HMS Astute
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and we would have ,had not the present govt come into power......but it's too early to say about the performance of the present govt. Hope that the mistakes committed by previous govt won't be repeatedWe could beat Somalia one day, Jai Hind.
Yeah dude, it's democracygreat!!
democracy
As I said many a time, statistics depends up the selection of 'inputs' and it is manipulative to prove a point.@Ray
India lower than Jamaica? Something s wrong eh?
Not bad again for the doomed bumiputras. But I guess we have to double our effort to catch Bhutan...
We aren't into that kind of sham business.That's nice, an Indian corruption index. But I say why spend public money doing survey all over the World? I say just release the list.
Here are the top 5 least corrupt countries:
1. India;
2. Russia;
3. Iran;
4. Cuba;
5. Venezuela.
The corruption Index is based on current perceptions (not future) of people about the corruption in their own country both in public and private sector. So the issue of what is right or wrong to someone in India might not be the same in Malaysia is not relevant in the Index since the local population are the source of the data.As I said many a time, statistics depends up the selection of 'inputs' and it is manipulative to prove a point.
There is no scientific way to quantify the abstracts that all play a major role.
Corruption cannot be quantified.
'Lobbying' in the US is legal, but not in many parts of the world. In India is taken to be corruption.
Selling alcohol to Muslims in Malaysia is illegal, and yet it is done. It is corruption in Malaysia, but not in India or the US.
Have these aspects been cranked in?
So, what is corruption?
2011 Corruption Perceptions Index -- In DetailCorruption is the abuse of entrusted power for private gain. This is the working definition used by Transparency International (TI), applying to both the public and private sectors. The CPI focuses on corruption in the public sector, or corruption which involves public officials, civil servants or politicians. The data sources used to compile the index include questions relating to the abuse of public power and focus on: bribery of public officials, kickbacks in public procurement, embezzlement of public funds, and on questions that probe the strength and effectiveness of anti-corruption efforts in the public sector. As such, it covers both the administrative and political aspects of corruption. In producing the index, the scores of countries/territories for the specific corruption-related questions in the data sources are combined to calculate a single score for each country.
It appears to me that the moral of the story is that it is hogwash if it does not favor your country, and the people that picks this kind of survey are "gullible." Sweet talks on the other hand by foreign CEOs (like Samsung) who want to put up factories in your country are the gospel truth since they praise your country's future potential to the high heavens (as if the future is all but certain).Therefore, what is the moral of the story - statistics enamours the gullible and what is passed off as result is on western way of convenience and not the different parts of the world perceptions or world indexes and inputs in the issue.
@asianobserve, @kenduffy
Major corruption comes close whenever major events involving large sums of money, multiple 'players', or huge quantities of products (think of food and pharmaceuticals) often in disaster situations, are at stake. Preferably, corruption flourishes in situations involving high technology (no one understands the real quality and value of products), or in situations that are chaotic.
Think of civil war: who is responsible and who is the rebel? Natural disasters like earthquakes, floods, droughts. The global community reacts quickly but local government might be disorganised and disoriented. Who maintains law and order? Or maybe the purchase of a technologically far advanced aircraft, while only a few can understand the technologies implied in development and production of such a plane. Mostly , the sums of money involved are huge, a relatively small amount of corrupt payment is difficult to attract attention. Or the number of actions is very large, for instance in betting stations for results of Olympic Games or international soccer-tournaments which can easily be manipulated. Geo-politics might play a role like e.g. the East-West conflict did in the second half of the 20th century, in which the major country-alliances sought support from non-aligned countries.
Toppling govt through paid provocateurs is also corruption. The one who gives and the one who takes are equally corrupt. But has that been taken into consideration when computing the statistics?
So, who is to decide what is corruption?
West is not the sole judge and arbiter to decide the terms and it is the ones who swoon at anything of the West are the ones who perpetrate the 'corruption' that certain vested interests showcase from time to time as 'scientific' data. These statistics is basically to pursue their own interest by manipulative means. That, too, is a form of corruption.
We aren't into that kind of sham business.
We aren't Malayasia, Who pronounced G. W. Bush war criminal in a Kangaroo court presided over by a Ex. president of Malaysia.
Releasing fraudulent lists are 'truly Asian' tactics which the namesake country specializes in.
No, the moral of the story is not hogwash.The corruption Index is based on current perceptions (not future) of people about the corruption in their own country both in public and private sector. So the issue of what is right or wrong to someone in India might not be the same in Malaysia is not relevant in the Index since the local population are the source of the data.
Here's an informative resource on how the Index is formed: 2011 Corruption Perceptions Index -- In Detail
2011 Corruption Perceptions Index -- In Detail
It appears to me that the moral of the story is that it is hogwash if it does not favor your country, and the people that picks this kind of survey are "gullible." Sweet talks on the other hand by foreign CEOs (like Samsung) who want to put up factories in your country are the gospel truth since they praise your country's future potential to the high heavens (as if the future is all but certain).