Civil war in Ukraine

[pmaitra]

You have still not developed a 2+2.

That is a very meaningful statement.

Well done.

 

[Akim]

That is a very meaningful statement.

Well done.

There is no division of nationality. I - Russian, but Ukraine, @gadeshi - Ukrainian, but supports Russia. The point which divides us is an Empire.

 

[pmaitra]

There is no division of nationality.

Correct. The only division is an artificial line that needs to be deleted.

I - Russian, but Ukraine, @gadeshi - Ukrainian, but supports Russia. The point which divides us is an Empire.

Good that @gadeshi supports Russia. He wants to unite the country. You want to keep it divided.

 

[Akim]

Correct. The only division is an artificial line that needs to be deleted.


Good that @gadeshi supports Russia. He wants to unite the country. You want to keep it divided.

I don't want the Russian Empire. The formation of ugly.

 

[pmaitra]

I don't want the Russian Empire. The formation of ugly.

I have seen pictures by Prokudin-Gorsky. I don't want things to go back to those days. However, you should want to be like the Russian Federation, and that can happen by joining the Russian Federation.

The alternative is selling tomatoes at the Polish border while the chocolate seller travels to European capitals showing his passport tricks and begging for money.

 

[Akim]

I have seen pictures by Prokudin-Gorsky. I don't want things to go back to those days. However, you should want to be like the Russian Federation, and that can happen by joining the Russian Federation.

The alternative is selling tomatoes at the Polish border while the chocolate seller travels to European capitals showing his passport tricks and begging for money.

I don't want the Ukraine was part of the Russian Federation. That is why the Ukrainian soldiers are fighting.

 

[pmaitra]

I don't want the Ukraine was part of the Russian Federation. That is why the Ukrainian soldiers are fighting.

Ukrainian soldiers?

A soldier is one who defends the civilians. When soldiers slaughter the civilians, civilians take up arms and fight back. That is why you have Котёл after Котёл.

We've had such soldiers in India too. What is happening in Ukraine is no different.

Jallianwala Bagh massacre - Wikipedia

 

[Akim]

Ukrainian soldiers?

A soldier is one who defends the civilians. When soldiers slaughter the civilians, civilians take up arms and fight back. That is why you have Котёл after Котёл.

We've had such soldiers in India too. What is happening in Ukraine is no different.

Jallianwala Bagh massacre - Wikipedia

In any war effective propaganda. We're already discussed this in timeee about Syria. Also about "former miners and tractor drivers"believe that only info zombies..

 

[pmaitra]

In any war effective propaganda. We're already discussed this in timeee about Syria. Also about "former miners and tractor drivers"believe that only info zombies..

A wise man once said, if you don't feed your army for three days, your army will disappear.

That is what happened when the first detachment from Dnepropetrovsk was sent to Slavyansk.

This is the difference between miners and tractor drivers with motivation and an army that fights for employment.

Now, the Kiev Regime has to rely on their remaining motivated fighters, the neo-Nazi groups.

Just reminding you of your rump state, but don't let that stop you from believing whatever you want.

 

[Akim]

A wise man once said, if you don't feed your army for three days, your army will disappear.

That is what happened when the first detachment from Dnepropetrovsk was sent to Slavyansk.

This is the difference between miners and tractor drivers with motivation and an army that fights for employment.

Now, the Kiev Regime has to rely on their remaining motivated fighters, the neo-Nazi groups.

Just reminding you of your rump state, but don't let that stop you from believing whatever you want.

What's in your head porridge. I even too lazy to correct your mistakes. It's like SAM "Buk". Still, the world will know the truth about this war.
PACE has adopted a Declaration of Russian aggression in Ukraine. Propaganda can not hide the lies

 

[pmaitra]

What's in your head porridge. I even too lazy to correct your mistakes. It's like SAM "Buk". Still, the world will know the truth about this war.
PACE has adopted a Declaration of Russian aggression in Ukraine. Propaganda can not hide the lies

What's in my head?

It's not porridge. It's hatchet-porridge.

 

[Akim]

What's in my head?

It's not porridge. It's hatchet-porridge.

If you ate cereal, you understood the analogy.

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

Good news. Steimeier has common sense. Frau Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkelovskaya is still stuck up with her Germano-Polish loyalties, along with Donald Tusk and Radoslav Sikorsky.

It is about time the German show their Bundeskanslerin the door and get someone with common sense, someone like Steinmeier.

Soon, they will ask Petro Chocolatashenko to go pound sand and start normalizing relations with Russia.

Recently, EU cabal failed to agree on a new round of sanctions on Russia. Looks like Russian counter-sanctions are biting hard.

Diminishing credibility of the EU’s Russia sanctions (little old article but good points)

The pressure on member states’ governments is mounting noticeably, and has been reflected in a large number of digressions from the common line on Russian sanctions in the past month.

France’s Minister of Agriculture Stéphane Le Foll stated that if it were only up to him, he would lift the sanctions imposed by the EU on Russia. The Italian Minister of Agriculture Maurizio Martina was seen at the Prodexpo in Moscow last month, showing his support for Italian producers with activities in Russia. And Bavarian Minister President Horst Seehofer – German Food, Agriculture and Consumer Protection minister from 2005-2008 – undermined his own government’s position on Russia, claiming that key international geostrategic challenges can only be solved with Russia’s involvement.

The appeals for an end to the sanctions are no longer a few isolated voices. Austrian Vice Chancellor Reinhold Mitterlehner, Bulgaria’s Minister of Agriculture Desislava Taneva, Slovakia’s Prime Minister Robert Fico, and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban all made similar comments in the course of the last month, all in favour of putting an end to the sanctions against Russia.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/ag...ppening-with-the-eus-russia-sanctions-policy/

PS** sooner or later the chocolate boy will run out of options

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

Private commercial vessels from several EU states reportedly still go to the seaports of Russian-occupied Crimea, in a blow to the international sanctions prohibiting any interaction with the peninsula.

This is according to a report assessing the effectiveness of maritime restrictions against Crimea, imposed by the West after the annexation.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/which-eu-commercial-ships-still-go-to-russian-occupied-crimea-781809.html

European Union leaders are set to explore the possibility of improving strained ties with Russia in response to growing irritation among some member states over economic sanctions imposed on Moscow over its role in the Ukraine crisis.

A series of Reuters investigations recently showed how European companies including German retailer Metro and France's Auchan were doing business in Crimea despite the punitive sanctions regime there.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...s/news-story/2163cfa319fd705ed642bdd2f52452f8

:bounce:

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

EU parliament backs cancelling visas for Ukrainians

Ukrainians' hopes of securing visa-free travel to the European Union received a boost on Monday when a key committee of the European Parliament backed their cause, but further hurdles remain, Reutersinform.

The powerful duo of Germany and France oppose granting more visa-free movement before the bloc has beefed up an emergency mechanism that will allow the swift suspension of more lenient travel rules in the event of a sharp increase in immigration.

Still, Ukraine faces stiffer resistance from some EU member states at a time of heightened public concern over immigration after more than a million migrants and refugees arrived in the bloc last year.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/eu-parliament-backs-cancelling-visas-for-ukrainians-754133.html

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

How EU firms skirt sanctions to do business in Crimea

Products for sale in the Crimean stores of two European retailers are being shipped there from Russia via a ferry and port that are subject to EU sanctions, people involved in the transportation said, suggesting companies are finding ways around the punitive economic regime facing Moscow since 2014.

Products carrying the brands of Germany's Metro AG and Auchan [AUCH.UL] of France are visibly for sale on the shelves of the retailers' Crimean subsidiaries.

People involved in transporting the goods say they arrived via a ferry that serves the Crimean port of Kerch. European companies are banned from doing business with the ferry and the port under EU sanctions imposed on Russia after it annexed Crimea from Ukraine.

Both retailers said they were not violating the sanctions because the stores are operated by their Russian subsidiaries, which are not subject to the EU sanctions.

A representative of the Kerch port referred questions about Metro and Auchan to the ferry operator, saying the port only controls shipping, not cargo. A representative of the ferry operator said it does not have contracts with Metro or Auchan and does not know if they use the ferry.

Legal experts said the transfer of goods to Crimea may fall in a gray area of the sanctions regime because the relationship between parent companies and sub-contractors is often hard to define.

In emailed comments in response to questions, Metro and Auchan did not contest that their goods were being shipped via the Kerch ferry and port to their subsidiaries' stores in Crimea.

A spokesman for Metro said Metro stores in Crimea are operated by independent Russian entities and staff that are not subject to EU sanctions.

He said Metro is "fully aware of and complies with the EU laws and regulations, and, in this particular case, the applicable sanctions."

A spokesman for Auchan, which operates one store in Crimea, said the company always operates within the rules that are in force, including European Union decisions.

Asked about the activities of the EU retailers in Crimea, an EU official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said: "This is against the spirit of the sanctions. But in the absence of a trade embargo, there is always a fine line between compliance and non-compliance."

A European Commission spokeswoman, Maja Kocijancic, asked if Brussels was worried about whether the sanctions were being respected, said implementing sanctions was the responsibility of EU member states.

The French government had no immediate comment. Germany's Economy Ministry said it could not comment on specifics, but that violators of EU sanctions face penalties. It said in cases involving a German firm, it was up to the German Customs Investigation bureau to asses if sanctions have been breached. The bureau declined to comment.

EU SANCTIONS

The EU sanctions on Russia do not bar European firms and citizens from doing business in Crimea. They do restrict some new investments and dealings with certain designated people and entities such as the Kerch ferry company - the main transport link between Russia and Crimea - and the port of Kerch.

According to several transport companies providing services to Auchan and Metro, as well as sources in the two retailers' Russian units, and a western food company, trucking firms load up at the retailers' distribution centers in Russia.

The goods then cross to Crimea on the ferry, then trucks disembark at Kerch, then deliver the goods to the Metro and Auchan stores in Crimea.

Reuters has no evidence of any payment from Metro or Auchan to the sanctioned entities.

The goods are transported by sub-contractors, and the stores in Crimea are operated by Russian-registered units of Metro and Auchan, not by the parent companies. The Russian units are not subject to EU sanctions.

"In general, EU-based parent companies can be held liable if they have instructed their local unit to act in violation of the sanctions," said Artem Zhavoronkov, partner at law firm Dentons.


METRO GOODS

The two Metro stores in Crimea are operated by Metro Group entities incorporated under Russian law - Retail Property 5 (RP5) and Retail Property 6 (RP6).

Metro Group is not involved in "local operational details" concerning the stores, according to the spokesman for the group. Metro said most products in its Crimean stores, including Metro branded goods, were sourced from Russian suppliers.

But when a Reuters reporter visited the Metro store in Simferopol, Crimea, in August, she saw on the shelves Italian rice, EU-origin chocolate, pastry, and packaged groceries, all imported into Russia by Metro's Russian unit registered in Moscow, according to their labels. A source at Metro Group Logistic, the retailer's Russian logistics unit, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said Metro contracts third-party transport companies to truck goods from its distribution centers in southern Russia via the ferry to Crimea. This arrangement was confirmed by sources at a Metro supplier and at one of the transport companies involved, Transcargo.

Aleksey Kormilicyn, CEO at Metro Group's RP6, said by email RP6 was using logistics firms to arrange transportation of goods to Crimea and they were "instructed not to use any sanctioned entity when supplying goods."

He did not reply to an emailed question on how the unit ensures the sub-contractors comply with that instruction.

Auchan has similar arrangements for supplying some of the goods to its Crimea store, according to transportation companies and a source in Auchan Russia.

On the shelves at Auchan's store in Simferopol when a Reuters reporter visited were fruit and vegetable conserve, chocolate, coffee, ketchup, olive oil, crackers and frozen pizza - all carrying the in-house Auchan-BIO brand.

The Auchan spokesman said the store is operated by Auchan Retail Russia, the firm's Russian unit.

The company did not respond to detailed questions from Reuters about the store's supply logistics.



(Additional reporting by Maria Kiselyova, Olesya Astakhova, Lidia Kelly, Anastasia Teterevleva in MOSCOW, Matthias Inverardi in DUESSELDORF, Gabriela Baczynska and Robin Emmott in BRUSSELS, Rene Wagner in BERLIN, and John Irish and Leigh Thomas in PARIS; Writing by Maria Kiselyova; Editing by Christian Lowe and Giles Elgood)

http://uatoday.tv/news/how-eu-firms-skirt-sanctions-to-do-business-in-crimea-reuters-751568.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-sanctions-insig-idUSKCN11R1AN

 

[pmaitra]

If you ate cereal, you understood the analogy.

Boil bark, collect moss.
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[Bahamut]

How EU firms skirt sanctions to do business in Crimea

Products for sale in the Crimean stores of two European retailers are being shipped there from Russia via a ferry and port that are subject to EU sanctions, people involved in the transportation said, suggesting companies are finding ways around the punitive economic regime facing Moscow since 2014.

Products carrying the brands of Germany's Metro AG and Auchan [AUCH.UL] of France are visibly for sale on the shelves of the retailers' Crimean subsidiaries.

People involved in transporting the goods say they arrived via a ferry that serves the Crimean port of Kerch. European companies are banned from doing business with the ferry and the port under EU sanctions imposed on Russia after it annexed Crimea from Ukraine.

Both retailers said they were not violating the sanctions because the stores are operated by their Russian subsidiaries, which are not subject to the EU sanctions.

A representative of the Kerch port referred questions about Metro and Auchan to the ferry operator, saying the port only controls shipping, not cargo. A representative of the ferry operator said it does not have contracts with Metro or Auchan and does not know if they use the ferry.

Legal experts said the transfer of goods to Crimea may fall in a gray area of the sanctions regime because the relationship between parent companies and sub-contractors is often hard to define.

In emailed comments in response to questions, Metro and Auchan did not contest that their goods were being shipped via the Kerch ferry and port to their subsidiaries' stores in Crimea.

A spokesman for Metro said Metro stores in Crimea are operated by independent Russian entities and staff that are not subject to EU sanctions.

He said Metro is "fully aware of and complies with the EU laws and regulations, and, in this particular case, the applicable sanctions."

A spokesman for Auchan, which operates one store in Crimea, said the company always operates within the rules that are in force, including European Union decisions.

Asked about the activities of the EU retailers in Crimea, an EU official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said: "This is against the spirit of the sanctions. But in the absence of a trade embargo, there is always a fine line between compliance and non-compliance."

A European Commission spokeswoman, Maja Kocijancic, asked if Brussels was worried about whether the sanctions were being respected, said implementing sanctions was the responsibility of EU member states.

The French government had no immediate comment. Germany's Economy Ministry said it could not comment on specifics, but that violators of EU sanctions face penalties. It said in cases involving a German firm, it was up to the German Customs Investigation bureau to asses if sanctions have been breached. The bureau declined to comment.

EU SANCTIONS

The EU sanctions on Russia do not bar European firms and citizens from doing business in Crimea. They do restrict some new investments and dealings with certain designated people and entities such as the Kerch ferry company - the main transport link between Russia and Crimea - and the port of Kerch.

According to several transport companies providing services to Auchan and Metro, as well as sources in the two retailers' Russian units, and a western food company, trucking firms load up at the retailers' distribution centers in Russia.

The goods then cross to Crimea on the ferry, then trucks disembark at Kerch, then deliver the goods to the Metro and Auchan stores in Crimea.

Reuters has no evidence of any payment from Metro or Auchan to the sanctioned entities.

The goods are transported by sub-contractors, and the stores in Crimea are operated by Russian-registered units of Metro and Auchan, not by the parent companies. The Russian units are not subject to EU sanctions.

"In general, EU-based parent companies can be held liable if they have instructed their local unit to act in violation of the sanctions," said Artem Zhavoronkov, partner at law firm Dentons.


METRO GOODS

The two Metro stores in Crimea are operated by Metro Group entities incorporated under Russian law - Retail Property 5 (RP5) and Retail Property 6 (RP6).

Metro Group is not involved in "local operational details" concerning the stores, according to the spokesman for the group. Metro said most products in its Crimean stores, including Metro branded goods, were sourced from Russian suppliers.

But when a Reuters reporter visited the Metro store in Simferopol, Crimea, in August, she saw on the shelves Italian rice, EU-origin chocolate, pastry, and packaged groceries, all imported into Russia by Metro's Russian unit registered in Moscow, according to their labels. A source at Metro Group Logistic, the retailer's Russian logistics unit, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said Metro contracts third-party transport companies to truck goods from its distribution centers in southern Russia via the ferry to Crimea. This arrangement was confirmed by sources at a Metro supplier and at one of the transport companies involved, Transcargo.

Aleksey Kormilicyn, CEO at Metro Group's RP6, said by email RP6 was using logistics firms to arrange transportation of goods to Crimea and they were "instructed not to use any sanctioned entity when supplying goods."

He did not reply to an emailed question on how the unit ensures the sub-contractors comply with that instruction.

Auchan has similar arrangements for supplying some of the goods to its Crimea store, according to transportation companies and a source in Auchan Russia.

On the shelves at Auchan's store in Simferopol when a Reuters reporter visited were fruit and vegetable conserve, chocolate, coffee, ketchup, olive oil, crackers and frozen pizza - all carrying the in-house Auchan-BIO brand.

The Auchan spokesman said the store is operated by Auchan Retail Russia, the firm's Russian unit.

The company did not respond to detailed questions from Reuters about the store's supply logistics.



(Additional reporting by Maria Kiselyova, Olesya Astakhova, Lidia Kelly, Anastasia Teterevleva in MOSCOW, Matthias Inverardi in DUESSELDORF, Gabriela Baczynska and Robin Emmott in BRUSSELS, Rene Wagner in BERLIN, and John Irish and Leigh Thomas in PARIS; Writing by Maria Kiselyova; Editing by Christian Lowe and Giles Elgood)

http://uatoday.tv/news/how-eu-firms-skirt-sanctions-to-do-business-in-crimea-reuters-751568.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-sanctions-insig-idUSKCN11R1AN

Most businesses in France and Germany has stated it clearly that they want sanction gone.

 

[Akim]

Boil bark, collect moss.
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Thanks for the advice. Now I know how to survive the winter.

 

[gadeshi]

Local representatives election primeries in DPR has shown high political activity: