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https://www.ft.com/content/e732ed73-8775-4675-ba03-e68e32d0b12d

‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals Better performance and affordability are driving the market Beijing’s way, according to battery materials maker Umicore Chinese carmaker BYD has overtaken Elon Musk’s Tesla as the world’s biggest producer of EVs © Toya Sarno Jordan/Reuters ‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals on x (opens in a new window) ‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals on facebook (opens in a new window) ‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals on linkedin (opens in a new window) Save current progress 90% Harry Dempsey in London and Edward White in Shanghai MARCH 3 2024 514 Print this page Stay informed with free updates Simply sign up to the Electric vehicles myFT Digest -- delivered directly to your inbox. US carmakers are struggling to sell electric vehicles while the Chinese market powers ahead because their products are inferior, according to one of the world’s biggest battery materials manufacturers. Mathias Miedreich, chief executive of Umicore, said sales of Chinese electric cars were surging in contrast to the US due to better performance and affordability. “They are simply good cars and people buy them,” he said in an interview, referring to Chinese vehicles. “The American ones [producers] seem to struggle to bring good electric vehicles [to market].” The boss of the Belgian producer of cathode materials for EV batteries, which counts Volkswagen, BMW and China’s Envision AESC among its customers, added that US carmakers were also pulling back on factory expansion plans for electric vehicles because of weak demand. In China, electric car sales including plug-in hybrids surged 36 per cent to 7.7mn in 2023, up from 5.7mn in 2022, according to data from the China Passenger Car Association. Electric vehicles made up more than a third of the 21.7mn new vehicles sold in China last year compared with 28 per cent in 2022. Although electric car sales including plug-in hybrids rose sharply in the US last year, the market is small. US sales rose 58 per cent to 1.5mn in 2023, only 9.6 per cent of the total. This was an increase from 931,700 in 2002, 6.8 per cent of the total, according to consultancy CRU Group. Chinese carmaker BYD, backed by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, has also overtaken Elon Musk’s Tesla as the world’s biggest producer of EVs, underlining the success of the country’s electric manufacturers. The weak demand in the US has prompted Ford to cut production of its F-150 Lightning electric truck and scale back on a battery plant in Michigan. General Motors and Tesla have paused some of their EV expansion plans. However, there are cultural factors behind the success of the Chinese market compared with America, which is considered a tougher nut to crack. This is because drivers in the US prefer larger vehicles, which motor analysts say need more expensive batteries, making them harder to sell. “It’s a lack of affordable vehicles that is holding back more profound growth in EV adoption in the US,” said Sam Adham, analyst at CRU Group. Despite the majority of journeys being 50 miles or less, analysts say many US drivers bristle at the idea of buying an EV unless it can travel long distances on a single charge, commonly called “range anxiety”. Climate Capital Where climate change meets business, markets and politics. Explore the FT’s coverage here. Are you curious about the FT’s environmental sustainability commitments? Find out more about our science-based targets here Consequently, Asian groups Toyota and Hyundai say solid-state batteries are key to unlocking the US market, Miedreich said, as they have far greater driving range on a single charge than current batteries. He added that it could be difficult for Ford and GM to attract future customers for EVs “because from a product point of view, the market has made their choices already”. The Chinese have “at the end of the day what the market needs”, he said. Miedreich’s comments also add to growing scepticism over whether the US Inflation Reduction Act, President Joe Biden’s flagship climate change programme, has accelerated demand for EVs as much as expected. “The end market stimulation through the $7,500 [tax credit] was probably not enough because what was forgotten is you still need good products,” the Umicore boss said. The IRA entitles consumers of electric vehicles to a clean vehicle tax credit of up to $7,500 as long as the raw materials and components meet certain thresholds. Umicore has been hit hard by the falling price of platinum, palladium and rhodium, which has affected its combustion engine business as these metals are components of catalytic converters. It has cut capital expenditure plans to €3.8bn from more than €5bn for 2022 to 2026 and announced in February a slump in net profit of 32 per cent to €385mn in 2023, depressing its share price to eight-year lows. Additional reporting by Gloria Li in Hong Kong
 

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China's foreign trade up 8.7% in Jan-Feb period
By Zhong Nan (Chinadaily.com.cn) 13:14, March 07, 2024

China's foreign trade expanded 8.7 percent year-on-year to 6.61 trillion yuan ($847.4 billion) in the first two months of 2024, official data showed on Thursday.

The country's exports grew by 10.3 percent year-on-year to 3.75 trillion yuan for the January-February period, while imports increased 6.7 percent from a year earlier to 2.86 trillion yuan, statistics from the General Administration of Customs showed.

In the meantime, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations remained China's largest trade partner. China's trade with ASEAN countries rose 8.1 percent year-on-year to 993.24 billion yuan, accounting for 15 percent of the country's total trade value.

From January to February, China's trade with the European Union declined 1.3 percent from a year earlier, while its imports and exports with the United States grew by 3.7 percent on a yearly basis.

The import and export volume of China's private businesses reached 3.61 trillion yuan in the first two months of this year, surging by 17.7 percent on a yearly basis, and accounting for 54.6 percent of the nation's total foreign trade value.
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‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals Better performance and affordability are driving the market Beijing’s way, according to battery materials maker Umicore Chinese carmaker BYD has overtaken Elon Musk’s Tesla as the world’s biggest producer of EVs © Toya Sarno Jordan/Reuters ‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals on x (opens in a new window) ‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals on facebook (opens in a new window) ‘Simply good’ Chinese electric cars power ahead of inferior US rivals on linkedin (opens in a new window) Save current progress 90% Harry Dempsey in London and Edward White in Shanghai MARCH 3 2024 514 Print this page Stay informed with free updates Simply sign up to the Electric vehicles myFT Digest -- delivered directly to your inbox. US carmakers are struggling to sell electric vehicles while the Chinese market powers ahead because their products are inferior, according to one of the world’s biggest battery materials manufacturers. Mathias Miedreich, chief executive of Umicore, said sales of Chinese electric cars were surging in contrast to the US due to better performance and affordability. “They are simply good cars and people buy them,” he said in an interview, referring to Chinese vehicles. “The American ones [producers] seem to struggle to bring good electric vehicles [to market].” The boss of the Belgian producer of cathode materials for EV batteries, which counts Volkswagen, BMW and China’s Envision AESC among its customers, added that US carmakers were also pulling back on factory expansion plans for electric vehicles because of weak demand. In China, electric car sales including plug-in hybrids surged 36 per cent to 7.7mn in 2023, up from 5.7mn in 2022, according to data from the China Passenger Car Association. Electric vehicles made up more than a third of the 21.7mn new vehicles sold in China last year compared with 28 per cent in 2022. Although electric car sales including plug-in hybrids rose sharply in the US last year, the market is small. US sales rose 58 per cent to 1.5mn in 2023, only 9.6 per cent of the total. This was an increase from 931,700 in 2002, 6.8 per cent of the total, according to consultancy CRU Group. Chinese carmaker BYD, backed by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, has also overtaken Elon Musk’s Tesla as the world’s biggest producer of EVs, underlining the success of the country’s electric manufacturers. The weak demand in the US has prompted Ford to cut production of its F-150 Lightning electric truck and scale back on a battery plant in Michigan. General Motors and Tesla have paused some of their EV expansion plans. However, there are cultural factors behind the success of the Chinese market compared with America, which is considered a tougher nut to crack. This is because drivers in the US prefer larger vehicles, which motor analysts say need more expensive batteries, making them harder to sell. “It’s a lack of affordable vehicles that is holding back more profound growth in EV adoption in the US,” said Sam Adham, analyst at CRU Group. Despite the majority of journeys being 50 miles or less, analysts say many US drivers bristle at the idea of buying an EV unless it can travel long distances on a single charge, commonly called “range anxiety”. Climate Capital Where climate change meets business, markets and politics. Explore the FT’s coverage here. Are you curious about the FT’s environmental sustainability commitments? Find out more about our science-based targets here Consequently, Asian groups Toyota and Hyundai say solid-state batteries are key to unlocking the US market, Miedreich said, as they have far greater driving range on a single charge than current batteries. He added that it could be difficult for Ford and GM to attract future customers for EVs “because from a product point of view, the market has made their choices already”. The Chinese have “at the end of the day what the market needs”, he said. Miedreich’s comments also add to growing scepticism over whether the US Inflation Reduction Act, President Joe Biden’s flagship climate change programme, has accelerated demand for EVs as much as expected. “The end market stimulation through the $7,500 [tax credit] was probably not enough because what was forgotten is you still need good products,” the Umicore boss said. The IRA entitles consumers of electric vehicles to a clean vehicle tax credit of up to $7,500 as long as the raw materials and components meet certain thresholds. Umicore has been hit hard by the falling price of platinum, palladium and rhodium, which has affected its combustion engine business as these metals are components of catalytic converters. It has cut capital expenditure plans to €3.8bn from more than €5bn for 2022 to 2026 and announced in February a slump in net profit of 32 per cent to €385mn in 2023, depressing its share price to eight-year lows. Additional reporting by Gloria Li in Hong Kong

 

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Now that China has made significant inroads into Mexico, is the US next? Get the full story:


you never have been to Mexico, you dream EV are not tailored to mexican roads, chinese EVs are not gaining any sales pure fantasy from you
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In 2026 there is going to be a review of the current trade agreement with the USA since China does not buy from Mexico as the US does you will see we will close you the doors


This should be a good sign that the three countries can agree to add new provisions and enhance the USMCA during the mandated six-year review in 2026. However, a small number of current disputes could undermine support for extending the agreement.


 

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WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 2023

Be careful with the potholes! The nightmare of bicycles, motorcycles and motorists
Although the GCDMX claims to have attended to 6,803 potholes, cyclists, motorcyclists and motorists complain about the danger posed by the poor condition of the streets.
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wow making inroads in Mexico
 

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Now that China has made significant inroads into Mexico, is the US next? Get the full story:


Así les fue a las marcas de autos en México en enero de 2024
PosiciónFabricanteVentas 2024Ventas 2023Diferencia
1Nissan19,97017,14716.50%
2General Motors15,45910,42248.30%
3Grupo Volkswagen13,61510,29132.30%
4Toyota9,2648,35610.90%
5KIA8,2047,5059.30%
6Stellantis6,954-25.20%
7Mazda6,3366,591-3.90%
8Ford4,3403,35729.30%
9MG Motor4,0083,53613.30%
10Hyundai3,7653,27315.00%
11Honda3,4603,1778.90%
12Renault3,3012,80517.70%
13Suzuki3,2752,79117.30%
14Chirey2,6003,002-13.40%
15JAC1,7011,706-0.30%
16Mitsubishi1,5351,07942.30%
17BMW Group1,2361,334-7.30%
18Mercedes-Benz88376914.80%
19Motornation82050462.70%
20Subaru322336-4.20%
21Volvo3063040.70%
22Lexus22916241.40%
23Land Rover12247159.60%
24Lincoln11610411.50%
25Infiniti1015777.20%
26Isuzu90900.00%
27Acura77105-26.70%
28Jaguar11922.20%

reality no the chinese brands are not the top option
 

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Although the BYD-Liverpool alliance that was announced last June contemplated a sales projection of 1,700 electric cars for this year, the Chinese brand has not achieved the initial estimates due to adjustments in the calendar and challenges faced by the automotive industry. in general.

David García, director of the Automotive Division of El Puerto de Liverpool, explained in an interview with THE CEO that the lack of acceptance is not a factor that affects the fulfillment of the estimates, but that the industry weighs challenges in terms of availability and delivery Of units.


Maybe in china where everything is propaganda but in Mexico in real life BYD is a failure
 

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Así les fue a las marcas de autos en México en enero de 2024
PosiciónFabricanteVentas 2024Ventas 2023Diferencia
1Nissan19,97017,14716.50%
2General Motors15,45910,42248.30%
3Grupo Volkswagen13,61510,29132.30%
4Toyota9,2648,35610.90%
5KIA8,2047,5059.30%
6Stellantis6,954-25.20%
7Mazda6,3366,591-3.90%
8Ford4,3403,35729.30%
9MG Motor4,0083,53613.30%
10Hyundai3,7653,27315.00%
11Honda3,4603,1778.90%
12Renault3,3012,80517.70%
13Suzuki3,2752,79117.30%
14Chirey2,6003,002-13.40%
15JAC1,7011,706-0.30%
16Mitsubishi1,5351,07942.30%
17BMW Group1,2361,334-7.30%
18Mercedes-Benz88376914.80%
19Motornation82050462.70%
20Subaru322336-4.20%
21Volvo3063040.70%
22Lexus22916241.40%
23Land Rover12247159.60%
24Lincoln11610411.50%
25Infiniti1015777.20%
26Isuzu90900.00%
27Acura77105-26.70%
28Jaguar11922.20%

reality no the chinese brands are not the top option

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"Last year, 25% of all vehicles sold in Mexico were sourced in China," Farley said. "The world is changing."


 

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This also means that coupled with a rapidly falling TFR well below replacement levels already , the Chinese could well see < 30% of their population above the age of 60 by 2030 with all the attendant repercussions including a sliding economy , falling growth & consumption .

Hence the Taiwan invasion is coming by 2030 or earlier. No two questions about it . For the window of opportunity is fast closing for the CCP to undertake anything adventurous after this time window .
 

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This also means that coupled with a rapidly falling TFR well below replacement levels already , the Chinese could well see < 30% of their population above the age of 60 by 2030 with all the attendant repercussions including a sliding economy , falling growth & consumption .

Hence the Taiwan invasion is coming by 2030 or earlier. No two questions about it . For the window of opportunity is fast closing for the CCP to undertake anything adventurous after this time window .
Chinese numbers, almost certain the current % population of 60+ years is higher than admitted

The Chinese gloat they have time on their side, it's such a stupid cope 🤭
 

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Chinese numbers, almost certain the current % population of 60+ years is higher than admitted
Goes without saying.

*A correction -

I meant > 30% of their population would be 60+ by the beginning of the next decade. Could be upto 35% or more.
 

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