China - World's greatest Copycat

[Daredevil]

Drug companies have repeatedly brought their complaints to the Indian government but it doesn't matter b/c it wants to protect its domestic pharmaceutical companies.


Is the Chinese motorcycle company a state owned company?

India has already made change in patent laws to address the issue of generic drugs. Now companies making generic drugs of other companies will have to pay licensing fee. In fact, generic drugs from India is a life and death issue for many a patients in developing countries owing to its lower costs.

INDIA ALTERS LAW ON DRUG PATENTS - New York Times

Pretty much all of the companies started in China are owned by CCP thugs or state owned. Who knows if this company could belong to one of those categories.

 

[Koji]

India has already made change in patent laws to address the issue of generic drugs. Now companies making generic drugs of other companies will have to pay licensing fee. In fact, generic drugs from India is a life and death issue for many a patients in developing countries owing to its lower costs.

INDIA ALTERS LAW ON DRUG PATENTS - New York Times

Pretty much all of the companies started in China are owned by CCP thugs or state owned. Who knows if this company could belong to one of those categories.

Not if this company was created after the reforms. They are in the process of privatizing their state enterprises.

Indian pharmaceuticals do provide the world with a cheap alternative to the namebrand drugs out there, and this is a very good thing. But what it does is that it stifles innovation in other companies b/c they no longer have the incentive to spend hundreds of millions to develop new drugs if there are Indian companies that won't respect their patents.

 

[Daredevil]

Not if this company was created after the reforms. They are in the process of privatizing their state enterprises.

Privatize to whom. Who has the money to buy within China apart from CCP thugs. There were never private enterprises for anyone to make the kind of money that is needed to buy such state-owned companies.

Indian pharmaceuticals do provide the world with a cheap alternative to the namebrand drugs out there, and this is a very good thing. But what it does is that it stifles innovation in other companies b/c they no longer have the incentive to spend hundreds of millions to develop new drugs if there are Indian companies that won't respect their patents.

That is why license-fees to be paid as a means of royalty to the drug innovating companies and at the same time providing affordable drugs to needy people in third world countries.

 

[Payeng]

Originally Posted by Koji
Don't be so high and mighty. India is known throughout the world as the center of illegal production of drugs that were developed by other companies and still under patent protection, and the kick is that the government is aware of this.

"While on paper this has occurred, in many countries pharmaceutical patent protection is either not enforced or—as in India—it is explicitly excluded from the TRIPS agreement."

How come these pharmaceutical companies are not sued by the government in India?


On a lesser scale, I've seen copied movies being peddled in India for less than a dollar in the streets all over the place.

Dear Koji please do care to read you given link once more and understand what it means to say, and please specify where the term 'illegal' is mentioned and how GOI supports illegal producers of drugs, state your claims with firm proofs. For reference come out of your communist mind and try to understand why TRIPS are practiced and its relation with medicines, also refer to the Doha Decleration of 2001 for you kind reference. After that relate how excluding TRIPS from medicine and selling Gulsar in Latin america have a one to one relation.

 

[Koji]

Privatize to whom. Who has the money to buy within China apart from CCP thugs. There were never private enterprises for anyone to make the kind of money that is needed to buy such state-owned companies.



That is why license-fees to be paid as a means of royalty to the drug innovating companies and at the same time providing affordable drugs to needy people in third world countries.

Plenty of people have money now, aside from CCP officials. As a matter of fact, a lot of their state owned firms are open for domestic and international investment.

Admirable goal of providing cheap drugs, but nevertheless still very illegal.

 

[Daredevil]

Plenty of people have money now, aside from CCP officials. As a matter of fact, a lot of their state owned firms are open for domestic and international investment.

Admirable goal of providing cheap drugs, but nevertheless still very illegal.

Probably you don't know how to read. I said, they need to pay licensing fee, so it is not illegal.

 

[Payeng]

Plenty of people have money now, aside from CCP officials. As a matter of fact, a lot of their state owned firms are open for domestic and international investment.

Admirable goal of providing cheap drugs, but nevertheless still very illegal.

Its not illegal WTO itself have provided provisions for medicine trade. Its a moral responsibility and you term it as illegal?

 

[Yusuf]

Koji, if you take the case of AIDS coctail of medicines or other life saving drugs, then the patent issue on those have been worked out under UN auspicious to provide affordable medicines to the poor especially in Africa.

 

[Payeng]

@ Koji

Social responsibilities, Moral responsibilities and business ethics are not what I individually claim but are terms used while formulating business strategies, those issues which have negated such factors are in due ratification and are corrected latter on such as the 'Doha Deceleration' providing medicine need not to be mentioned that it is a moral responsibility, but in the otherwise while designing an automobile you need to do extensive market research, study needs wants and demands of the prospect and formulate a market strategy to capture a segmented market and a lot more, risk and uncertainty is also a matter of concern, at the end of the day you spend a lot to learn how to market a product and to protect such efforts TRIPS are meant for, so that some buffoons just don't simply copy the end product and make money out of your efforts, Though I don't say TRIPS have no cons, but it is a necessary part of the business world which cannot be negate and it assists in the due course of economic activity in a larger sense.

Remember technology is market driven which needs IPR protection, If not you won't be sitting in front of your PC visiting this forum.

Pure Communism fails to deliver this needful.

 

[mattster]

China's ability to copy a design no matter how small or large, simple or complex is truly phenomenal.

The Chinese are taking industrial counterfeiting, reverse engineering, and hi-tech espionage to an absolute "art-form".

I am no fan of China but lets give credit where credit is due - it doesnt matter whether you are talking about Gucci handbags, 5th gen stealth aircraft, high-speed trains, Sukhoi aircraft, cars, watches, jeeps, Iphones, electronics, software, hardware, anything at all.

No country has ever been so good at copying - I take a bow to China.

Can some of our Chinese readers please explain how China became so good in this area. What is the secret besides the lax enforcement.
China has the best industrial espionage in the world. Nobody does it as well as the chinese. They can even get an Indian guy in US to sell them secrets.....amazing.

What is even more amazing is that many companies still want to invest and do R&D in China even with all the copying.
That's even more amazing !!

 

[JustForLaughs]

Chinese have the ability to do anything we want. a lot of groups say that, but China actually proves it consistently. from olympic medal haul to modernizing the military.

oh btw, Chinese are working on innovation as well.

China ranks 4th in patent application, India lags
http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/China-ranks-4th-patent-pti-1779538635.html

China's emergence in technology and innovation
http://knowledge.insead.edu/economy-china-technology-and-innovation-100527.cfm

SCIENCE AND INNOVATION: COUNTRY NOTES OECD SCIENCE, 166 TECHNOLOGY AND INDUSTRY OUTLOOK 2010 © OECD 2010 CHINA
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/30/15/46663975.pdf

China Surpasses Japan in R&D as Powers Shift
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703734204576019713917682354.html#ixzz18ClucVUH

China to be Major Innovation Nation
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/tri_china-to-be-major-innovation-nation-1365933.html

 

[Ray]

While it is exasperating that China gets things done through non conventional and straight way, yet, given that China has an agenda to take on world powers, they are convinced that means justify ends.

Well, that is their way of operating and if the world does not appreciate it, then the world should devise ways to ensure China does not get industrial and military secrets through means that are not straight.

Is the world ready for that?

While I don't condone the way China is at it, yet if the world is not capable of halting such modus operandi, then the world must grin and bear it!

Bellyaching won't change China.

 

[Armand2REP]

I am no fan of China but lets give credit where credit is due - it doesnt matter whether you are talking about Gucci handbags, 5th gen stealth aircraft, high-speed trains, Sukhoi aircraft, cars, watches, jeeps, Iphones, electronics, software, hardware, anything at all.

You do have to give them some credit for their ability to xerox, but they don't copy nearly as much of the complex stuff as you think. Much of it is exported under license assembly and China claims domestic production. High Speed Train engines, car engines, aircraft engines, helicopter engines, marine engines, nuclear generators, hydro turbines, coal steam turbines, power transformers, LNG storage... anything to do with making things run, China has to import. This dependence is what keeps China from really exerting a truly aggressive foreign policy and military build up. Thank God for that.

No country has ever been so good at copying - I take a bow to China.

Can some of our Chinese readers please explain how China became so good in this area. What is the secret besides the lax enforcement.
China has the best industrial espionage in the world. Nobody does it as well as the chinese. They can even get an Indian guy in US to sell them secrets.....amazing.

What is even more amazing is that many companies still want to invest and do R&D in China even with all the copying.
That's even more amazing !!

Follow the money my friend. China is the largest potential market in the world, that potential is what allows China to get away with what it does. Some of the world's top companies rely on China to boost their growth, and those lobbyists have much sway in Western parliaments. China also ties themselves to their markets by buying the FOREX of major currencies that bolster their value so they continue to buy their cheap exports. If you have billions to pour into industrial espionage and there is no enforcement to stop it, you can get away with alot. Most of what they steal is already in China, gotten through the subsidiary company network. Their well educated expat population also gets agents into key areas and give them money to spend to turn others. It is done on a scale not even the USSR could comprehend.

 

[Armand2REP]

Chinese have the ability to do anything we want. a lot of groups say that, but China actually proves it consistently. from olympic medal haul to modernizing the military.

oh btw, Chinese are working on innovation as well.

China ranks 4th in patent application, India lags
http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/China-ranks-4th-patent-pti-1779538635.html

China's emergence in technology and innovation
http://knowledge.insead.edu/economy-china-technology-and-innovation-100527.cfm

SCIENCE AND INNOVATION: COUNTRY NOTES OECD SCIENCE, 166 TECHNOLOGY AND INDUSTRY OUTLOOK 2010 © OECD 2010 CHINA
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/30/15/46663975.pdf

China Surpasses Japan in R&D as Powers Shift
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703734204576019713917682354.html#ixzz18ClucVUH

China to be Major Innovation Nation
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/tri_china-to-be-major-innovation-nation-1365933.html

You finally post what your name implies. That was good for just a laugh.

 

[mattster]

You're points are very valid Armand. They have not successfully copied jet engine technology and other real sophisticated stuff.

Another good point you made is their diaspora in Western countries - they use these entrenched guys to steal secrets.
It works very well. But India also has that same advantage, but you dont see Indians do that.

 

[amoy]

Another good point you made is their diaspora in Western countries - they use these entrenched guys to steal secrets.
It works very well.

from your initial post I guessed u'd come to this conclusion in the end. so cheers for my intuition

But India also has that same advantage, but you dont see Indians do that.

so I have the same question

 

[JustForLaughs]

You finally post what your name implies. That was good for just a laugh.

i found certain links i posted there absolutely hilarious as well. dont worry, you will catch up one day.

 

[Armand2REP]

i found certain links i posted there absolutely hilarious as well. dont worry, you will catch up one day.

I can't beat that...

Chinese patents = worthless

citation per capita near zero

innovation zero as it is copycat

only thing really there is R&D spending but it is copying things already invented

 

[pmaitra]

Dear all,

I present the following videos for your kind perusal:

 

[pmaitra]

Gulsar or Pulsar?

Gulsar or Pulsar?

Was it intentional, or was it a mere coincidence?

Pulsar:

Gulsar:

Pulsar:

Gulsar:

Question to all viewers: Do you see the similarities too or is it just me?