missile, this is probably not designed to attack Aegis systems. The missile is not stealthy and flies high, which means the Aegis will see it a long ways off. Even if it makes it in close, the missile shaping and fins are not large enough for the types of high-G terminal maneuvers that would throw off short-range air defenses.

This missile, however, would be extremely useful against less capable navies. One of these rockets has enough kinetic and explosive energy to slice a frigate-sized vessel in half or punch a seven-meter wide hole in any larger ship - essentially an instant KO.

 

[CCP]

Given the flight profile of this missile, this is probably not designed to attack Aegis systems. The missile is not stealthy and flies high, which means the Aegis will see it a long ways off. Even if it makes it in close, the missile shaping and fins are not large enough for the types of high-G terminal maneuvers that would throw off short-range air defenses.

This missile, however, would be extremely useful against less capable navies. One of these rockets has enough kinetic and explosive energy to slice a frigate-sized vessel in half or punch a seven-meter wide hole in any larger ship - essentially an instant KO.

17,000m + 3 mach .

see it ok, but it can not be tracked.

remember this bird? It come into China several times at 80's , we saw it but can not track it.

 

[asianobserve]

Well even falling satellite travelling at 17,000 mph at altitude of 133 nm can be tracked and destroyed by AEGIS....

 

[CCP]

Well even falling satellite travelling at 17,000 mph at altitude of 133 nm can be tracked and destroyed by AEGIS....

Well, think 20~40 satellites falling at the same time and you don't know their path.

 

[asianobserve]

Well, think 20~40 satellites falling at the same time and you don't know their path.

A single AEGIS can simultaneously track up to 100 targets. The British SAMPSON (Sea Viper System) is said to be even better track larger volume..

 

[CCP]

A single AEGIS can simultaneously track up to 100 targets.

depends on what kind of targets...

The British SAMPSON can even simultaneously track more targets as small as tennis balls travelling at Mach 3 up to 900 targets up to 200 kms aways (that's the declared capabilities, the actual capabilities may even be mind boggling). And these radars are continually being refined.

It is a joke compare to Aegis and 052C/D's radar ... it still need to rotate to search

 

[asianobserve]

depends on what kind of targets...



It is a joke compare to Aegis and 052C/D's radar ... it still need to rotate to search

Rotation is required for full 360 degrees coverage.

Anyway, the Americans and some of their allies are training against supersonic cruise missile against this thing:

Navy asks Orbital Sciences to build supersonic target drones for anti-ship missile training

 

[CCP]

Anyway, the Americans and some of their allies are training against supersonic cruise missile against this thing:

They better to train for dodge 20~40 missile at the same time.

 

[asianobserve]

They better to train for dodge 20~40 missile at the same time.

I don't think they are just sitting there and enjoying watching your show-off unveilings of new(pimped up old) missiles. Their strategists have long been aware of the saturation tactic against their naval forces way back from the Cold War era.

The Coyote target drone BTW appears to be significantly smaller than CX-1.

 

[CCP]

I don't think they are just sitting there and enjoying watching your show-off unveilings of new(pimped up old) missiles. Their strategists have long been aware of the saturation tactic against their naval forces way back from the Cold War era.

The Coyote target drone BTW appears to be significantly smaller than CX-1.

it is significantly slower.

 

[asianobserve]

Here's an early video from 2005 of Coyote with a glimpse on its maneuvering ability:

 

[asianobserve]

it is significantly slower.

No, it's official speed is Mach 2+. Experts say it is actually Mach 3+ missile.

 

[CCP]

No, it's official speed is Mach 2+. Experts say it is actually Mach 3+ missile.

Well, China exhibits a lot of this kind of target missiles in this years airshow from 1mach (type BWIX-1b) to 3.8 mach (type BWID-9) .

We know what kind of thing this is.

FYI, B stands for target in Chinese.

 

[CCP]

 

[Neo]

China's CX-1 Missile Now Exportable


TAIPEI — China's new CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile is ready for export to America's friends and foes alike, with potential markets including Iran, Pakistan and African and South American countries.

CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile at the Zhuhai Airshow in China. (Wendell Minnick / Staff)
On display at the recent Airshow China in Zhuhai, the missile resembles India's BrahMos cruise missile with a large intake in the nose, referred to as the "axial symmetrical inlet" in the brochure. However, that appears to be the only similarity, according to Chinese-language media outlets, which mention differences in wing, guidance vanes and jet vanes of the two missiles.

Russia's NPO Mashinostroyenia (NPOM) and India's Defence Research and Development Organisation jointly developed the BrahMos, basing it on the NPOM's Yakhont (P-800 Oniks) missile.

Vasiliy Kashin, a researcher at Moscow's Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, disputed Chinese media reports that denied a connection. He said the CX-1 is likely based in part on the BrahMos surface-to-surface missile, "but Russia did not sell this to China or offer enough data to China to build one." However, Russia has sold the missile to other states in the region, including Indonesia and Vietnam, "so it is conceivable one or more of those states could have provided some details to China," he said.

Andrew Erickson, a China military specialist at the US Naval War College and coauthor of the book "A Low-Visibility Force Multiplier: Assessing China's Cruise Missile Ambitions," said that while the CX-1's "precise provenance remains uncertain, the overall capabilities of China's cruise missile industry are clearly significant."

China continues to pursue foreign technological sources actively, "but is able to combine multiple technologies and vectors of inspiration with genuine indigenous capabilities to produce major new systems of its own," he said.

Kashin said the CX-1 is a product of the Chinese Academy of Launch Technology (CALT), or the 1st Academy under the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp. Most of China's cruise missiles, including the most advanced ones, are developed by China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp.'s 3rd Academy.

Kashin said though it is unusual for CALT to be "in this game, they do have very strong aerodynamics experts and other capabilities that they can parlay into competing in the ballistic missile and cruise missile sectors."

The CX-1 display at Zhuhai indicates the missile comes in two variants; the CX-1A ship-borne system and CX-1B road-mobile land-based system. With a range of 40 to 280 kilometers, the missile can carry a 260-kilogram warhead. These numbers are below Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) restrictions that ban missiles carrying payloads greater than 500 kilograms at ranges exceeding 300 kilometers.

However, Kashin suggested these numbers could be designed to mislead and that the actual capabilities of the missile might be greater than MTCR restrictions.

At speeds of Mach 3, the missile can strike a target within a circular error probability of 20 meters, according to the display. Warheads include a unitary semi-armor-piercing warhead for ships and a unitary fragmentation-blast warhead and unitary penetration warhead for land attack.

Each road-mobile launcher carries two missiles. When attacking a slow target, such as a ship, the missile can make a terminal horizontal attack by combining high and low cruise and employ the compound guidance of a strap-down inertial measurement unit and active radar seeker.

A land-based road-mobile unit would consist of one command vehicle, one integrated support vehicle, three launching vehicles, three transporter-loader vehicle and 12 canisters for two-wave attacks.

Airshow China, known officially as the 10th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, was held Nov. 11-16 in Zhuhai.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...Now-Exportable

 

[Ray]

China continues to pursue foreign technological sources actively, "but is able to combine multiple technologies and vectors of inspiration with genuine indigenous capabilities to produce major new systems of its own,"

Good for China and right as rain her manner of producing weaponry.